At this point it is easy to see that we need to play zone. We need to practice it all the time and play it the entire game. Get over the fact that you come from the nba and like pressure man the fact of the matter is that zone is better for this team. In the Michigan and BC games the entire tide shifted when we switched to zone. the 1-3-1 is nice with horner or grant at the point and the guards on the wings. We could switch between that and a 2-3.

The weaknesses of zones is that they give up the 3 easier and its harder to block out your man. WELL NEWSFLASH. WE CAN'T GET ANY WORSE AT GIVING UP THE 3 OR OREBS ANYWAY.

BC shot like 50% against our man from 3 and alot worse against the zone so maybe our guys are just better at zone. It also takes less energy to play zone and you can hide a guy with foul trouble. This is the only answer and the rebounding will improve once the guys get used to playing zone. We need to stop trying to fastbreak so much and get the rebound first. There were a few times where 2 guys had already croseed halfcourt before we even secured the rebound and BC ended up getting a layup.

Most of our players are long and athletic (grant horner costner fells) or scrappy (atsur and furg) so we cause alot of disruption from a zone. BC really couldn't get anything together and threes can be harder because they usually come in less of a rhythem against a 1-3-1.

There is no doubt in my mind we would have won this game from a zone. Alot like Kansas did.

1/7/2007 4:56:20 PM

oh sweet, a thread

1/7/2007 4:57:52 PM

I'd like to hear Plato and Socrate's opinions on this subject

1/7/2007 4:59:06 PM

Defense and rebounding are big issues.


The biggest problem with our team right now is shooting. We flat out can NOT hit threes. 15% is not gonna cut it.

He needs to pull in the reins on our shooters. We need to be going inside to Ben or slashing with Grant on nearly every play. Fells needs to be posting up, thats the only place he's effective on offense.

The only guy with the green light to shoot should be Atsur.

Costner should never be allowed more than one dribble because he's a walking turnover. He gets the green light from 17 feet and in, its clear he's not a good enough shooter from downtown yet.

1/7/2007 4:59:38 PM

LOCK!!!



Sid won a NCAA title for us and wears flashy suits. thus this thread is out of line and you should be suspended

1/7/2007 4:59:41 PM

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"Defense and rebounding are big issues."

With Herb it was just rebounding we all had a problem with...

1/7/2007 5:02:18 PM

i think we need to play defense

1/7/2007 5:04:49 PM

Quote :

"Costner should never be allowed more than one dribble because he's a walking turnover. He gets the green light from 17 feet and in, its clear he's not a good enough shooter from downtown yet."

what???? if anything we need to do more of the costner trailing pull up deep quick 3s like we do in the late game. kid is money.



and is atsure 100%?

1/7/2007 5:08:15 PM

i'm not sur

1/7/2007 5:13:35 PM

lol

1/7/2007 5:15:37 PM

^^^ No.


His shot selection is horrible.


He can shoot when he gets good looks, the problem is he cant distinguish what a good shot is yet.

3.1 turnovers is unacceptable for how little he has the ball in his hands.

Grant "only" averages 4.8 and he's been playing out of position at PG....

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 5:24 PM. Reason : a]

1/7/2007 5:17:29 PM

I would just like to see any of them SPRINT down the court and dribble the ball at the same time. Or maybe they are sprinting, but they are just so slow it looks like they arent.

1/7/2007 5:24:05 PM

And another thing. DEFENSE. Its played with your knees bent, back slanted, one hand up and one down to take away the cross over. No one on our teams plays defense this way. Our guys run around on their heals standing straight up.

1/7/2007 5:31:02 PM

Quote :

"I'd like to hear Plato and Socrate's opinions on this subject"

ftw

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 5:47 PM. Reason : ]

1/7/2007 5:47:22 PM

Quote :

"At this point it is easy to see that we need to play zone."

we do play zone you bumbling idiot.

1/7/2007 6:10:20 PM

Why don't you post his entire comment/idea you stupid halfwit

Quote :

"We need to practice it all the time and play it the entire game."

Did you not fucking read?

1/7/2007 6:50:16 PM

1/7/2007 6:52:36 PM

Stupid thread. Aristole you need to realize with only 7 scholarship players it will be hard to coach right. Any team with a good amount of depth cna just run us around and be physical with us until we tire. You have to give Lowe atleast 2 or 3 years before you make remarks like that. Plus I am sure if NCSu knew you were able to coach so well they would have hired you instead.

1/8/2007 8:12:16 AM

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"Any team with a good amount of depth can just run us around and be physical with us until we tire. "

and there are teams that will do just that

1/8/2007 8:23:30 AM

Quote :

"its clear he's not a good enough shooter from downtown yet"

costner is .362 from behind the arc. ntm he often comes in with the cluth 3.

1/8/2007 8:49:29 AM

FIRE SIDNEY.

I hear Cowher is looking for a job.

