PakMan Starting Lineup 55 Posts user info edit post |
watch this video....its spreading on the interent really fast, and alot of people are happy that at least someone has their head on right.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html 8/12/2006 12:33:33 PM
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Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
sounds like you just copied and pasted an email forward
so [no] 8/12/2006 12:34:12 PM
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RhoIsWar1096 All American 3857 Posts user info edit post |
I didn't watch it, but I'm guessing Soap Box? 8/12/2006 12:37:03 PM
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PakMan Starting Lineup 55 Posts user info edit post |
its a great video interview with a guy talking about the Israel and Lebanon war, This guy definetly knows what hes talking about. 8/12/2006 12:38:48 PM
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RhoIsWar1096 All American 3857 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, I'm watching it now. He's right. I love how he attacks the station's reporting methods and bias. And talks about how the chief broadcaster is old enough to know certain things. 8/12/2006 12:43:38 PM
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okydoky All American 5516 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""they are gettin a bloody good hidin" |
LOLers 8/12/2006 12:50:42 PM
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FanatiK All American 4248 Posts user info edit post |
dude pwnt her 8/12/2006 12:53:01 PM
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RhoIsWar1096 All American 3857 Posts user info edit post |
AND her news station. And pretty much all of the western war. 8/12/2006 12:54:32 PM
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trikk311 All American 2793 Posts user info edit post |
old dude ... old ...and he is an idiot...he has no idea what he is talkin about 8/12/2006 12:58:28 PM
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PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
he seems pretty confident, and i cant really argue with anything he says
is sky news a reputable news source? 8/12/2006 1:13:33 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
immediately after the declaration of independence of israel, lebanan, egypt, syria, iraq and jordan invaded from every side (they fucking hate jews). israel kicked their teeth in and then proceded to occupy some of their territory to ensure a secure border...
as far as i'm concerned thats when the fuckers decided to pick a fight and they've been getting their ali asses spanked ever since... end of story 8/12/2006 1:15:34 PM
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trikk311 All American 2793 Posts user info edit post |
^ that is correct sir... 8/12/2006 1:16:48 PM
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PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
so if somebody comes in and takes over your land that you've been on forever, you wouldn't fight back?
they've been gettin their ali asses kicked? they sure put up a damn good fight with rocks and stones and handmade missles compared to the military superpower that is Israel... just something to think about... 8/12/2006 1:29:17 PM
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trikk311 All American 2793 Posts user info edit post |
^ha...oh yeah...all those rocks and sticks that they get from iran and russia and china...those really suck
and the arabs havent been on it forever...dont start this argument...no one can win it...because no matter how far back you go the other person can go back further...so what else you got? 8/12/2006 1:31:20 PM
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PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
they obviously do suck, they have no range whatsoever. Compare that to Israel's weapons that have the range to target any city in the middle east. i know you are not going to sit there and argue that they are not at a disadvantage when it comes to weapons and resources. Isreali soldiers are infiltrating Lebanon with tanks, Apache helicopters, etc
The only difference in this war is that these Islamic fundamentalists are not afraid to die. If a man has no fear of death, you cannot beat him in any war, as one dies, more are spawned, this battle is going to go on for years to come... 8/12/2006 1:36:37 PM
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trikk311 All American 2793 Posts user info edit post |
it is in fact going to go on for years to come...why? because the muslims are obsessed with killing the infidels. and in doing so martyrdom is better than victory ... so the muslims will continue to fight no matter what. the only way to finish this seems to be allowing israel to wipe them all out. 8/12/2006 1:38:52 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
the jews would rather live and make money... unfortunately they have hateful, suicidal neighbors 8/12/2006 1:40:26 PM
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PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
they fight to get their land back. you think they would keep fighting just to keep killing people? How is Israel's killing of thousands of innocent civilians over the course of the last few years any more justified?
