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"South Dakota, as you know, has voted to outlaw abortions unless the mother's life is in danger, which is never the case, because you can always have a C-section and do those kinds of things."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200610160007

Doesnt matter how conservative you are, you should know what an ectopic pregnancy is.
You could save somebodys life.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ectopic+pregnancy&spell=1

10/16/2006 10:24:58 PM

hahahahahahahaahahahaha

wtf is that dude on?

10/16/2006 10:27:38 PM

He's high on ignorance.

10/16/2006 10:35:32 PM

I agree that O'Reilly is an idiot

and I agree that what he said is stupid

But it bears reiterating that an infinitessimally small portion of abortions have anything to do with the mother's life being in danger

10/16/2006 10:37:19 PM

But it bears reiterating that an infinitessimally small portion of abortions have anything to do with the mother's life being in danger what Bill O'Reilly thinks about them

10/16/2006 10:38:52 PM

^^ STFU. youre an idiot

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"Ectopic pregnancies occur from 1 in every 40 to 1 in every 100 pregnancies."

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000895.htm

WHAT DOES THE NATIONAL INST OF HEALTH KNOW THAT GrumpyGOP DOESNT?

suspend him for being for being only .000001% smarter then oreily.

pwnt. go home. go kill someone with your lack of knowledge of biology.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 10:41 PM. Reason : 5]

10/16/2006 10:39:35 PM

What about babies who don't develop a heart of brain? Should the mother be forced to carry that child to term only to have it be born dead? Also, C-Sections are dangerous. anytime someone has to be cut it is serious business. So to say that a C-Section (while it may happen often) is safe, is complete bullshit.

10/16/2006 10:44:31 PM

Did you not see what GrumpyGOP said? He never even mentioned ectopic pregnanies, rather he was talking about abortions as a form of birth control in comparison to the number of abortions that are performed solely for the sake of the mother's health.

You just noobed all over yourself, and should really take some of your own advice:

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"pwnt. go home. go kill someone with your lack of knowledge of biology. comprehending at an elementary school level"

10/16/2006 10:57:23 PM

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"He never even mentioned ectopic pregnanies, rather he was talking about abortions as a form of birth control in comparison to the number of abortions that are performed solely for the sake of the mother's health. "

that's some really expensive birth control. I'm so sick of the argument about abortions being birth control. they aren't. the statistics do not support that.

10/16/2006 11:00:41 PM

What O'Reily said, whether you like him or not, stands. Our modern medical facilities are capable more often than not of preserving the life of the mother during pregnancy. A VERY small portion of pregnancies end in death for the mother. Why keep abortion just to protect that?

10/16/2006 11:01:01 PM

you are a retard

10/16/2006 11:02:56 PM

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"A VERY small portion of pregnancies end in death for the mother."

No one tell Randy that this is because of abortions. It may break his little heart

10/16/2006 11:03:48 PM

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"more often than not"

he said NEVER. learn to READ.

learn some BIOLOGY.

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"Why keep abortion just to protect that?"

You mean the slightly >1% of all pregnant mothers?

Do we really need 1 out of every 100 pregnant moms....fuck em

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:04 PM. Reason : r]

10/16/2006 11:03:55 PM

thanks for participating in the discussion, troll. i've said my peace, i'm not going to change any minds on abortion so im not going to bother going further.

10/16/2006 11:03:57 PM

learn something about medicine and biology and come back later.

10/16/2006 11:05:00 PM

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"i'm not going to change any minds on abortion "

BASED ON SPOOKY BIOLOGY

constructed by god hating biologists

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:05 PM. Reason : 5]

10/16/2006 11:05:18 PM

Jo73ji2, be careful coming down from your high horse, I'd hate for you to hurt yourself.

I didn't say that cases where it saves the mother's life don't exist, I said those cases make up a very, very tiny part of abortions as a whole.

10/16/2006 11:08:45 PM

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"an infinitessimally small portion of abortions"

you said this. which is wrong. a huge number of abortions are required, at least 1 for every 100 pregnancies are ectopic. say nothing of rare defects, or other common complications like preeclampsia.

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"be careful coming down from your high horse"

glad we both agree my intellect is high above your own.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:14 PM. Reason : 5]

10/16/2006 11:13:17 PM

^^^^, ^ Don't let the facts get in the way of your shitty argument.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

10/16/2006 11:16:48 PM

It's a common misconception that "right to choose" fits in under the idea of liberty as defined in our constitution. What about "right to life"? Biologists agree that life begins long before you are born, while you are still in the womb and your heartbeat starts. Abortion stops a beating heart, and is at odds with our "right to life".

10/16/2006 11:19:31 PM

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"http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/"

vs

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"http://www.nlm.nih.gov"

this is a tough one.

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"Biologists agree that life begins long before you are born"

Yea, they agree my skin cells are human life too. I guess they have a right to life.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:21 PM. Reason : 5]

10/16/2006 11:19:34 PM

Alright, you want me to break out numbers, I'll break out numbers:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2411798.html

Perhaps 2.8% of abortions have to do with the health of the mother. 1.5% had to do with the other "exceptional" reasons. So 95.7% of abortions boil down to, "I don't want a kid."

10/16/2006 11:19:56 PM

that study even admits their data is sketchy

10/16/2006 11:20:05 PM

Good thing for you doctoral students in physics at UT-Dallas count as authorities in the health field.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/about.html

10/16/2006 11:20:31 PM

And your link to the national institute for health does what to confirm or deny your claim that abortion isn't being used as a form of birth control?

If you're going to troll, at least try to be good at it.

