I'm a democrat. I don't think we should of gone to Iraq. I think we should work towards getting out as soon as possible.

All that being said, WTF is up with CNN and it's news coverage of the war. I think they're editorializing. Every time I go to their website it's another front page of "Oh No, the US is fucking up again." Shut the fuck up about policy and just report the damn news.

[Edited on October 19, 2006 at 2:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2006 2:02:51 PM

cue Randy...

10/19/2006 2:10:37 PM

yeah, he's rabid... but rabidity doesn't necessarily make you wrong.

10/19/2006 2:14:06 PM

no it doesn't. but randy is often wrong.

10/19/2006 2:14:51 PM

Randy=broken clock

10/19/2006 2:16:38 PM

Clinton News Network

10/19/2006 2:36:23 PM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=439541

goes right along with what i was saying. i urge everyon to try out new news sources and give biased sources like cnn the boot.

10/19/2006 2:41:19 PM

if CNN needs the boot

than Fox News needs to be dragged out into the field, shot, and left for dead

agreed?

10/19/2006 2:44:39 PM

that was a retarded post

10/19/2006 2:45:31 PM

fox is very biased.

better?

10/19/2006 2:46:53 PM

basically what I'm saying is that I'm disappointed with CNN

but Fox News is a fucking joke

i complain that I "think" that CNN is editorializing

that's all that Fox News does... they have no integrity

10/19/2006 2:49:26 PM

Well to be fair, Fox News was created in response to CNN's biased bullshit. It just got a little too carried away with the slant.

10/19/2006 2:54:24 PM

anybody who gets the majority of their news from television is asking for trouble anyway.

10/19/2006 2:55:50 PM

what?

it was created because Rupert Murdoch is a scum sucking asshole who knows how to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the conservative wing

he did it in Australia and he's doing it here

10/19/2006 2:56:51 PM

If that's what CNN has to do to cancel out the Bush admin's spinning and lying, then so be it.

10/19/2006 3:00:38 PM

NO

that's not their job

10/19/2006 3:01:03 PM

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"i urge everyon to try out new news sources"

I am telling ya people....Newsmax is the way to go!!!1

10/19/2006 3:11:36 PM

^^ I'm sure embellishing, cherry picking, and manufacturing intelligence to go to war isn't in anyone's job description, but it was done.

Our political system has too much corruption in it now, and a critical media can help to bring attention and to fix those problems. A passive media just becomes the whipping boy for politicians to manipulate.

10/19/2006 3:22:03 PM

Huh, so where's the lie in the current headline, which is taken directly from a "top US Military spokesperson"?

10/19/2006 3:25:54 PM

it's not that they're a lie

it's the constant bombardment of "The US is fucking up in Iraq"

10/19/2006 3:40:04 PM

1. It's the #1 story in America (or should be, war should take precedence over scandal and Madonna in media)
2. We arent' exactly doing a bang up job lately.

Maybe the generals should stop saying that we aren't doing so well?

10/19/2006 3:45:03 PM

FUCK CNN FOR REPORTING THE NEWS!11

how about THEY report and WE decide...oh wait

10/19/2006 4:17:49 PM

carpet bomb the whole fucking place and get it over with. its the perfect thing.

10/19/2006 4:30:19 PM

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"If that's what CNN has to do to cancel out the Bush admin's spinning and lying, then so be it."

The communists' 4th branch of government.

10/19/2006 4:48:25 PM

So I'll say, "The media focus entirely on the bad news."

And you'll say, "All of it IS bad news!"

And I'll say, "How do you know you just think that because your only real exposure is from the media?"

And you'll say, "Why do you automatically assume that it isn't all bad news?"

And I'll say, "I just find it hard to believe that every single newsworthy thing coming out of Iraq is entirely negative."

And you'll say, "Nuh-uhn, haven't you seen the news? Why, just today..."

And then I will just crawl into a bottle until you shut up or I'm too drunk to care.

10/19/2006 4:53:11 PM

If there is so much good news to be had in Iraq, how come this administration doesn't report it at any press conferences?

Hell, even marginally good news, or even neutral news can be spun up into something positive by this admin and their grunt Snow.

10/19/2006 5:07:33 PM

Sigh...I basically called it.

I didn't say there is "so much good news," but I think any situation where you find uniformly bad or good news is rare.

As to why the administration doesn't try to play up good or neutral things...part of it is what seems to be contempt for what we think, part of it is incompetence, and part of it is that as soon as they say good things, people rush to rip holes in whatever they say.

10/19/2006 5:19:22 PM

I suppot this thread

10/19/2006 6:01:47 PM

In case you didn't notice, the US IS fucking up in Iraq.

10/19/2006 7:03:15 PM

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"In case you didn't notice, the US IS fucking up in Iraq."

You're so right. I saw it on CNN.

10/19/2006 8:20:21 PM

Any war that hasn't noticably progressed over the last three years is not exactly being "won". Any war that has regressed over the last two years is being lost.