Obviously you feel one way, and i feel another, but take a step back and try to look at it from the other persons side, might just change your view on things. Im not trying to argue that one side is right, both sides are commiting serious crimes against humanity, we just can't stand up here and take the side of one, while blindly ignoring the facts 8/12/2006 1:42:56 PM
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hcnguyen Suspended 4297 Posts user info edit post |
its funny the person said independence like israel was just a bunch of jews there and got their own government. they did move there from random places in europe and start a country on jordans land as hi233 taught me. and you also act like israel beat them because they were superior. israel has basically always been the us military. even lavopa said it was never fair from the start.
the man in the video has a point
[Edited on August 12, 2006 at 1:46 PM. Reason : they got a free country because of the holocaust] 8/12/2006 1:45:22 PM
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trikk311 All American 2793 Posts user info edit post |
hey man...i know both sides...i got it down...im fully aware of whats going on
and israel is doing exactly the right thing...they have insane, religeous fundamentalist, suicidal, neighbors who want them wiped off the planet...they should and will keep doing what they are doing
Quote : | "they got a free country because of the holocaust" |
we know...so what...they are there now...and they are our allies...if they put thier guns down...they will all die...more power to israel
[Edited on August 12, 2006 at 1:48 PM. Reason : asdf] 8/12/2006 1:47:00 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
even if the muslims had a claim to the land way back when, they're fucking their people over now by keeping this shit up...
i mean, we never relinquished ownership of cuba as far as i know, and we let that go
they really should do a cost/benefit analysis... is it worth thousands of lives to try to destroy a nation that has been there since the 50's and is obviously superior financially, militarily and culturally?
especially when its obviously a losing battle... not smart
and flip the script... lets say the arabs win... where the fuck is israel supposed to go? 8/12/2006 1:53:27 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
hey, maybe cuba can become 'new israel' ...then it wouldn't be such a shithole 8/12/2006 2:02:24 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
and eastern europe should prolly take back constantinople while we're making land claims... hagia sophia was much nicer as a christian church anyway... 8/12/2006 2:06:15 PM
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PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
the problem is that its not the fact that they just need land. the problem is that the muslims feel as though they have a religious right to that land, as do the jews, as do some chritians. your comparison of the US-Cuba relationship didn't involve religion.
as for trikk311 please get your story straight
first when you talk about muslims you suggest
Quote : | "the only way to finish this seems to be allowing israel to wipe them all out." |
which you claim to be an okay plan of action
but then when talking about Israel, you put negative connotation to the muslims wanting to wipe out the Israeli's
Quote : | "and israel is doing exactly the right thing...they have insane, religeous fundamentalist, suicidal, neighbors who want them wiped off the planet..." |
like i said earlier, look at it from both sides, try to see things with an unbiased view, and you might see things differently 8/12/2006 2:24:59 PM
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trikk311 All American 2793 Posts user info edit post |
ok...how about you get your head out of your butt and get your story straight
if israel puts down thier guns...they will all die...if the muslims put down thier guns...everything will be fine....thats a fact
try to look at it from both sides... 8/12/2006 2:27:33 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
so where are the jews supposed to go? 8/12/2006 2:28:00 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
and the llama has a religious claim to tibet, but you don't see him strapping on boomsticks and hopping the bus... 8/12/2006 2:37:47 PM
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jackleg All American 170948 Posts user info edit post |
pakistan man 8/12/2006 2:39:07 PM
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PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
what does that have to do with getting my story straight? and how is all of this fact, its all an assumption.
I didn't say shit about either side putting their guns down, nor did i make any mention of giving the land back... I do however believe that something has to be worked out there
everything you have brought up, ive given you a rebuttle, you just keep bringing up new things and making assumptions
this discussion was started based on the video and the war that is currently going on, keep it there 8/12/2006 2:40:06 PM
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PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
as for the "llama," his religious belief is non violence. You have to realize that we are dealing with a faith that resorts to violence in the name of God. Though I may not agree with this view, this is what we are facing 8/12/2006 2:41:21 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
i think the point is... things CAN'T be worked out (short of total annihilation) if one side of the fight insists on complete removal of the other from the area... and you can't say thats not what they want... they tried to do it in the fifties... do you really think they'll ever agree to earnestly accept jews as their neighbors? 8/12/2006 2:43:56 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
the jews are between a rock and an insane-bomby-place... where do they go? do they protect their borders? how the hell could they possibly give lebanan what it wants?
how about i give you a similar ultimatum: your house is on the grave of my ancestors, move to siberia or i'll blow up your children... deal? 8/12/2006 2:47:57 PM
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Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "and you also act like israel beat them because they were superior. israel has basically always been the us military. even lavopa said it was never fair from the start. " |
They have been MASSIVELY outgunned in all of their conflicts previous to '78, check the numbers. They had US support, but nothing close to the manpower, artillery and heavy munitions of Egypt and Iran.
