is gayer than a pink fanny-pack full of dicks.

I hate it.

You can turn it "off", but it basically just feels "less draconian" rather than "off" or "not intrusive" on that setting.

even on the "off" setting, it doesn't allow for anywhere near enough wheelspin or chassis rotation, and worst of all, when it retards the power to reign things in, there is lag in reintroducing the power...so if you get too sporty for the DSC's tastes, it puts the car in limp-wrist mode for what must be a full couple of seconds after you ease up on the throttle, thereby making you slower than if you'd never gotten aggressive with it at all.

it really punishes you for trying to accelerate hard out of a corner...i think i might have to try experimenting with going in really hot and trail braking it.

i'm cool with it on a moderate to fast sweeper, but in a tight corner, it infuriates me.


is it just me? am I too hamfisted (i think i got myself into the outlaw sprint car method of going fast when I had that turbo miata)? is there a way to fully (or at least further) disable it? does it really suck as much as I think it does?

10/5/2006 7:04:56 PM

Is there a seperate traction control setting?

10/5/2006 7:08:14 PM

not that i see

but i haven't really read through the manual in detail yet

but yeah, that would be a huge step in the right direction

10/5/2006 7:11:53 PM

i thought it was:

press once: relaxed setting
press & hold for five seconds: disabled

10/5/2006 7:19:01 PM

ahhhhh...

that's a good piece of info. i'll have to try it out.

honestly, i don't see any need for anything more conservative than the "relaxed" setting. even on the relaxed setting, you'd have to fuck up so severely to get into trouble that no amount of DSC would've saved your dumb ass.

10/5/2006 7:24:54 PM

dsc you need to hold for 10 sec to be completely off

10/5/2006 7:36:53 PM

^thats what I was gonna say. You need to hold the button down a lot longer Duke.

When I autoxed brand new Z4s a few years back I definitely got the DSC entirely disabled, hehehe.

10/5/2006 8:21:54 PM

^^^ setting on a corvette is similiar to that, so def try that. although with the corvette it's kind of backwards from that..press once to disable traction control and active handling but press/hold to just disable traction control which they call "competitive mode"

10/6/2006 1:42:50 PM

Will the light change in any way to tell you the DSC is fully disabled?

10/6/2006 3:13:42 PM

yeah, the DSC light comes on when you go to "relaxed" mode, and the emergency brake lights up in amber (vice red) when you disable DSC and traction control completely.

and yeah, i haven't had a chance to really hammer on it yet, but i kicked the tail out once...holding the button seems to be just the ticket.

10/6/2006 6:03:51 PM

Quote :

"is gayer than a pink fanny-pack full of dicks"

haha

10/6/2006 7:44:16 PM

Quote :

"and yeah, i haven't had a chance to really hammer on it yet, but i kicked the tail out once"

Typical BMW owner, doesn't read the fucking manual and gets online to bitch about how shitty the car is. On top of that........are you talking about the E46 in your gallery? Good luck putting down the "hammer" with that monster 200hp beast.

People are so fucking stupid.

10/8/2006 9:46:00 PM

wait for it....

10/8/2006 10:02:16 PM

Quote :

"Typical BMW owner"

damn duke, i think you need to make a trip up to raleigh to hand out some ass whoopins

10/8/2006 10:28:16 PM

Typical fat fuck that works on them, but can't afford them. Go back to playing with POS 5.0.

Quote :

"Typical BMW owner, doesn't read the fucking manual and gets online to bitch about how shitty the car is. On top of that........are you talking about the E46 in your gallery? Good luck putting down the "hammer" with that monster 200hp beast. People are so fucking stupid."

10/8/2006 10:39:55 PM

Quote :

"Typical fat fuck that works on them, but can't afford them. Go back to playing with POS 5.0."

Ah, another typical BMW owner........one whos fellow owner and friend gets told how stupid they are, so they join in on the topic. What was it, the typical BMW owner comment? All of you stupid fucks are just alike. And you Scotty think your car is the shit, because all of these faggets on TWW swing from your nuts. And I don't think we have met before, but you can call me that in person and I will personally make your fluffy headed fagget ass a hood ornament on your shitbox BMW.

