Okay, just curious. Who believes the government is lying about September 11th besides SalisburyBoy?

Post on this scale

1=The government had their hands all over this one. Definitely an inside job.

2=The government had prior knowledge and allowed it too happen.

3=19 muslim (mostly Arabic) hijackers took control of four commerical aircraft with box cutters, made their way to the cockpits, commandeered the flight controls, and successfully flew 3 of the planes into two of the tallest American buildings (WTC 1 & 2) and the heart of our nations's defense (the Pentagon) without any military intervention.


My vote is #1 all the way. I have been looking into this for quite awhile and all evidence points to certain segments of the government.

How 'bout the rest ya?

10/28/2006 4:44:45 AM

i wonder how many names salsburyboy actually has....

10/28/2006 7:58:13 AM

0. The heads of the New Cheese Order actually fired missiles disguised as jet planes into the Towers and the Pentagon in an effort to spark a Middle Eastern war, thus allowing them access to Saddam's legendary Gouda Vaults.

10/28/2006 8:32:09 AM

CHEESE!!!!!!!1!!!!!ONE!E!!!!!1

10/28/2006 8:41:17 AM

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 8:53 PM. Reason : knock that shit off --theduke866]

10/28/2006 9:27:23 AM

Cartman believes.

10/28/2006 10:21:38 AM

I feel the situation is closer to #2 than #1, from what evidence I have seen and read. There are obvious inconsistencies within the official story, no one can deny that. However, most people(on this board and otherwise) don't want to spend the time to actually investigate the facts themselves and assume anyone who feels 9/11 might have been a conspiracy to be "nuts". Good luck with this thread...

10/28/2006 11:08:45 AM

how many salisburyboy fucks are there?

these morons are coming out of the fucking woodwork.

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 11:15 AM. Reason : *]

10/28/2006 11:15:36 AM

SOMEONE TOOK A DUKE IN THE URINAL

















lol thats not a moderator joke btw

10/28/2006 11:17:48 AM

I hate politicians and the government as much as the next guy, but this is reaching

stupid muslim religious zealots pulled off 9-11

10/28/2006 11:17:51 AM

i foresee another suspension in the future

10/28/2006 11:53:35 AM

http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 11:59 AM. Reason : k]

10/28/2006 11:59:10 AM

4= The Illuminati, who control the jews, who control everything else, was behind this.

10/28/2006 12:06:42 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9183508539586944118&q=carlyle+group&hl=en

10/28/2006 12:10:11 PM

#18.

10/28/2006 4:41:38 PM

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"However, most people(on this board and otherwise) don't want to spend the time to actually investigate the facts themselves and assume anyone who feels 9/11 might have been a conspiracy to be "nuts"."

The classic conspiracy theorist cop out:

"People who don't believe it are scared of the trooth!"

Isn't it funny that they always throw that out there as if they are some brave freedom fighters that are much much more courageous than the rest of the population? If you only look at the evidence on conspiracy theory websites and discount every other source like they want you to then you will come to their same conclusions. If you actually look at sources that aren't so ridiculously skewed you will realize that the conspiracy theory websites use horrible logic and careful selection of details to make a point. People buy into that crap because they want tremendous events like 9/11 to have tremendous causes, as opposed to being the work of some pissed off arabs.

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"I have been looking into this for quite awhile"

What sources?

10/28/2006 5:43:40 PM

evil doers

10/28/2006 5:50:45 PM

I'm not going into detail about my beliefs on the issues at hand here (i still want a clear video of the pentagon before i make a ruling). Until you can prove that there is a "NWO" (aside from Scott Hall and Kevin Nash), you shouldnt expect anyone to believe anything you say about such a conspiracy. Claims of "NWO control" over governments, media, etc., have no conclusive proof, and simply saying "BUT THATS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK" does not hack it.

I only deal in absolutes when it comes to conspiracies, and I don't see any in this "NWO" issue.

If you really want to know, it was Kyle.

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 8:06 PM. Reason : ,,]

10/28/2006 8:02:26 PM

First off, you yourself believe in a conspiracy theory. A conspiracy is an evil plan plotted by two or more people, so the offical story is a conspiracy in itself, and to me it is a theory because it cannot be proved. Another interesting tidbit--On the FBI's web page, Osama bin Laden is not even associated with the 9/11 attacks. See this here

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

You would think that if he was actually directly behind the attacks as our government and media remind us on an almost daily basis that this crime would be listed under Bin Laden's bio on the FBI website.