10/16/2006 11:21:12 PM

one doctoral student trumps the national institute of health

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:22 PM. Reason : 5]

10/16/2006 11:21:47 PM

he does when the link is inappropriate to the discussion.

10/16/2006 11:22:18 PM

or promotes your propaganda

10/16/2006 11:22:45 PM

I thought

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"OReilly: unless the mother's life is in danger, which is never the case"

was what the discussion was about.

I don't know... you liek to change the topic when you're losing.

Which is to say always.

10/16/2006 11:23:44 PM

Who are you talking to?

10/16/2006 11:24:07 PM

maybe if birth control was easier to get your would have less abortions, but i forgot, condoms are immoral. we should all wait till 30 to have any kind of sex.

10/16/2006 11:26:24 PM

Hahahahaha

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"Good thing for you doctoral students in physics at UT-Dallas count as authorities in the health field."

So you think that you have to be a health field expert in order comprehend basic math? Does that whole adding up the percentages thing gloss over your mindnumbed eyes? Or is it those tricky responses and piecing together some conclusions that gets in the way?

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:27 PM. Reason : ]

10/16/2006 11:26:25 PM

^^^The guy who thought abortions for the sake of the mother's health were "inappropriate to the discussion."



[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:30 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 11:26:47 PM

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"maybe if birth control was easier to get your would have less abortions"

Oh, bullshit, birth control is pretty fucking available. I can think of a few places in Raleigh where I can get rubbers at no charge. How available do you want them to be? Free at every street corner?

10/16/2006 11:27:36 PM

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"comprehend basic math? "

math made up by activists.

10/16/2006 11:28:01 PM

takes one to know one

10/16/2006 11:29:37 PM

I'm sure that the various Departments of Health that are made up of health experts would love to know that their work is nothing more than activist fodder.

But by all means, troll on.

10/16/2006 11:29:42 PM

^x6 And all he was doing was reporting the facts.

With "published" articles like these:

# W. R. Johnston, 29 June 2003, Don't downplay risks of abortion, The Brownsville Herald, p. E3.
# W. R. Johnston, 7 April 2003, Iraq violated 21-year-old deal, The Brownsville Herald, p. A8.
# W. R. Johnston, 17 Aug. 2001, U.S. should have missile defense system, The Brownsville Herald, p. A10.
# W. R. Johnston, 4 April 2001, Facts disprove warnings about global warming, The Brownsville Herald, p. A10

I have no reason to doubt his 100% accurate portrial of abortion statistics, nor is there a doubt in my mind that his research paper disproves the National Institutes of Health

10/16/2006 11:30:19 PM

Departments of Health that are made up of REAL health experts

either you admit that about 1 percent of all pregnancies require abortion, or you claim the NIH is propaganda.

i win. /thread.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:32 PM. Reason : 5]

10/16/2006 11:31:26 PM

^^, ^ Where do you think the author got his information from?

Also, show me the NIH's numbers on reasons behind abortion, since you're quoting them on the subject.

10/16/2006 11:32:59 PM

The logical fallacies are hurting me at this point

"Either you agree with this one statistic or you are saying that the government is full of liars!"

2.8% of abortions in this country are performed to save the mother's life.

Now, look up the number of pregnancies in this country

Look up the number of abortions

And then humbly concede defeat

10/16/2006 11:34:23 PM

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"References Return to top Jian Z, Linan C. Ectopic gestation following emergency contraception with levonorgestrel. Eur J Contracept Reprod Health Care. 2003 Dec;8(4):225-8. Sheffer-Mimouni G, Pauzner D, Maslovitch S, Lessing JB, Gamzu R. Contraception. 2003 Apr;67(4):267-9. Nielsen CL, Miller L. Ectopic gestation following emergency contraceptive pill administration. Contraception. 2000 Nov;62(5):275-6. Furlong LA. Ectopic pregnancy risk when contraception fails. A review. J Reprod Med. 2002 Nov;47(11):881-5. Review. "

Respected peer-reviewed journals have nothing on

PATRIOT.BLOGSPOT.BUSHCENTRAL.FREEDOM.COM


[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:35 PM. Reason : hh]

10/16/2006 11:34:25 PM

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"maybe if birth control was easier to get your would have less abortions, but i forgot, condoms are immoral. we should all wait till 30 to have any kind of sex."

maybe if people actually took freaking responsibility for their stinking actions and realized that SEX has more consequences than a cum stain on a blue dress then we wouldn't need to worry about silly little things like abortions as birth control and such...

10/16/2006 11:37:07 PM

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"Also, show me the NIH's numbers on reasons behind abortion, since you're quoting them on the subject."

There aren't any real numbers on the reasons behind abortions. That's why the studies posted are are sketchy and even admit they are sketchy on the numbers.

10/16/2006 11:37:13 PM

Where did mine admit that?

It may well be there, but I missed it and would like to know.

10/16/2006 11:37:50 PM

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"Where do you think the author got his information from?"

Probably the same places where he got his references in the report where he disproves global warming




PS. YOUR ARGUMENT IS BASED ON SOME DUDE WITH ZERO EXPERTISE IN THE FIELD WHO LIKES TO WRITE IN TO HIS LOCAL NEWSPAPER.



[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:42 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 11:38:03 PM

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"and realized that SEX has more consequences"

we should pass a law to make them REALIZE IT

10/16/2006 11:38:43 PM

actually, you passed a law to prevent the realization of it...

10/16/2006 11:41:39 PM

what law did i pass made people think fucking doesnt cause pregnancy?

10/16/2006 11:42:37 PM

The First Amendment

10/16/2006 11:43:28 PM