BTW, I sold the POS 5.0 2 years ago. I would have wiped you clean off the road with that POS car too, but if I remember right you didn't want to race me?

Oh yeah.........I work on them, and I don't own one because I don't want to fit into the stereotype of all you fagget, collar popping, mommy and daddy car buying queers. I am sure dookie866 probably bought his own car, but the majority of you were handed your cars.

Threads like this make you stupid fucks shine.

10/8/2006 10:52:50 PM

HAHA i didnt want to race you? I asked you multiple times, and your fat ass never responded or came out. I have met you before, and your old FAT ass isn't gonna do shit to me. Internet threats? YOU'RE coooooool!!!


Just because you can't buy a nice car, don't think I can't.

10/8/2006 11:02:58 PM

is diggler the guy that didnt go to college?

10/8/2006 11:08:19 PM

assdigger does sound pretty fuckin uneducated

but back to duke, we are talkin about a guy who changed his speedo to kilometers and thought it jumped up 30k miles, technology is too damned complicated

10/8/2006 11:19:27 PM

Quote :

"Just because you can't buy a nice car, don't think I can't. "

that's classy Christopher

10/8/2006 11:23:58 PM

thanks rorke.

10/8/2006 11:25:48 PM

I'm pretty sure Duke doesn't own that BMW, so why the fuck would he read the manual?

10/9/2006 1:58:12 AM

Duke has had a turbo'd miata and supercharged S2000... sorry but he isn't the "typical BMW owner" and admitted he hadnt had time to finish reading the manual yet.

10/9/2006 2:01:13 AM

Once you have driven (I was the passenger though) 120 kilometers down a fully snow/ice covered Autobahn, then another 30 kilometers on 2 lane roads, at speeds ranging from 35-65 mph, in an M roadster (with snow tires), you begin to appreciate why the traction control is there.

It isn't to save your ass when you try to shred a turn in sunny Florida, it's when you try to pull out of the snow plowed "lane" into the car plowed "lane" to pass some Citroen and you would rather not go spinning out of control trying to do it.

10/9/2006 9:55:27 AM

i love the niggers who "hate traction control"


got damn, a real driver would know how to drive with it on.

10/9/2006 10:25:22 AM

Complaining that a grocery getter isn't the race car you wish it was is just dumb. Go get on your crotch rocket if you want your thrills or buy another souped up something else. But stop the ghey bullshit. It's a fucking 330, not a GTR.

10/9/2006 10:49:48 AM

Quote :

"got damn, a real driver would know how to drive with it on."

HA!

10/9/2006 2:36:27 PM

Quote :

"Typical BMW owner, doesn't read the fucking manual and gets online to bitch about how shitty the car is. On top of that........are you talking about the E46 in your gallery? Good luck putting down the "hammer" with that monster 200hp beast. People are so fucking stupid."

dude, i work like 60-80 hours per week, and I just had a my first baby (with an ex-gf) a week ago. I have not had time to devote to figuring out how the DSC in my car is rigged up.

and i think it's like 225 or 235 hp or something. no, it's not fast--i bought it because i wasn't getting any use out of having a fast car, and decided to get something a little more practical and "family" oriented.

Quote :

"damn duke, i think you need to make a trip up to raleigh to hand out some ass whoopins "

Thanksgiving. If you want or need an ass-whoopin', I'm now taking reservations.

Quote :

"but back to duke, we are talkin about a guy who changed his speedo to kilometers and thought it jumped up 30k miles, technology is too damned complicated"

haha, true. i'm not generally a fan of a lot of the gadgetry on cars. i hate that stupid passenger-side mirror auto-tilt when you put it in reverse (thankfully figured out how to disable that). stability control is ok sometimes, but kinda gay more often than now. i don't like it when cars their doors at any other time than when I tell them too. I don't like it when the stereo turns up the volume on its own when I speed up. I don't like automatic transmissions. I'd never pay for airbags if they weren't federally mandated.