You can find many contradictions in the mainstream news concerning the official story. However, it's usually found in the back of the paper. I simply don't have the time to list sources here because it would take forever. There are just so many. The problem is is that so many Americans are kept in the dark on this issue. There are many prominent people who refuse the official story as it stands. Here are just a few:

Robert Bowman-retired Colonel who flew 101 missions in the Vietnam, Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for DOD (Ret)

Andreas Von Bulow-Former German Defense Minister

Bill Christison-former senior official of the CIA

David Ray Griffin-Philosophy Professor.

Steven Jones-Physics Prof.

Michael Meacher-UK Minister of Environment ('97-2003)

Greg Palast-New York Times- bestselling author and a journalist for the British Broadcasting Corporation

Morgan Reynolds, a former chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during the administration of George W. Bush.

Michael C. Ruppert-former narcotics investigator for the LAPD

Ray McGovern-Former CIA anaylist

And these are just a few. More people are waking up everyday. Do some heavy research on your own and you will find that it's not so "crazy" afterwall.

-D

10/28/2006 8:08:25 PM

oh wow, some philosophy professor believes that 9/11 was an NWO plot.

the NWO is about as real as Chupacabra.

(this doesnt mean the story isnt sketchy imho tho)

10/28/2006 8:14:38 PM

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"First off, you yourself believe in a conspiracy theory."

hahaha...this has never ever been tried....ever

the only relevent conspiracy is yours....its the moonbat crazy one...just drop that tactic

10/28/2006 8:23:36 PM

Oh yeah, I guess it's easier for some to believe that a bunch of pissed off muslims did it because they hate our freedom. If this is the truth, which is most certainly not, then they are winning this war because following the 9/11 attacks our freedoms are slowly but surely being taken away from us. These terrorists were half-wits who could barely fly cessnas, let alone fly a jumbo jet into the side of the Pentagon.

[/quote the NWO is about as real as Chupacabra.]


Former President Bush used the phrase New World Order in many of his speeches.

Look at a dollar bill-underneath the pyramid in latin it reads-Novus Ordo Seclorum, or New World Order.

New World Order means a one world government. Look at the European Union. The American Union is being set up at this very moment.

Can Al Qaeda make NORAD stand down? Can Al Qaeda conduct insider trading on the days before 9/11? Can Al Qaeda remove security and bomb sniffing dogs the weekend before 9/11?

Here's a good page--200 + smoking guns surrounding September 11th.

http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

I'm just trying to get people to look into some of this stuff and start asking their own questions. I am not trying to ram this down your throats, but just want you to keep an open mind.

I am not a nutbag, but a very concerned American who still has the right to protest the government under the 1st amendment. However, we may not have this right much longer, so I am using it to the best of my ability. Just look at free speech zones. This isnt the America our Forefathers created.

-D

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 8:49 PM. Reason : messed up quote]

10/28/2006 8:48:08 PM

Does your life have so little meaning that you have to create an enemy and a cause to make yourself feel important and add some excitement?

Where is your freedom of speech being infringed upon? No one is stopping you from posting your theories all over the Internet.

(But I'm warming up the Black helicopters right now...)

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 8:57 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2006 8:55:35 PM

Like I said dude, I'm trying to help others open their eyes. Some people like you will just disregard any of the info presented here or all over the Web for that matter either because you dont care, Saved by the Bell re-runs are more important, or you just don't have time. I realize some of my posts are a waste to people like you who will just continue to keep calling me a nutcase or moron ( I really dont care). But hopefully some people will begin to start looking into this. I am just trying my best to spread the info among my fellow NCSU students.

10/28/2006 9:07:50 PM

10/28/2006 9:56:25 PM

9-11 conspiracy theories are all bullshit, if you believe them you are a fucking moron

10/28/2006 9:58:33 PM

Gee, what an intelligent reply. Obviously, you vote for number three then, which as I said before, is also a conspiracy theory.

10/28/2006 10:16:36 PM

I certainly don't believe it was an inside job. That's insane. If you really believe that, you should be trying to overthrow the government by any means necessary.

However, some of that k0n$pir4cy stuff is more convincing than I would have thought. The way the WTC buildings collapsed is very odd. That doesn't, however, mean Dubya did it.

10/28/2006 10:22:46 PM

I've wondered about the collapsing and people claiming they heard explosions.
In a building of that side, isn't there bound to be explosive stuff on the floors? Like water pumps, or something that might account for the "explosions" heard on several floors?

