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"Americans trust the Democrats than the GOP on moral values and the war on terror. Fully 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win control of Congress next month, including 10 percent of Republicans, compared to just 35 percent who want the GOP to retain power. If the election were held today, 51 percent of likely voters would vote for the Democrat in their district versus 39 percent who would vote for the Republican. And while the race is closer among male voters (46 percent for the Democrats vs. 42 percent for the Republicans), the Democrats lead among women voters 56 to 34 percent."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15167150/site/newsweek/

uh-oh...looks like the repugnicans have lost their terror card. They weren't playing with a full deck anyway, so good riddance to bad rubbish!

10/7/2006 10:45:04 PM

up until north korea tests their nukes tomorrow...

10/7/2006 10:52:10 PM

So are you hoping that some sort of discussion will follow or is this just another mindless "Republicans are evil" thread?

10/7/2006 10:59:24 PM

another pryderi thread!!!

10/7/2006 11:06:13 PM

^^^

Ah yeah, that'll be another nail in the GOP coffin. "Bush in Quagmire in Iraq while Failing to Stop North Korean Nuclear Program." Sound like a reasonable headline?

10/7/2006 11:08:36 PM

I don't trust the dems for reasons other than that

10/7/2006 11:25:56 PM

i trust the republicans

id rather have them than some fucking weirdo grown up hippies running the country

10/7/2006 11:29:42 PM

Democrats are anything but hippies.

If NK tests a nuke, it would be easy to spin that against Bush too, and thus further hurting the Republicans.

10/7/2006 11:41:03 PM

just like that Osama tape in 2004?

10/7/2006 11:59:14 PM

That was a reminder that the threat people thought republicans were able to do a better job against was still out there. North Korea (and/or Iran) developing nuclear weapons would be a reminder that Bush attacked the one country on his "axis of evil" that actually couldn't have developed nuclear weapons in a decade while the other two seem to be getting away with it.

3 years of dogged persuit can be understood. 5 years of failure and incompetence are a little different.

10/8/2006 12:04:40 AM

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""Republicans are evil" thread"

very good point

i'm nowhere near being republican, but it does seem like every thread in here is a republican bashing thread

10/8/2006 12:38:29 AM

It's actually a ruse to get Randy to pop up and shout either some Republican talking-point that he just heard from Bill or Rush or hear him spew some kind of anti-anything that isn't a neocon garbage. We need a good laugh in here from time to time.

10/8/2006 2:23:05 AM

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"Americans trust the Democrats. still haven't learned their lesson."

10/8/2006 11:33:12 AM

What lesson? That the Democrats will not be tough on terror? How can you learn a lesson from an even that has yet to happen (ie: dem control during the "war on terror").

10/8/2006 2:34:28 PM

The failures of the last 6 years cannot be blamed on the democrats since they haven't been in control.

10/8/2006 2:39:04 PM

nope. the Republicans have habitually fucked the dog for at least the last 4-5 years, and to some extent, a lot longer than that.

but i expect the Democrats to fuck the dog even more.

they'll all screw up foreign policy. Each side will try to enforce draconian measures where they aren't needed, and dogmatically support other things that don't warrant it. They'll all spend a metric shit ton of money--the Dems will rob us individually through the IRS to pay for it, and the GOP will just say "fuck it, put it on my tab. I'll worry about it later."

10/8/2006 2:46:07 PM

Well, if you're trying to say there are better measures we could take that don't involve throwing money at the problem, then I'll have to agree.

I doubt we agree on what those measures are, however.

[Edited on October 8, 2006 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2006 2:59:45 PM

wow

you must be a member of Optimist International

10/8/2006 3:00:25 PM

theduke has anger problems

10/8/2006 3:47:21 PM

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"the Dems will rob us individually through the IRS to pay for it"

This is a misnomer. Under the democrats you won't see less money in your paycheck, that is unless you are making a shit ton of money each year. which I doubt since you are military.

10/8/2006 4:13:47 PM

if you make more than 200,000 i would be worried about loosing some cash.

that is not you

10/8/2006 4:22:19 PM

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"dogmatically support other things that don't warrant it. "

Both parties are guilty of oversimplifying potentially meritous ideas into sound bites then dogmatically following the sound bite in place of the original idea.

10/8/2006 4:26:01 PM

At this point the nation's politics are so polarized that I really don't expect anything different from a Democratic congress then a Republican congress.

In fact, the only reason I'd want Democrats in power as opposed to Republicans is because I want the Religous right to have its current federal power reduced.

Otherwise, both parties are a complete trainwreck of incompetence.

10/8/2006 4:49:55 PM

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"This is a misnomer. Under the democrats you won't see less money in your paycheck, that is unless you are making a shit ton of money each year. which I doubt since you are military."

