ok here are what i believe are each of the qb's 2 best seasons and their passing/rushing stats. just look at the 4 sets and tell me which ones look better.


hell, even if you pick out vick's 2 seasons as being the best two, by either looking up his stats and matching them or genuinely thinking they are better, the fact remains that he is comparable to kordell stewart. that in itself is enough proof that vick is not the god among men that so many people make him out to be.

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                                 Season One
PASSING:
Att 	Comp 	Pct 	Yards 	YPA 	Lg 	TD 	Int 	Tkld 	20+ 	40+ 	Rate
387	214	55.3	2412	6.23	58	15	13	33/201	27	3	73.1

RUSHING:
Att 	Yards 	Avg 	Lg 	TD 	20+ 	FD
102	597	5.9	32	6	5	41

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                                 Season Two
PASSING:
Att 	Comp 	Pct 	Yards 	YPA 	Lg 	TD 	Int 	Tkld 	20+ 	40+ 	Rate
442	266	60.2	3109	7.03	90	14	11	29/175	44	6	81.7

RUSHING:
Att 	Yards 	Avg 	Lg 	TD 	20+ 	FD
96	537	5.6	48	5	5	33


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                                 Season Three
PASSING:
Att 	Comp 	Pct 	Yards 	YPA 	Lg 	TD 	Int 	Tkld 	20+ 	40+ 	Rate
421	231	54.9	2936	6.97	74	16	8	33/206	44	8	81.6

RUSHING:
Att 	Yards 	Avg 	Lg 	TD 	20+ 	FD
113	777	6.9	46	8	10	44

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                                 Season Four
PASSING:
Att 	Comp 	Pct 	Yards 	YPA 	Lg 	TD 	Int 	Tkld 	20+ 	40+ 	Rate
440	236	53.6	3020	6.86	69	21	17	20/152	40	10	75.2

RUSHING:
Att 	Yards 	Avg 	Lg 	TD 	20+ 	FD
88	476	5.4	74	11	3	43

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8/18/2006 1:44:50 PM

I'M NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS NONSENSE

8/18/2006 1:53:00 PM

because you can't dispute it?

8/18/2006 1:56:42 PM

I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!

8/18/2006 1:59:55 PM

wait, are those vick's numbers, or kordell's numbers?

It would be better if we had both.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 2:06 PM. Reason : oh I get it, you want us to pick out which belong to who]

8/18/2006 2:04:49 PM

NEGRO QUARTERBACKS IS BAD

GILP GILP GILP

TEXAS

8/18/2006 2:08:33 PM

no, he wants us to pick which are best so he can tell us that they are kordell's, or one is kordell's and one is mike's.

but i agree, vick is not all that good

8/18/2006 2:08:38 PM

im just tryna understand where this comes from

i think panthers fan hate vick the most

i wonder

8/18/2006 2:09:38 PM

I know season 3 is Vick's

8/18/2006 2:10:27 PM

i'd say 2 and 4 are the best

8/18/2006 2:11:18 PM

kordell stewart and i share a birthday

8/18/2006 2:11:34 PM

I don't hate vick. I hate his completely undeserved media attention.

8/18/2006 2:12:31 PM

Quote :

"i think panthers fan hate vick the most i wonder"

yeah probably because he whooped our asses every time he played us until last season

i would love to have him though...he'd be a good backup for Deshaun Foster

8/18/2006 2:13:35 PM

gg

8/18/2006 2:16:31 PM

Michael Vick is extremely overrated = this is not news. And I actually like the Falcons.

8/18/2006 2:18:39 PM

vick inspired playmaker control in madden

PLAYMAKER

CONTROL

need i say more

8/18/2006 2:21:21 PM

he also inspired all those running QBs who do that gay shit every time you play them online in madden

8/18/2006 2:23:08 PM

3's the best.

8/18/2006 2:28:32 PM

3>2>4>1.

8/18/2006 2:36:44 PM

vince young will either have to make a significant shift towards being a pocket passer or flop in the nfl. how bout them apples.

8/18/2006 2:44:30 PM

really?

i thought 4 was the best of the bunch.

21 passing TD's, 11 rushing?

the 17 INT's suck, but 32 TD's is nothing to scoff at, not to mention 3500 combined yards and 43 first downs off of runs.

8/18/2006 2:44:49 PM

3 has 24 touches and only 8 ints 3:1 is by far the best ratio.....ask any coach, turnovers are the debil.

8/18/2006 2:47:58 PM

add in 5 fumbles to 3, 3 fumbles to 4, 4 fumbles to 2, 5 fumbles to 1

8/18/2006 2:53:23 PM

3's still got a way better ratio

8/18/2006 2:55:43 PM

is 3 vick's nfc championship appearance?

8/18/2006 2:56:54 PM

Stats are for losers. I don't even like Vick that much and I certainly don't think he deserves the knob slobbing he gets from ESPN, but to compare Kordell Stewart and Mike Vick is insane. At the very least Mike Vick brings that playmaking ability to the table where at any time he can break out for a big run. That keeps defenses honest and opens the offense up to some of the other players with him, beit receivers or RBs or whatever.

8/18/2006 2:57:26 PM

it's a better ratio but not way better

it's basically 2:1 vs 1.5:1

that looks better on paper, but we're talking about a difference of 8 TD's here as well. that's 48 points.

anyway

season one: vick 2002 year
season two: kordell 2001 year
season three: vick 2005 year
season four: kordell 1997 year

i'd rank the seasons:

3=4>2>1

^how long have you been watching football? kordell brought that same thing to the table. look at the rushing numbers for both players. look how many first downs each ran for. holy shit they're pretty similar!