1/8/2007 8:49:52 AM

Quote :

"Stupid thread. Aristole you need to realize with only 7 scholarship players it will be hard to coach right. Any team with a good amount of depth cna just run us around and be physical with us until we tire. You have to give Lowe atleast 2 or 3 years before you make remarks like that. Plus I am sure if NCSu knew you were able to coach so well they would have hired you instead"

I'm just saying notice things that happen in the game and make changes. you can't keep making the same mistakes. Lowe is a hard pressed man to man guy just like coach k. thats just his policy but if you've switched to zone twice in blowouts and it has worked and you aren't defending the 3 or rebounding worth a shit anyway i don't see why you wouldn't swtich to zone. he's more worried about running and getting easy baskets than he is about rebounding and stopping the other team.

1/8/2007 1:53:23 PM

get off Sids nutz

1/8/2007 1:56:17 PM

whatever... he's building these guys into our future of the next couple years you idiot... why play a different game than we are gonna from here on out... you are retarded, stick to other sports... if you know anything about those

1/8/2007 1:57:47 PM

the Team I coach won 71 - 38 yesterday

1/8/2007 1:59:16 PM

and then you turned the xbox off

1/8/2007 2:06:43 PM

^^um maybe to win? i thought you played to win the game? not play to build guys up for next year. fuck that try to win today. I could understand maybe if coach ks man was getting killed he stays in it because its proven over sooo many years but A guy who just started coaching college should not be stubborn in what he does. he should always be lookign for things to change and make better.

1/8/2007 2:12:32 PM

Syracuse fans STILL get pissed at Boeheim when he stays in his zone when teams are lighting it up from the outside..

1/8/2007 2:14:38 PM

^^^ no actually I coach the 16-18 boys basketball team in Kenly

we were 9-3 last year

and i went out and got some guys to improve us this year

1/8/2007 2:23:06 PM

Quote :

"The weaknesses of zones is that they give up the 3 easier and its harder to block out your man. WELL NEWSFLASH. WE CAN'T GET ANY WORSE AT GIVING UP THE 3 OR OREBS ANYWAY."

Retard logic. Actually we can get worse at rebounding and 3 defense. We did when we went to the 1-3-1. There were several plays, especially towards the end of our 1-3-1 and they were figuring it out more, when they got multiple O-rebounds and good looks from three. Why the FUCK do you think Sid got us out of the 1-3-1.

It was a good switch in D at the right time, and helped us swing back close, but they started figuring it out and running better against it, and he switched back at the right time.

I'm fairly certain that Sidney Lowe knows more about defense than Aristotle.

1/8/2007 3:23:27 PM

it will be a LONG season

1/8/2007 3:27:06 PM

What we really need is a bunch of unathletic crackers who play overagressive defense outside the 3 point line, get burnt off the dribble, and hug each other on every traditional three point play.

1/8/2007 3:32:57 PM

Quote :

"With Herb it was just rebounding we all had a problem with..."

with herb we would be losing to Davidson

1/8/2007 3:36:00 PM

Herb's unathletic group at ASU has only been outrebounded once in 15 games (Washington)

AND, his team has an identical conference winning percentage as Sid's team


moral victories

1/8/2007 4:12:23 PM

Another game has passed, same shit....hufffff

clemson had 40 points at half 60 points 30 minutes in and 87 in the game... I mean HELLO??? the defense we are playing does not work. Doesn't matter why it doesn't work, how it doesn't work all that matters is that it doesn't work, hasn't worked all season and we need to learn how to make adjustments and change whats not working. When a team is well on pace for 80 points you've got to do something. Our guys just haven't beed good at chasing guys around the court around screens and every three seems to be wide open/recovering. We aren't rebounding and we aren't really forcing turnovers so theres no reason to be afraid of switching defenses .

Losing games is not what bothers me its how we lose games. I know Atsur is hurt making us shorthanded but we still need to play decent defense. Im sick and tired of the excuses its lame by now. Its bad coaching plain and simple when you don't make adjustments.

0-3

1/9/2007 10:28:42 PM

hard to make adjustments when every man u got is dead beat tired

1/9/2007 10:30:05 PM

^^ Please explain a situation where you would be happy with how we are losing?

Bottom line: the reason we are losing is that we are undermanned, young, and just not very good. You really, really don't need to overanalyze things. You act like you expected us to be good, which is your mistake.

Changing defenses and gameplans just for the sake of changing them is very stupid. Also, contrary to your belief, it could be worse. We could have lost to Clemson by more than 12 points and had no chance to win. At least we kept it relatively close.

You are wrong and your unoriginal, uninformed opinions are not clever or better than Sidney Lowe's well informed ideas about how the game should be played.

1/9/2007 10:36:35 PM

sidney is smarter than both aristotles

1/9/2007 10:52:57 PM

i rather lose by 25 making adjustments that could potentially change the game that lose by 12 doing the same thing that is losing the game the entire game. theres no glory in losing a home game by 12.

michigan game- down by 10 early we switched to a 2-3 zone and there was a 30+ point swing. we stayed in zone and won the game. very next game we were back to man.

boston college-down big in the 2nd half we switched into a 1-3-1 zone. completely disrupted their offense caused a few turnovers and got back into the game.

I don't know how much clear i can make it. Don't respond saying " we don't play zone because we would give up rebounds or threes" because we already are in a man along with everything else. Practice it and play it .