I like stupid cars.

Quote :

"I'm pretty sure Duke doesn't own that BMW, so why the fuck would he read the manual? "

nope, it's mine. S2000 is gone.

Quote :

"i love the niggers who "hate traction control" got damn, a real driver would know how to drive with it on. "

nah dude, it's bad. if you break traction, it kills your power BIG TIME, and it takes a couple of seconds to come back. you can never flirt with the limits of adhesion if the DSC is on--you'll only end up slowing yourself down.

Quote :

"Complaining that a grocery getter isn't the race car you wish it was is just dumb. Go get on your crotch rocket if you want your thrills or buy another souped up something else. But stop the ghey bullshit. It's a fucking 330, not a GTR."

No, i knew exactly what I was getting when I bought it. My dad has prob owned about a half dozen BMWs (he trades cars more than I do, I think), including a 330i, optioned exactly like mine (except for auto trans, and sedan of course). I knew it wasn't going to be a hot rod, and that's fine. It has enough performance to keep me entertained for a little while. I wasn't getting to really use the performance of my old car, and decided that, for the time being, i'd rather have a trunk, a backseat, and a quiet, smooth ride.

but that DSC fucking sucks.

10/9/2006 6:59:51 PM

haha, Duke a typical bmw driver, haha. that's about like optmusprimer being a typical one too.

though, gg to Diggler for calling the rest of them out.

10/9/2006 7:09:28 PM

yeah really

i love my 540i, but i think i am gonna sell it.

10/9/2006 10:27:05 PM

Damn this thread is funny.

Duke, hollar at me and Greg when you come up for Thanksgiving and we'll go shoot something brown and furry.

10/10/2006 11:25:40 AM

Quote :

" i hate that stupid passenger-side mirror auto-tilt when you put it in reverse (thankfully figured out how to disable that). "

how do you do that? it is annoying as fuck.

10/10/2006 11:52:35 AM

its useful half the time, i dont see how it would annoy you.

10/10/2006 12:33:28 PM

^^you know the cooley hat type switch that you adjust your mirror tilt with? you know the selector switch beside it that you choose which mirror to adjust with? you put that selector switch towards the passenger side (or maybe it's driver side, but i think it's passenger) and it disables the auto-tilt thing.

^it's good for parallel parking, backing into a spot tight against a curb, etc...but it sucks for just generally backing up.

10/10/2006 12:38:35 PM

Duke, WTF man. You have a kid AND buy a Beamer and don't bother to tell me? Asshole!

10/10/2006 1:05:27 PM

^^awesome, never thought to try that.

10/10/2006 4:39:18 PM

I have never been successful at fully shutting off DSTC on my Volvo S60R. I gave up after awhile -- here is the procedure (completely rediculous)

http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/A_100330/newsarticle.html

Quote :

" Switching off DSTC When the road is right, sometimes the driver wants full control, and the S60 R and V70 R give the driver that option. DSTC can be disabled either partially or fully. With DSTC partially disabled, the stability system remains active but will allow more oversteer - up to approximately 10 degrees - before politely assisting the driver without intruding. With DSTC fully disabled, the safety system is shut down. The car will not correct itself from a slide. In this DSTC setting, the driver is in control and any mistakes will not be corrected by DSTC. To fully disable DSTC, the car must be stationary and the DSTC button must be pressed five times in succession within a certain time and frequency. It may require several attempts before DSTC is fully disabled. The system is purposefully designed not to be disabled by mistake. "

And then if you disable DSTC successfully, it will come back on next time you start the car.

10/11/2006 12:36:47 AM

Quote :

"...before politely assisting the driver without intruding."

Hahahah

Anyways, I'm somewhat with Duke on this one. I like simple cars...one thing I like about my S2000 is that even though it's a pretty advanced car (for MY2000 anyways) it has a very simple interior, no traction control, no autolocking doors, etc.