Stick it to the rich. Those bastards.

Why is it that people keep calling democrats socialists?

10/8/2006 7:39:29 PM

socialism of the heart

10/8/2006 7:48:05 PM

Heh, you call a socialist a democrat and count how many big throbbing neck veins start bulging.

10/8/2006 8:15:42 PM

See, I would like the religious zealots in the Republican Party to be dethroned as well. The problem is that I know the first thing the democrats are going to do is to keep spending around the same ridiculous level that it is now, but they'll levy huge taxes on the rich.
There's no way they'll wake up and fix social security with the proper cuts and/or privatization. Instead, they will institute a cut to those in the highest levels of social security (and the medium-high, which is really the democrats favorite targets) and raise the taxes on the upper-middle class by raising the taxable income limit without raising benefits to offset it. The super-rich won't have to worry about this, because most of their income isn't taxable to social security (including the wonderful lawmakers of the Congress, btw).

Even though I'm poor as hell, I don't think sticking it to the rich and semi-rich should be the answer for everything.

10/9/2006 7:11:04 AM

It's starting to look like the Democrats will be running on the "we aren't them" platform again this year.

10/9/2006 7:27:03 AM

^Well, that's kind of the only thing they got REALLY going for them.

10/9/2006 7:34:43 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/09/married.moms.ap/index.html?section=cnn_allpolitics

GOP losing married moms

10/9/2006 2:38:51 PM

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"Stick it to the rich. Those bastards. Why is it that people keep calling democrats socialists?"

I don't know. Maybe it's because the rich get rich off the backs of the working class. Also, the wealth gap in this country is getting larger, not smaller.

10/9/2006 2:57:22 PM

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"I don't know. Maybe it's because the rich get rich off the backs of the working class. Also, the wealth gap in this country is getting larger, not smaller."

Yes, you're totally right. The rich don't create jobs for people, they simply buy slaves and force them to work at those wages and people aren't ANY better off because great products are available.

You lose at life if you really think everyone getting rich does so to the detriment of others. Wealth is not a zero-sum game.

And who cares if the wealth gap is getting larger or smaller? To me, the wealth gap getting larger would only cause me any concern if the entreprenuerial gap were closing at the same time. As it is, the rich still tend to create the most jobs and products, so who gives a flying fuck?

10/9/2006 3:00:30 PM

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"As it is, the rich still tend to create the most jobs and products, so who gives a flying fuck?"

How is it possible for things to be any other way? That's like a redundant statement, or something.

I would like to see a poor person try to employ someone.

The growing gap between the rich and poor IS something to be concerned about, and is one of the signs that Marx says will come before a social uprising (I doubt it'll get that bad, but you'll see poor people start to do crazy things like voting and stuff).

10/9/2006 3:14:07 PM

lol, I like how the income gap is a sign that the people will rise up

What should we do about it?
Redistribute the wealth, so they don't have to get off their lazy asses, that's what.

It is very possible for a poor person to employ others. They have to have a product or service that people will pay for and they have to hire others and go out there and offer it. It really is a simple process. It isn't EASY, but it is possible and that is what drives wealth creation.

10/9/2006 3:19:26 PM

redistribution of wealth will will increase people's buying and saving ability thus making the rich whos money was taken richer. We arnt taking money from middle class people, we are giving it to them with free health care and other services.

how is this any less crazy than the trickle down effect? trickle up?

10/9/2006 4:51:57 PM

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"It is very possible for a poor person to employ others. They have to have a product or service that people will pay for and they have to hire others and go out there and offer it. It really is a simple process. It isn't EASY, but it is possible and that is what drives wealth creation."

It's far more complex and interwoven than you make it out to be in that paragraph. The solution isn't to redistribute the wealth.

You have to look at the reasons that people in certain levels continue to fail (social issues like access to safe neighborhoods, equality, good, fair education standards, etc.). What is your proposal, just let the gap grow?

10/9/2006 4:55:20 PM

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"The growing gap between the rich and poor IS something to be concerned about, and is one of the signs that Marx says will come before a social uprising (I doubt it'll get that bad, but you'll see poor people start to do crazy things like voting and stuff)."

have you thought that maybe part of the reason that the gap is growing is because the poor continue to NOT work or achieve while the middle and upper class continue to work to try to improve themselves

10/9/2006 5:38:41 PM

Yeah, but WHY are they continuing to not work and achieve?