10/19/2006 8:22:29 PM

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"Sigh...I basically called it. I didn't say there is "so much good news," but I think any situation where you find uniformly bad or good news is rare. As to why the administration doesn't try to play up good or neutral things...part of it is what seems to be contempt for what we think, part of it is incompetence, and part of it is that as soon as they say good things, people rush to rip holes in whatever they say. "

That's a reason to not talk about the good news? Doesn't sound like an administration of no cutting and running to me. Thats kinda...pussy, in my opinion.


I just want to see a plan from someone. The last "plan" I heard/saq was we leave when the Iraqi's can defend themselves. And, if I remember correctly, seeing some diagrams with X number of Iraqi battalions and how far along they were in being "brought online". Why don't we see that regularly (daily/weekly?) as a progress report? Is it perhaps, because the administration knows if they let the public know that it takes many many many years and 100s of billions (will eventually be 1 fucking trillion) of dollars to build nearly from scratch a properly trained armed force, that any support they have left from the "at least he has the balls to take it to them" crowd will dry up and will have our Vietnam all over again?

10/19/2006 9:33:52 PM

Quote :

"So I'll say, "The media focus entirely on the bad news." And you'll say, "All of it IS bad news!" And I'll say, "How do you know you just think that because your only real exposure is from the media?" And you'll say, "Why do you automatically assume that it isn't all bad news?" "

At this point I would have said that the media also includes accounts from leaders and generals that paint an overall negative view of things in Iraq, as well as the supposed NIE report.

Even if good things are happening, it wouldn't seem to represent the whole picture. If you are trying to assess how to move forward logistically, the few good things are not too relevant.

As it is now, it's pretty much only Bush and his crew who are asserting that things are going well in Iraq (actually, they're not really even playing this line anymore).

Turning a blind eye isn't going to help America, Iraqis, or the fight for terrorism. If you can find convincing evidence that Iraq is not going to end up like Afghanistan, Iran, or North Korea, that would be excellent, but all signs point to a despotic, fractured Iraq, if nothing is done.

10/20/2006 1:34:10 AM

Chicken Noodle News

10/20/2006 1:51:02 AM

PS: I'm also still mad at them because they fucked up Crossfire--and then took it off the air. I liked that show.

10/20/2006 1:52:52 AM

thank god i rely on AP radio news for most of my daytime news, i wouldnt want those communists at turner infiltrating my brain and beating me over the head with their communist ways.

10/20/2006 1:57:37 AM

Oh oh, how about the Clinton News Network? That seems to be my mom's favorite.

10/20/2006 2:01:22 AM

This is good news, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr.ap/index.html?eref=rss_world

10/20/2006 9:10:01 AM

CNN's war coverage is getting more and more like msnbc's...where anytime there is good news it is presented like "HEY THERE IS GOOD NEWS!!!"...this is obviously not often...

but any time there is bad news it is presented like "....yeah....guess what....more bad news....we suck...bush sucks....republicans suck......lets all go home"...

...just my perception

10/20/2006 11:15:55 AM

By the way, has anyone noticed that the violence has increased in Iraq leading up to our elections? The terrorists are clearly trying to affect the outcome of our elections in favor of the Democrats--because they know that many Democrats want to pull out of Iraq.

10/20/2006 1:17:28 PM

There's a White House press conference on now and the goddamned press corps is too fucking stupid or uncooperative to understand the difference between strategy and tactics. For the White House press corps and the rest of the ill-informed, good working definitions are strategy = "plan" and tactics = "methods." For fuck's sake!

10/20/2006 1:30:40 PM

^^

i've got news for you buddy, EVERYONE want's to pull out of iraq

i doesn't matter whether the democrats obtain control of either/both/neither of the houses

you're going to start to see a significant decrease of US soldiers (maybe up to a complete withdrawl) by the time of the presidential elections

this war is very unpopular

10/20/2006 1:36:14 PM

For what it's worth no war has ever been popular.

10/20/2006 1:41:16 PM

^^Uh. . .no, "buddy," that's incorrect. The number of soldiers in Iraq will actually stay the same.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15220816/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-11-troops-iraq_x.htm

10/20/2006 1:49:18 PM

Stay the same, decrease, what's the difference?

10/20/2006 1:51:29 PM

nastoute

Quote :

"you're going to start to see a significant decrease of US soldiers [emphasis added](maybe up to a complete withdrawl) by the time of the presidential elections."

Quote :

"The U.S. Army has plans to keep the current level of soldiers in Iraq through 2010 [emphasis added], the top Army officer said Wednesday. . . ."

That's the difference.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 1:57 PM. Reason : []]

10/20/2006 1:56:42 PM

In all honesty at this point we really need to increase the number of soldiers in Iraq, declare Martial law, and rebuild the nation ourselves.

10/20/2006 1:57:44 PM

i don't care what some top army officer said

the political climate will not tolerate it

10/20/2006 3:14:00 PM

all I have to say is that the sniper video they showed was fucking low - we really have no need to watch an insurgent snuff video of our own troops

10/20/2006 3:16:52 PM

i didn't watch it

but that was one of the main things that got me thinking

if I want to watch shit like that, i'm going to go to ogrish

i don't expect that shit on cnn

10/20/2006 3:18:03 PM