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 3:01 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2006 2:59:45 PM

^^I think Vick is better, but Stewart brought the threat of the run too. If Vick wasnt' stuck in the WC off. he would be much better. This will be Mora's last year.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 3:01 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2006 3:00:53 PM

how far did Stewart get in those two years? B/c in the end that's what really matters.....He got 'em deep in the playoffs one year, right?

8/18/2006 3:02:51 PM

hey, vick definitely still has a chance to change things. he's still around and kordell is long gone.

vick certainly isn't worth what they pay him in atlanta though. i sure as hell wouldn't want him as my team's QB. kordell couldnt get it done in pittsburgh, and vick isn't gettin it done in atlanta yet either.

the problem with vick though, is that there is a better qb sitting on the bench that won't see the field until vick gets one of his inevitable injuries.

^afc championship in 2001 and 1997. lost to new england in 01 and denver in 97, both by a TD or less, and both teams they lost to went on to win the super bowl.

another thing to point out is that vick plays in the NFC

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 3:06 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2006 3:03:12 PM

Shaub would be better for the WC off. if Vick was put in an off. like Martz used to run in STL, with downfield passing and a good rec. he would go off.

8/18/2006 3:06:03 PM

defintely. that's the worst part about it. vick could most definitely be a servicable quarterback if they used him right. he has a strong arm, but he doesn't have very good accuracy at all. he'd be much better off launching bomb passes all day rather than missing a WR on a 6 yard out pattern.

get 5 WR's out there, stack one side of the field. if he can't find anyone to throw to, he can run the other way with less guys to stop him at least.

i honeslty think i could do a better job utilizing vick than the falcons do. however, my point still remains that vick is not a very good quarterback. he has yet to intimidate anyone with his arm, and right now i see no reason for defenses to not put 8 or 9 guys in the box all day and force him to throw.

8/18/2006 3:10:24 PM

the problem with alot of coaches in the nfl is that they try to adapt players to a system instead of adapting the system to the players....in my personal opinion this is why most college coaches don't do well in the nfl, they're used to hand picking players that fit their system in college, but you can't really do that in the NFL.

8/18/2006 3:13:39 PM

Quote :

"i would love to have him though...he'd be a good backup for Deshaun Foster"

8/18/2006 3:17:54 PM

me and my buddy were talking about how atlanta would be scary if they lined up vick and schaub as split backs

course if vick got the snap its kinda like 11-10 cause schaub wouldnt be a threat for any screen passes or anything

8/18/2006 3:18:33 PM

Atl, has so much texa$ invested in Vick that he'll always be the starter by default while he's there and healthy.....I wouldn't mind seeing the panthers go after shaub when he's a FA. He'd be a good replacement for Delhomme in a few years.

8/18/2006 3:30:03 PM

Quote :

"vick inspired playmaker control in madden PLAYMAKER CONTROL need i say more"

he also inspired QB vision

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 4:06 PM. Reason : fdsj]

8/18/2006 4:05:23 PM

i'd like to see Vick as a reciever. He obviously has great speed and the ability to make people miss. If he can do that in the secondary it's big yardage if not a TD. He would be a big reciever (physically), which a lot of db's have difficulty with. Plus defenses would always have to watch for the reverse and the pass option. He's a good QB, but not great.

8/18/2006 4:24:54 PM

Quote :

"I wouldn't mind seeing the panthers go after shaub when he's a FA. He'd be a good replacement for Delhomme in a few years."

Hell, he might be a good replacement for Delhomme now, he is more mobile and seems a lot smarter (he would almost have to be smarter than Delhomme )

8/18/2006 4:32:51 PM

Quote :

"but to compare Kordell Stewart and Mike Vick is insane"

but Kordell could play every position on both sides of the ball / hehehe

8/18/2006 7:56:16 PM

Quote :

"vick certainly isn't worth what they pay him in atlanta though."

Sure he is. He sells out every game just by himself.

8/18/2006 8:31:21 PM

Quote :

"He would be a big reciever (physically), "

yeah right, hes barely 6 foot and maybe 200 pounds with all his shit on

Average size at best

8/20/2006 12:53:23 AM

i have read none of this thread but the title... all i will say is he runs a 4.2 40 yard dash and reps 270 on the bench----nuff said

8/20/2006 2:48:46 AM

fuck Vick

he's a running back

8/20/2006 2:52:49 AM

i approve this thread

8/20/2006 3:03:15 AM

the dude abides

8/20/2006 3:14:30 AM

KS is pretty decent... I dunno why some other team doesn't pick him up and play him... there are a lot of teams with not very good qb's...

8/20/2006 3:47:43 AM

it's not cuz he's black, it's cuz he's simply shown nothing but flashes of greatness.

imagine if Jordan only went off once every 80 games, but was always getting hurt and never being able to finish

or if Babe Ruth struck out 100 times for every home run.


if Vick was consistent, then there'd be no shadow of a doubt, he'd be great. But he's not, so he's relegated to internet analysts trashing him while espn douches pitch tents in his anus.

8/20/2006 9:45:00 AM

Get off of his dick.....

8/20/2006 10:17:42 AM

Quote :

"yeah right, hes barely 6 foot and maybe 200 pounds with all his shit on Average size at best"

He's listed at 6' 215. Height he's not that big compared to other receivers, but weight wise he is bigger than average and he's probably stronger than the average receiver.

The avg. receiver according to nfl.com is around 6'0 192, and about the same for corners. That gives him no advantage or disadvantage height wise, but 23 pounds on them. 23lbs is a good difference. And makes him bigger than average. Factor that in with his speed, agility, ability to run, and overall athleticism and Vick would make a good receiver (on paper)... assuming he can catch.

8/20/2006 2:53:44 PM