I might be replacing my Civic as a DD with something truck-ish or Jeep-ish, and if I do I'll probably try to find something without power locks, power windows, etc. Less shit to deal with, less shit to break, and cheaper.

10/11/2006 7:29:10 AM

Quote :

"Thanksgiving. If you want or need an ass-whoopin', I'm now taking reservations. "

well duke your luck is turning, i shall be around and am in a nice position to give YOU an ass-whoopin

10/11/2006 9:44:49 AM

we know your big... but can you fight?

i've seen many a big fellas fall to lil guys.

10/11/2006 10:13:39 AM

lol


grape ape is so tuff

10/11/2006 10:38:10 AM

^rofl



[Edited on October 11, 2006 at 10:44 AM. Reason : .]

10/11/2006 10:43:15 AM

any of you BMWphiles know much about the rear subframe mount failure issue?

how concerned should i be? what are my options in terms of reinforcing it to prevent it from happening? the only fix i know of is from Turner Motorsports, and it is apparently a real asspain of an install.

10/18/2006 10:37:00 PM

I only checked this thread to see if you posted that you'll be back in town to stomp on that diggler guy.

10/18/2006 10:49:29 PM

man, they must pay a lot more than when I was in - you roll through cars like nobody's business

10/18/2006 11:03:08 PM

ScottyCS.......if I did meet you, you never introduced yourself as to who you were.

And for the record, I have DeadAIM so it logs my AIM shit. I made several attempts to get a hold of you, and gave you my cell number. I guess it just never worked out.

sCottYcS (4:54:19 PM): what happened to racing?
sCottYcS (4:54:29 PM): bigdane and me looked on HPJ and saw nothing
LXative (4:54:41 PM): saw nothing about what?
sCottYcS (4:54:48 PM): where u guys were meeting up
LXative (4:54:55 PM): you think i am going to post that up?
sCottYcS (4:54:59 PM): no
LXative (4:55:05 PM): we will get 20 extra douchebags haha
sCottYcS (4:55:07 PM): post where u guys hang out
LXative (4:55:18 PM): last night i was at a wedding reception
sCottYcS (4:55:24 PM): we were at grill 57 or whatever it is in garner
LXative (4:55:28 PM): so yeah i was a little drunk
LXative (4:55:34 PM): i am game tonight though
sCottYcS (4:56:06 PM): i cant tonight, ill be game next weekend fri or sat
sCottYcS (4:56:28 PM): i got a turbo 328 too that will come
LXative (4:58:18 PM): ah
LXative (4:58:22 PM): cant the turbo come play tonight
sCottYcS (4:58:29 PM): i dunno if he can
sCottYcS (4:58:31 PM): i cant though
LXative (4:58:35 PM): cool
LXative (4:58:40 PM): maybe a weeknight this week?
LXative (4:58:45 PM): for me and you?
sCottYcS (4:58:50 PM): after wed
sCottYcS (4:58:52 PM): prob
LXative (4:58:55 PM): XXX-XXXX is my cell
LXative (4:58:59 PM): my name is Darren
LXative (4:59:04 PM): you got Nextel?
sCottYcS (4:59:07 PM): nah
LXative (4:59:10 PM): ok
LXative (4:59:19 PM): if the turbo wants to play around tonight give me a call
sCottYcS (4:59:24 PM): ok
LXative (4:59:29 PM): otherwise we will set something up this week
sCottYcS (4:59:32 PM): ok
sCottYcS (4:59:34 PM): sounds good

And made the final contact between us here....

LXative (1:47:18 PM): hit up the cell if you want to race later........i will be around

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Auto response from sCottYcS (1:47:18 PM): Forumula Fucking One!!!!!!!

Who cares anyways, the 5.0 would have beaten your car......wouldn't have proved alot though. Guess the opp. for a decent video was lost though.

11/20/2006 9:04:54 PM

2 fast

11/20/2006 9:19:07 PM

moderately furious

11/20/2006 10:45:10 PM

11/20/2006 11:47:07 PM

/\ east durham represent

11/20/2006 11:47:37 PM