As for a free country because of the holocaust, not really, though it certainly was a driving force. 8/12/2006 2:50:53 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
oh yeah, and i also don't think you have the right to live because of your religion 8/12/2006 2:50:56 PM
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joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "the jews would rather live and make money... unfortunately they have hateful, suicidal neighbors" |
poor misunderstood jews.
those israelis never did nothin to no one, nohow. 8/12/2006 2:53:07 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
cause you would have lay down and died 8/12/2006 2:54:20 PM
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trikk311 All American 2793 Posts user info edit post |
what does what i said have to do with getting my story straght?? talkin to you is absurd...its *like we are having two different conversations...
im not assuming anything...the stated objective of organizations like hamas and hezbollah is wipe the zionist infidels off the planet....keep up...
like i said...if israel puts down thier guns...they will get wiped out...but if the arabs stop shooting off missles then everything will be fine
that IS looking at it from both sides
[Edited on August 12, 2006 at 2:58 PM. Reason : asdf] 8/12/2006 2:54:56 PM
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joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "mckoonts: how about i give you a similar ultimatum: your house is on the grave of my ancestors, move to siberia or i'll blow up your children... deal? " |
you fucking retard, that is the justification that ISRAEL gave the Palastinians when they forcefully kicked the palastinians off the land they were living on and had been in their families for hundreds of years.
it was then ISRAELIS who, in the 1940s, 1960s and today who said, "GOD gave this land to us 3000 years ago. we hadn't been here since the Roman Emporer Hadrian gave our ancestors the boot 2000 years ago, but you Palastinians need to fuck off anyhow and leave now.
but theres just no excuse for the Palastinians for wanting to get their parent's land back. 8/12/2006 3:20:15 PM
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smcrawff Suspended 1371 Posts user info edit post |
the jews stole that land fair and square 8/12/2006 3:42:00 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
god didn't give it to them the BRITISH did 1947
the jews are there why does it matter if the muslims claim it? they HAVE to live together 8/12/2006 3:46:13 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
and i'll amend it for joe:
Quote : | " how about i give you a similar ultimatum: your house is on the grave of my ancestors, move to siberia or i'll blow up your children... deal? (despite the fact the you think you should be there too)
oh yeah, and i also don't think you have the right to live because of your religion " |
happy? 8/12/2006 3:54:00 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
maybe that is similar to what the british did, 100 years ago... doesn't make it right, but all those bastards are dead and the jews living there now are dealing with the nastiest of all creatures: fundamentalist muslim nutjobs 8/12/2006 3:56:15 PM
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smcrawff Suspended 1371 Posts user info edit post |
The brits should have known that colonialsim was wrong by 1947 8/12/2006 4:00:32 PM
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joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
mckoonts ... you and logic dont get along very well, do you? 8/12/2006 4:07:08 PM
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synapse play so hard 60927 Posts user info edit post |
.....spreading on the internet really fast? cause he gets on there and screams and yells and calls the woman silly and doesn't even answer the questions asked of him? he's a mouthpiece. its not like he brings a fresh and intelligent viewpoints, its the same thing we've heard time and time again. I'm not saying everything he says is wrong, because he's dead right on some points. but its not like we havent heard those points before. 8/12/2006 4:12:23 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
logic has nothing to do with ethnic and religious groups claiming territory...
the point is, they're there... and telling them they shouldn't be is a day late and a solution short
what the hell can they do about it? 8/12/2006 4:33:43 PM
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joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
^^ huh? ![](images/crack.gif) 8/12/2006 4:35:55 PM
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
don't get me wrong, jews aren't my favorite people... but you've gotta admit, they don't really have any other choice do they? 8/12/2006 4:40:36 PM
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joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, i hate jews as much as the next guy... but hey, you know...
ya can't live with 'em, ya can't line 'em up and shoot 'em.
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mckoonts All American 3938 Posts user info edit post |
i knew that'd get ya going
but you really haven't disagreed with me have you? 8/12/2006 4:48:51 PM
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