10/9/2006 5:41:16 PM

you liberals and your questions

10/9/2006 6:07:28 PM

various reasons

their rims are more important than moving out of the hood

their truck and bass boat is more important than moving out of the trailer park

they don't get a good education which carries them further in life

lack of parenting

to name a few

I'm sorry, I don't think it's mine or anyone elses responsibility but their own, I have myself and my family to look after as it is... and thats without the government beating down my door to give me shit for free

see, I actually want to be rich, I don't want to be comfortable, I want to be rich

I want the big yacht, I want the pimp ass beach house, I want the mountain retreat... and I will do everything in my power thats ethical and legal to get there

too many people strive for mediocrity

[Edited on October 9, 2006 at 6:31 PM. Reason : .]

10/9/2006 6:29:24 PM

its our country, shouldnt it be our problem as well.

we shouldnt have an "its them not me" mentality.

[Edited on October 9, 2006 at 6:32 PM. Reason : and then others strive for excess which is not needed.]

10/9/2006 6:31:44 PM

why is it not needed


why do people feel like "well I don't wanna be rich, so neither should he?"


I think rich people should donate money and time to people that need it

it's the RIGHT thing to do

10/9/2006 6:35:53 PM

i trust the democrats as much as i trust the republicans

10/9/2006 6:44:27 PM

alot of people realize that having a yacht the size of a large house and multiple houses throughout the world is not helping anyone and is just a waste of space.

and I dont trust people to begin with why should I trust a rich dude is going to donate money to help people.

also this isnt a democrates vs republicans thing

10/9/2006 6:57:35 PM

well sorry, I guess we just have differences of opinion

and no it has nothing to do with pub vs dem... there are more than enough filthy rich liberals

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"alot of people realize that having a yacht the size of a large house and multiple houses throughout the world is not helping anyone and is just a waste of space. "

once again, I ask... how is it your place, or anyone elses to tell me what is and is not appropriate for me to own. Maybe I want to own the yacht for my sportfishing business.

What makes people think it's ok to tell me what I can and can't do with my money?

I wouldn't give a damn if you went out and bought a yacht or a beach house, hell, I'd be like,"congrats, that pretty nice,maybe I'll own something like that one day if I keep working".

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"and I dont trust people to begin with why should I trust a rich dude is going to donate money to help people"

and I dont trust people the government to begin with why should I trust a rich dude the government is going to donate money to help people

10/9/2006 7:19:25 PM

I dont trust the government either. This is my fundametally why im fucked up.

and if you want a yacht for your sportfishing business I think thats great its just when you buy one to lay on and float around the Atlantic is when its pointless.

10/9/2006 8:11:58 PM

I thought this quote from a dramatic TV series pretty much somes up Democrats since 2000

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"I would make fun of Democrats if they would just do something"

Democrats just like sitting on the sideline playing spectator and I think its going to keep them in minority in both houses. Sure I think they are going to pick up seats but they will not gain control.

10/9/2006 9:27:31 PM

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"I don't know. Maybe it's because the rich get rich off the backs of the working class. Also, the wealth gap in this country is getting larger, not smaller. "

I'll go out on a limb and say that FAR more people get rich through disciplined investing than through making a huge salary off "the backs of the working class".

not that making money because you have people working for you is a bad thing.

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"see, I actually want to be rich, I don't want to be comfortable, I want to be rich I want the big yacht, I want the pimp ass beach house, I want the mountain retreat... and I will do everything in my power thats ethical and legal to get there too many people strive for mediocrity"

yep, same here...and most people don't have that drive. i mean, they want to be rich, but they won't take the steps needed (work hard, save and invest instead of spend, and be willing to take calculated risks) to do it.

that's fine--working for a living and staying in the middle class isn't BAD...but i shouldn't be punished for reaching for the top.

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" and then others strive for excess which is not needed"

Need has nothing to do with it. I don't need half of the shit that I have. I could drive a Civic hatchback, live in a studio apartment, never go out to eat, etc...but no, I like fast cars, fast motorcycles, fast jet skis, nicer houses, vacations, nice restaurants, unnecessary gadgets, etc...and I only plan on those indulgences growing as I make more and more money...until I eventually have invested enough that my money is making me more money than I spend.

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"alot of people realize that having a yacht the size of a large house and multiple houses throughout the world is not helping anyone and is just a waste of space. and I dont trust people to begin with why should I trust a rich dude is going to donate money to help people."

well, look at Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, not to mention tons of other rich people.

Hell, I have a montly allotment drawn from my pay to support http://www.nurturingnetwork.org, and have done the same for other charities in the past...and I'm FAR from "rich". Once I get really rich, I'll donate a LOT of money...I just have to get to the point where my money can effectively do all the work for me before I give too much of it away.

10/9/2006 9:39:54 PM

it's easy to blame republicans / president bush for everything that goes wrong when you're an illminded puppet for the left-wing pinko media

10/10/2006 3:01:09 AM

You guys are making too big a deal about welfare. Its no longer a huge part of the democratic party's agenda. If anything, its on the religious right's agenda.

10/10/2006 3:26:38 AM