Doesn't some shit just blow up when it gets hot?

10/28/2006 10:46:25 PM

Wait a minute....

110 story buildings collapse and people heard loud explosive noises????

:eek:


WHY DIDN'T I KNOW THIS BEFORE!

10/28/2006 11:09:53 PM

After looking at his argument, and doing a little research on my own, I'm now 100% convinced it was an inside job.

#3 all the way. Thank you, DissentNoW, for opening my eyes to the Truth.













Psych! You're a moron.

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 11:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2006 11:18:48 PM

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"1) Rent a gun 2) Buy a bullet"

10/28/2006 11:19:05 PM

Did the faggot really sign up to post this shit?

10/28/2006 11:38:22 PM

Watch these videos!

Terror Storm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5792753647750188322&q=Terror+storm

Martial Law 9-11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=911+martial+law

9-11 The Road To Tyranny
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1358726890127819985&q=911+road+to+tyranny


9-11 Mysteries
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=911+mysteries


Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change


9-11 Revisited
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&q=911+revisited

10/28/2006 11:40:15 PM

Wow. I was attacked way more than I thought I would be. And I thought most college kids were relatively smart.

10/28/2006 11:41:37 PM

don't pic bomb

[Edited on October 28, 2006 at 11:46 PM. Reason : that's what i think.]

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 4:17 PM. Reason : you know damn well not to pic bomb.--theDuke866]

10/28/2006 11:44:59 PM

there's 50-some pages of this bullshit already. [LOCK]

10/28/2006 11:56:34 PM

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : don't pic bomb--theDuke866]

10/29/2006 12:04:51 AM

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"New World Order means a one world government. Look at the European Union. The American Union is being set up at this very moment."

You don't know anything about this issue outside of what you read on Inforwars.com, do you? I guess noone else is screaming about this because the NWO ONE WORLD FACIST MEDIA prevents them from doing so.

10/29/2006 8:37:09 AM

i was forced to listen to my teammates talk about this shit for an entire dinner last week. it was really boggled my mind that there were 4-5 of "them" among my small team.

i can understand that the official story might not be 100% true. im sure people are covering their asses for failing to do things when they should have or having shitty system in place. that doesnt mean the government planted bombs in the world trade center.

10/29/2006 9:09:53 AM

^ My sentiments exactly.

10/29/2006 10:43:37 AM

^^i agree

eyewitness accounts correlate to show that it was an American Airlines plane that flew low and crashed into the pentagon: http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html

Care to tell me how these people were fooled, DissentNow/salisburyboy?

The thing that really gets me against the conspiracies the most is the whole idea of the Jewish Cabal/NWO/whathaveyou. The best proof anyone has on any of this is:

1. words on money
2. rhetoric from bush sr.
3. and a misunderstanding/fear of groups like the UN and the EU, usually based out of even more conspiracies, such as the false protocols of zion.

I'm not saying I dont believe that there is a puppetmaster not controlling all of this. The gov. has always engaged in sketchy stuff. Think about it though: what better way to make people fear you than to get them to believe that you have the power to pull off such an intricate attack plan?

Who's the real stooge? DissentNow, for buying into the gov. fabrication that 9/11 was their job. He's the one creating the fear of the government by spreading conspiracy that they are so powerful that they can do such things to us. The puppetmaster might be the gov., but you are the puppet they are toying with. Ignore them, and they'll go away.


[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

10/29/2006 11:07:39 AM

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"Wow. I was attacked way more than I thought I would be. And I thought most college kids were relatively smart."

You obviously don't understand how important 9/11 is to the modern American. Believing the government is responsible turns everything on its head. Hell, it'd easily justify guerrilla warfare. The notion is too promblematic to be contemplated.

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"I've wondered about the collapsing and people claiming they heard explosions."

The 9/11 buildings did collapse just as if they'd been taken down in a controlled demolition. As far as I know, no other skyscrapers have completely collapsed because of fires. Also, other examples of fires in skyscrapers look very different. They're much brighter, for one thing.

As I said before, though, this doesn't mean the gubment did it. There are plenty of other more plausible explanations.

10/29/2006 1:48:19 PM

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"As far as I know, no other skyscrapers have completely collapsed because of fires."

Well they were also hit by planes. That kind of force had to do some amount of structural damage, especially at that far up the building.

10/29/2006 2:58:26 PM

I think that it's amazing that the type of people that believe that this government staged the events of 9-11 and have managed to keep it all under wraps will turn around and also bitch about how stupid Bush and this administration is.

