I actually saw this posted in chit chat, but it makes a great point:

Quote :

"Hello, I am a (rank removed) stationed at Guantanamo Bay Cuba. I visit the camp daily and I just wanted to say that the Al Qaida Cam cartoons and the Martyr Machine cartoon have brought great laughter to our troops here. Your cartoons are so opposite and therapeutic from what really goes on here. These "Detainee's" are treated better in some ways then the people who guard them. (some people) are so much more concerned with how the "Detainee's" are treated and could care less about the Soldiers and Marines guarding the camp. (section removed) Anyways, just wanted you to know that maybe you have touched a subject that really is important and have made a bit if a difference in the morale and welfare of real people who have left there homes to do this messy mission. Thanks for the laughs and keep them coming. (name and rank removed) "

It is a sad day when those who protect us are cared for less than those who wish to harm us.

10/29/2006 10:16:55 AM

....and then I wrote this hilarious letter and this dude posted in the intarweb

......rofl

10/29/2006 10:21:52 AM

if you're not going to respond and try to have a discussion on guantanamo and the issue at hand, you should probably take yourself to chit chat.

just an idea.

10/29/2006 10:31:00 AM

you're thread didnt ask a question, it was a statement so I assumed that was the end of it.

10/29/2006 10:39:45 AM

Anecdotal evidence = win*


*if it agrees with your pre-determined viewpoint

10/29/2006 11:46:50 AM

what are some of the examples of how the detainees are treated better than the marines and sailors?

10/29/2006 11:56:52 AM

A friend of mine actually got a similar letter from his cousin (stationed at Guantanamo):

Quote :

"Hello, I am a (rank removed) stationed at Guantanamo Bay Cuba. I visit the camp daily and I just wanted to say that the muhammed cartoon have brought great laughter to our troops here. It is so therapeutic to taunt the detainees with blasphemous images of their prophet. We really show these "Detainee's" that their bosses are the people who guard them. (some people) are so concerned with how the "Detainee's" are treated - well they should be. Just yesterday my buddies and I took a lead filled pipe to one of them. Yeah, he didn't make it (LOL). The leadership couldn't care less about how the Soldiers and Marines guard the camp. (section removed) Anyways, just wanted you to know that maybe you have touched a subject that really is funny to us and have made a bit if a difference in the morale and welfare of real people who have left there homes to carry out this messy beatdown. Thanks for the laughs and keep them coming. (name and rank removed) "

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 12:00 PM. Reason : s]

10/29/2006 11:59:57 AM

They get to act in our prison plays


They get routine health inspections


They get to play "pretend you're a dog"


And best of all, they get to play twister twice a week!

10/29/2006 12:10:25 PM

boonedocks...I'm not sure, but I don't think any of those were from Guantanamo...

10/29/2006 3:23:12 PM

ha for that matter I dont think ive heard anything abad about Guantanamo

10/29/2006 4:19:56 PM

^ Oh of course, I mean all the torture allegations and defiling of the Quran are all good and democratic!

Watch The Road to Guantanamo.

10/29/2006 4:54:28 PM

who fucking cares if they defile the quran - its just a book and there aint shit in the geneva conventions that says you can't poop on a book

10/29/2006 6:28:30 PM

i poop on books quite often

10/29/2006 6:31:03 PM

my stance:

waterboarding - wrong

pooping on a book - hilarious! do more of it!

10/29/2006 6:38:49 PM

i dont know, sometimes its pretty funny to see a guy get bashed in the face with a lead pipe. did you see home alone?

10/29/2006 6:41:23 PM

I don't give a fuck up Hillary Clinton's rancid little pussy about terrorists rights. I support the soldiers, Marines, airmen, and sailors. Case closed.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 8:53 PM. Reason : I support them.]

10/29/2006 8:53:29 PM

That's right! They are ALL terrorists and they were ALL just "scooped up off of the battlefield".

10/29/2006 8:57:00 PM

I can't believe Randy fell for that shit.

l
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oh wait...It's Randy, yes I can.

10/29/2006 9:02:13 PM

Quote :

"I don't give a fuck up Hillary Clinton's rancid little pussy about terrorists rights. I support the soldiers, Marines, airmen, and sailors. Case closed."