I think he just likes man so much because it gives you more chances to play uptempo and run. It may actually take just as much or less energy to play zone.

Quote :

"we are undermanned, young, and just not very good."

I'm sick of people acting like the team and coaches should just give up and not try to win because we have a young team and aren't deep. Our talent level isn't much different than most of the teams in the acc.

1/9/2007 10:53:03 PM

ok, you are just an idiot when it comes to sports

1/9/2007 10:54:16 PM

I think you fail to realize how hard it is to play zone really

zone takes alot out of you, its like full court pressure...it wears you down, not to mention any team that can shoot well can shoot out of a zone.

this however is your stupid statement

Quote :

"i rather lose by 25 making adjustments that could potentially change the game that lose by 12 doing the same thing that is losing the game the entire game. theres no glory in losing a home game by 12."

obviously if you changed and lost by 25, you made some STUPID changes
id rather not change and be close than make the WRONG changes and lost by more

what an idiotic statement

1/9/2007 10:57:40 PM

Quote :

" obviously if you changed and lost by 25, you made some STUPID changes id rather not change and be close than make the WRONG changes and lost by more what an idiotic statement"

ya thats just where you and me differ then.

theres a chance the changes could work.

you rather stick the course thats already proven to lose you half than switch it up and have a tossup of winning the game or being blown out

its like a 100% chance of losing decently verses a 25% chance of winning 75% chance of getting blown out.

I always would choose to have a CHANCE to win.

Sidney lowe will be out of here once the talent comes in and all you guys get pissed off at it being wasted unless he learns how to coach.


our chances of winning and up tempo game are very slim. we can't give up damn near 90 and expect to win. i know that sounds funny to you but no team/coaching staff should ever play to lose the game. you play to win no matter how bad you are and its not like we're marshall and the whole team just died in a crash. we have 3 guys that could play almost anywhere.

and its not even like these are just random blind changes im suggesting. we played zone twice this year and it worked both times. It should be a no brainer.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 11:07 PM. Reason : meh]

1/9/2007 11:06:08 PM

Your posting style is awfully similar to hcnguyen.. the bold and crappy jokes and what not.

In this case I agree with you to an extent though. I would also rather see him make a change and see what happens. Yeah, we could lose by 20 instead of 10-15 I guess but without making a change we simply don't have the players right now to win more than a game or two..

Personally I would rather our team spend MORE energy on the defensive side of the ball than on offense. A thin and [compared to other ACC teams] unathletic team is better served exerting energy on the defensive side to slow down a game then use it all on the offensive side and try and run with far deeper and more athletic teams. I understand that would make a lot of fans restless because of the last regimes style but I highly doubt Coach Lowe is concerned with that. Duke would have far more than 2 losses if they played as we are offensively and spent less effort on defense..

Though I think you are being a bit hard on Lowe. It's impossible to tell what kind of coach he is right now. I'm no coach and don't claim to know more than him, but some things seem like they might be good ideas to me [and obviously a few others on here].

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 11:13 PM. Reason : last edit..tired.]

1/9/2007 11:11:15 PM

i mean u really need to think about the situation

no PG, thin lineup, no true center..young inexperienced team


there are soooo many reasons why we are playing poorly...now its more of a learning experience and learning what to do later down the road

if those changes dont work and u are gettin blown out more, then change back to what was keepin u closer

its simple and its not
he knows a tonnnnnnnnnnnnn more about coaching than you ever will and i can bet I do as well
plz to stop posting

1/9/2007 11:15:12 PM

Just calm down guys. I can easily see us finishing up top 4 in the conf.

1/9/2007 11:24:10 PM

^lol oh earl we missed ya

1/9/2007 11:27:14 PM

lol

1/9/2007 11:27:54 PM

HE IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB, YOU GUYS SHOULD TELL HERB THANKS FOR LEAVING HIM PROB 3 ACC ROLE PLAYERS TO COACH.

1/9/2007 11:37:15 PM

Quote :

"no PG, thin lineup, no true center..young inexperienced team there are soooo many reasons why we are playing poorly...now its more of a learning experience and learning what to do later down the road"

I think all of those reasons add to it...and we're also a step or two slow on defense (Maybe becuase we're not as athletic or becuase we're tired?)


I still see a lot of the laziness characteristic of Herb's teams in our players. The 'stand around and watch' syndrome. Instead of creating in a halfcourt offense, it seems our players try to force shots instead of moving the ball. Too many times if we don't have an easy shot, we'll just heave a three and the 4 other people will stand around watching it clank off of the rim.

Hopefully when the freshmen get here, they will play uptempo and force these guys to earn thier minutes and work to get their shots. (Or lose minutes)

Overall, this team is busting thier ass and I'm proud to finally see it, but every few posessions you see the laziness that IMO was so characteristic of Herb's teams. We need to create...which is a big change from the past (And is also the #1 reason we need a true point)




[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 11:44 PM. Reason : ]

1/9/2007 11:42:25 PM

^ i'm staying away from that one.....

1/10/2007 12:00:26 AM