You can't have it both ways

10/29/2006 6:08:24 PM

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"1=The government had their hands all over this one. Definitely an inside job. 2=The government had prior knowledge and allowed it too happen."

Not saying I believe any of these, but there are names for these theories:

1 = MIHOP (Make it happen on purpose)

2 = LIHOP (Let it happen on purpose)

********************************************************

Although, I must say, LIHOP doesn't contradict any of the evidence, unlike MIHOP.

So, LIHOP is a plausible theory.

It is not far-fetched to believe that higher-ups sacrificed 3,000 Americans in order to get a carte blanche to redraw the map of the Muslim world.

There is NO WAY that any civilian can know what the complete truth is. There ARE precedents in the past 200 years when it comes to the government lying to the public, especially in the realm of international events involving the US. Hence, the unknowability of the reality.

The complete truth will come out in the next 20-30 years.

10/29/2006 6:22:01 PM

Unfortunately, the complete truth may never come out. Look the JFK assassination. It has been over 40 years but yet they still say Oswald acted alone.

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"Who's the real stooge? DissentNow, for buying into the gov. fabrication that 9/11 was their job. He's the one creating the fear of the government by spreading conspiracy that they are so powerful that they can do such things to us. The puppetmaster might be the gov., but you are the puppet they are toying with. Ignore them, and they'll go away. "

I bet you got this idea from a recent South Park episode, which was absolutely hilarious even if they did make 9/11 truthers out to be complete idiots by blaming it on the Jews. Just ignoring it makes them more powerful and they will not go away unless we force them to do so. The only way to do this is to get more and more people behind the truth.

10/29/2006 6:59:17 PM

No, actually, it mostly comes from the fact that I've never trusted the Federal gov., yet I'm not dumb enough to believe that the buildings were brought down by a controlled explosion, based on the mountains of evidence from independent sources. How did Popular Mechanics come to the conclusion that it wasn't controlled? Because they're dumb? Because the government controls them?

People who believe in the "NWO" are just as dumb as people who believe the Protocols of Zion.

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". Look the JFK assassination. It has been over 40 years but yet they still say Oswald acted alone. "

Oh god, we're going down this road, are we? Oh well, while we're on it...

What does it matter if Oswald was set up? I believe he was. There were plenty of people who wanted him gone.



So somebody set up this loser to shoot the man because of his policy. Its not like these people got their way in the government. We followed the same course of containment afterwards. It didnt cause the Vietnam war, we were already there and destined to get stuck. Why is there so much hype over the effects and motives of this? If you ask me, the KKK or some anti-Warren court group (John Birch Society or some equally insane group) used Oswald alone to carry this out, magic bullet be damned.


[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 7:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2006 7:25:17 PM

if it was an inside job it would require many many many people and tons of planning and pre set up to pull off. do you mean to tell me that no one leaked that shit. people in DC or the media cant keep quiet for seconds when they get dirt on bush or repubs, if they did have something like a whistle blower who was in on this shit they blow it wide open. so why is it then no one has come forward and the media isnt blowing the lid (except for bullshit conspiracy nerds on prison planet).........maybe cause the conspiracy is all bullshit. i mean you conspiracy nerds are so dumb, you basically attribute the lack of evidence as evidence and then use this as the proof for the cleverness of the conspirators.

10/29/2006 7:37:57 PM

Why did WTC #7 come down? It wasnt hit by a plane. If you watch the collaspe it looks like a controlled demolition. Why did both towers come down so quickly if it was from the fires? The North Tower was hit first but the South Tower came down first. PinkandBlack-you seem like a smart person, why don't you start using your brain. If you have really looked into all the anomalies surrounding 9/11, you would probably start to realize that the towers coming down from fires like they did is scientifically impossible. Popular Mechanics did a very poor job in trying to debunk the 9/11 conspiracy theory. Millions of Americans think that the government was somewhat complicit in the attacks and the subsequent cover-up. I don't want to get into the JFK conspiracy debate here but you're right JFK had many enemies and one of the prime ones was the CIA.

Steven Jones, physics professor at BYU found thermite and thermate on samples from the WTC wreckage. As time goes on, more and more whistleblowers will go public and more researchers will gather more evidence. Hopefully then, people like you will begin to wake up or maybe you will just ignore it, click your heels 3 times, and say there's no place like home-and poof, the bad guys will go away

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2006 8:07:20 PM