Something tells me John Paul II wouldnt appreciate you wanting them to get tortured. I mean, he always struck me as a guy that was actually compassionate, unlike most of history's popes. Then again, he takes a back seat to God in my book, and it seems like his son wasn't too keen on abusing your enemies either.

I'm sure we could overturn all of this just by getting Ratzinger to write out a decree making torture cool, right?

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 9:06 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2006 9:05:19 PM

Good idea, I'll send him an e-mail.

Terrorists have no rights. Support America's soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines. End of story.

10/29/2006 9:24:31 PM

And of course everyone in Gitmo has been found to be a terrorist, right?

10/29/2006 9:29:20 PM

No, I understand it is a tourist attraction that draws tens of thousands of sunbathers per year, as well as those who wish to partake in the excellent shopping opportunities. Truly a vacation paradise, with family fun for all. In fact I heard it was getting its own Hard Rock Cafe.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 9:32 PM. Reason : add]

10/29/2006 9:32:09 PM

I guess smart-assery is a perfectly viable response for someone who can't conjure a sufficient answer.

10/29/2006 9:38:13 PM

I guess since the point went right over your head, I'll have to put it in simpler terms. Why would someone be there if there wasn't a legitimate connection between them and terrorist activities? Do you think the brave Marines and soldiers there just go randomly picking up people in the middle of the night and taking them to Guantanamo Bay? What, do they get out a phone book? "Anderson.. Michelle. That sounds like a terrorist. Pick her up." Please.

(some people) are so much more concerned with how the "Detainee's" are treated and could care less about the Soldiers and Marines guarding the camp.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 9:42 PM. Reason : add]

10/29/2006 9:41:33 PM

Sadly you seem to live in a tunnel so it is unlikely that you will take the time to be educated but here it is anyways. http://www.thislife.org/ Go to the 06 archive, and the program from 3/10 entitled Habeas Schmabeas. Enjoy.

10/29/2006 9:48:24 PM

No, I am not interested in listening to some leftie go on and on and on about how awful and terrible and cruel American soldiers and Marines are.

And the Constitution specifically allows the Writ of Habeas Corpus to be suspended in war time. WE ARE AT WAR. That war was declared on us on September 11, 2001. And when you're at war, you need to do whatever you have to do in order to defeat the enemy. Lincoln recognized that; that's why he suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Because he understood that the country was at war.

(some people) are so much more concerned with how the "Detainee's" are treated and could care less about the Soldiers and Marines guarding the camp.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 9:58 PM. Reason : add]

10/29/2006 9:56:06 PM

Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance. They are interviews with people who were fucking there!!! And it becomes abundantly clear that there are innocent people there. I hope that the rock you live under is comfortable.

Are you really trying to compare the Civil War to our current "war"?

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2006 10:01:46 PM

The point is that Habeas Corpus is not this untouchable right that can never be suspended; the law allows it to be suspended during war, for good reason.

10/29/2006 10:05:30 PM

And what would those reasons be? Is it really that threatening to question your detention? Or is the bullshit meter too high on some of these "charges" that Bush and Co. need a way to keep from being called out on seriously fucking up?

10/29/2006 10:09:14 PM

IF you listen to Al-Cnn, that is the impression you might get. However, the real issue is that there is a larger terrorist network out there. It's not just one or two rogue people out raising hell just to raise hell, it is a NETWORK. And if you allow these people to challenge their detention in court, it might cause them to be entitled to classified documents, revealing sources, etc., which they would of course pass on to their terrorist network, and put our brave Marines, Sailors, Airmen, and Soldiers at even greater peril.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:13 PM. Reason : greater risk]

10/29/2006 10:12:44 PM

So instead we assume they are terrorists and run them through a kangaroo court where they aren't getting proper if any council, can't find out the evidence against them and can't question their presence there. I don't care who they are, that is pretty shady and fucked up.

^You keep repeating that in bold. Are you running for office or something? Maybe if we cared more about our troops we wouldn't send them to the wrong damn country to fight.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:20 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2006 10:16:35 PM

If the choice is between that and putting our courageous and honourable men in uniform at risk, I say to hell with the terrorists' rights, God bless our soldiers/sailors/Marines/airmen.

10/29/2006 10:20:23 PM

Praise Jesus!

This is like arguing with Randy but I would hope for more from someone who says they are a lawyer.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:23 PM. Reason : Sheesh]

10/29/2006 10:22:03 PM

I am not interested in your hopes or dreams. All I am concerned about is supporting our honourable Troops.

10/29/2006 10:26:01 PM

wait did we already say that we arnt at war....b/c we are not.

10/29/2006 10:29:25 PM

Of course we are at war. War was declared on us on September 11, 2001.

10/29/2006 10:31:17 PM

we have delcared war on no one

and those idiots declared war on us back in the early 90's

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:33 PM. Reason : uuuuuuh world trade center bomber #1]

10/29/2006 10:33:02 PM

Go go false dichotomy.

10/29/2006 10:33:52 PM

Yeah, as long as they are classified as enemy combatants by Bush then fuck 'em. They must automatically be terrorists. Let's detain them until this war on a concept (War on Terror) is over just to save face because "god" forbid we hold someone innocent. You claim that "war" was declared on us so where is our declaration of war? Or is it just easier to make up the rules as we go along?

10/29/2006 10:34:57 PM

The point is, we are at war. Congress authorized the use of military force, and the President is using military force. That sure sounds like a war to me.

And again, I think the ultimate concern is NOT putting our brave men in uniform at greater risk.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:36 PM. Reason : add]

10/29/2006 10:35:50 PM

By doing what, actually having to PROVE the guilt of these men being held at tax payer expense?

10/29/2006 10:37:42 PM

im sick of my money being used for this retarded shit

10/29/2006 10:39:16 PM

Nobody wants our troops in harm's way, dude.

10/29/2006 10:42:49 PM

^^^ By letting the terrorists see how we caught them, so they can pass it along to the others in their network and help them avoid getting caught by the same means.

^^ You're sick of your money being used to protect our brave military personnel? Well I don't know what to tell you - that's just something you will have to get over.

^ It seems that some people do. Those who want to give terrorist suspects all the rights in the world, so they can pass info along to their friends and help them avoid getting caught. I do some criminal defense work - and the first thing I do is look at ways people have beat similar charges in the past.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:44 PM. Reason : add]

10/29/2006 10:42:57 PM

Haha you're either the worst lawyer ever or the majority of people in juries are total idiots. Either way those types of arguments aren't going to work here, Perry Mason. Stop trying to paint people into a corner, nobody endorses your strawman.

10/29/2006 10:44:21 PM

First, you need to take the Law School Admission Test. Then, get admitted to a top tier law school. Finish three years thereof, and be admitted to take a state Bar. Pass that Bar, get sworn in at the state and federal courts in your district. THEN will I entertain your well-informed criticism of my legal abilities.

Till then, STFU, Matlock.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:45 PM. Reason : stfu]

10/29/2006 10:45:37 PM

Stop trying to bunch "protecting our brave military" with abolishing basic rights to someone being held as a prisoner of war. If this is how dishonorably our military and government has to conduct itself to win a "war" then why should we support them?

10/29/2006 10:45:50 PM

Quote :

"First, you need to take the Law School Admission Test. Then, get admitted to a top tier law school. Finish three years thereof, and be admitted to take a state Bar. Pass that Bar, get sworn in at the state and federal courts in your district. THEN will I entertain your well-informed criticism of my legal abilities. Till then, STFU, Matlock."

Dur hur hur. Well you know what I CAN do? I can look at your arguments and see that I could drive a fucking truck through them. So stick 3 years of law school right up your ass, because if you couldn't come out of 3 years at a "top tier" law school and put together a better argument than the piss you're stringing together in this thread, then I feel bad for you son.

10/29/2006 10:47:02 PM

im sick of my money being spent to place our soldiers in harms way and keeping abunch of dudes in jail who dont know wtf is going on.

also these guys are in Cuba, far from in harms way.

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:49 PM. Reason : !!!!!]

10/29/2006 10:48:30 PM

^^ No I don't know what you CAN do - because you haven't shown me what you CAN do (other than make an ass out of yourself). You've shown me what you CANNOT do, for example, make a rational argument without using personal attacks.

^^^ So now the men who are giving their lives to protect your right to say shit like that are "dishonourable", huh? Now the true feelings of the Saddamocrats and the liberals are beginning to come out. Let's explore some more your feelings that the troops are dishonourable.

^ They thought New York was out of harm's way too. And the Pentagon. Wrong on both counts, huh?

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 10:50 PM. Reason : add]

10/29/2006 10:49:32 PM