This is the country that isn't bound by the restrictions of the Kyoto Protocol.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e7301c1e-b5fc-11db-9eea-0000779e2340.html

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"China blames the west for global warming By Mure Dickie in Beijing Published: February 6 2007 18:07 | Last updated: February 6 2007 18:07 Rich industrialised nations must take the lead in cutting greenhouse gases since they bear the “unshirkable responsibility” for causing global warming, a Chinese official said on Tuesday. The comments by a foreign ministry spokeswoman underscore China’s determination not to allow international action on climate change to undermine its economic development. Rapid economic growth, a huge population and inefficient industry have made China the world’s second largest carbon emitter after the US – new data show that power generating capacity in the country in 2006 expanded by an amount equal to the entire capacity of the UK and Thailand combined. But the country’s per capita emissions have remained far below the global average. “It must be pointed out that climate change has been caused by the long-term historic emissions of developed countries and their high per-capita emissions,” Reuters news agency quoted Jiang Yu, a foreign ministry spokeswoman, at a briefing on Tuesday. “Developed countries bear an unshirkable responsibility,” Ms Jiang said. The United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said last week that human activity was likely to cause global temperatures to rise about 3 degrees celsius by 2100, causing water shortages, heatwaves, storms and floods. Beijing’s top weather bureau official said on Tuesday China was serious about tackling climate change but needs time to introduce the advanced environmental technology available to developed countries. Qin Dahe, head of the China Meteorological Administration, said Chinese per capita emissions in 2000 were just 0.65 tonnes per person - one fifth of levels in Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development countries. There have been recent signs that Beijing is preparing to take a more activist approach on curbing emissions, following a official government enquiry that concluded warming could intensify China’s water shortages and undermine agriculture. “The Chinese government takes the problem of climate change extremely seriously - President Hu Jintao has said that it is not just an environmental issue but a development issue,” Mr Qin said. Wen Jiabao, the premier, was also “very seriously” pushing officials at all levels to achieve the government target of improving energy efficiency by 4 per cent a year, he said. However, the comments by Ms Jiang and Mr Qin offer no encouragement for international critics who feel that China should impose limits on its greenhouse gas emissions. Beijing has been reluctant to discuss what role it might play in carbon curbs after the present provisions of the Kyoto Protocol expire in 2012. Along with India and other developing countries, China was exempted from emissions curbs under the protocol, which was anyway never ratified by the US. Mr Qin made clear that other countries should not expect too much of China. “As a developing country with a fast growing economy and large population, it will require a great deal of money to completely change the energy structure and adopt clean energy,” he said. China would “need time” to catch up with the US, Europe and Japan in the use of clean energy technology, he said. Chinese analysts have in the past expressed disappointment with the level of environmental technology transfer, a key goal of the Kyoto Protocol. However, Beijing is benefiting from trading schemes set up under the protocol that are intended to find the most efficient ways to cut total emissions by allowing companies and countries to buy “carbon credits” that represent reductions achieved in China. Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007"

2/7/2007 6:51:37 AM

This coming from the country that has green rivers and building one coal powered energy facility a week? While I don't think they deserve a free pass to follow in the footsteps of west of raping the environment in the name of progress they are becoming just as culpable in any effect we (humans) are having on our atmosphere.

2/7/2007 7:32:41 AM

Environmentalists argue that since China is currently rebuilding a lot of its infrastructure, now would be the time to incorporate new, green technologies. The small problem being price of course.

2/7/2007 10:44:56 AM

i mean, the article does have some truth behind it

and the USA has dropped teh ball with the Bush administration with us not taking the lead to be a cleaner country

i agree too that China shouldnt get a free pass and help with this since they use so many fossil fuels

2/7/2007 10:57:50 AM

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"This is the country that isn't bound by the restrictions of the Kyoto Protocol."

what?

oh, you mean that protocol that the United States refuses to sign or abide by?

wait....


what was your point again?

2/7/2007 11:34:04 AM

^ That's one of the main reasons the United States didn't sign it, schmoe!

2/7/2007 11:48:19 AM

Because if other big polluters get a free pass then damnit we want one too!!!

2/7/2007 6:29:33 PM

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"^ That's one of the main reasons the United States didn't sign it, schmoe!"

correct

you, schmoe, are an idiot

2/7/2007 7:01:45 PM

The accusation isn't wrong, but that doesn't give China a free pass to pollute as much as it wants.

[Edited on February 7, 2007 at 7:34 PM. Reason : GRAMMAR NINJA ATTACK!]

2/7/2007 7:33:52 PM

fuck China.

I wouldn't sign shit if China got a free pass.

2/7/2007 9:03:09 PM

FUCK CHINA Oh it not our probrem. Fuck you Mr. Bush Fuck you! We go smoke chopstick cigarette and buy ten billion cars now.

[Edited on February 8, 2007 at 1:50 AM. Reason : FUCK CHINA AGAIN. DON'T GO OUT WITH THEIR WOMEN.]

2/8/2007 1:49:34 AM

sounds like typical crap that comes out of these countries (china, venezuela, etc)


because all it does is stir up the people here and promote political agendas

2/8/2007 9:47:47 AM

yeah, stirring up people and pushing agendas is only ok if those people are towel heads

2/8/2007 9:49:36 AM

^ for example



(I didn't say anything about that, douche)

2/8/2007 9:50:26 AM

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"The comments by a foreign ministry spokeswoman underscore China’s determination not to allow international action on climate change to undermine its economic development."

aka - fuck you and fuck the world we do what we want

2/8/2007 10:06:31 AM

With talk like that it is baffling how China and the Bush administration aren't the bestest of friends.

2/8/2007 10:16:30 AM

I know its Kim Jong Il, but this made me think of :

Hans Brix, OH NO!!!

Fuck you Hans Brix!

[Edited on February 8, 2007 at 11:13 AM. Reason : .]

2/8/2007 11:12:40 AM

I'm bumping this thread to encourage anyone who's interested in Chinese culture (or the complete lack thereof) to read the book China Wakes. It's pretty much horrifying how gullible and corrupt that whole country is.

2/9/2007 9:35:26 PM

according to a poll that was referenced on the radio today 2 months after we invaded Iraq 80% of the country believed Iraq and Al Qaeda were working together.

2/9/2007 9:38:15 PM

>.<

2/9/2007 10:08:32 PM

so wait. global warming will cause flooding, but there will be water shortages... eh? irony is a bitch!

2/10/2007 12:52:13 AM

So they're trying to tell us that two different regions of the earth can have two different climates?

NO WAI

2/10/2007 1:20:32 AM

just remember. 70 degree januaries are proof positive of Global Warming. OMFG!!!

2/10/2007 1:28:09 AM

Who's said that?

2/10/2007 1:32:02 AM

When they stop killing their baby girls, I'll start giving two shits about them...

Until then, I'll continue to hope they all die, in spite of all the cultural relativism I've learned about.

[Edited on February 10, 2007 at 1:34 AM. Reason : FUCK THEM ALL.]

2/10/2007 1:34:14 AM

^^ dumb cunt in the Technician today. I almost spat up my grits when I read that.

but naw, I understand how Global Warming could cause water shortages. I just thought it was ironic. It's up there w/ the snowball earth result in ironies

2/10/2007 1:35:59 AM

US-China Economic and Security Review Commission
August 3-4, 2006 testimony

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"Thank you. I want to say how much I appreciate and support this Commission. Your hard work has given us the information we need to get an accurate picture of the very puzzling issue of China’s growth. I have long followed your work, and continue to utilize your expertise. Last year I gave four floor speeches on China’s growing global influence and the impact this has on our national security. These issues covered a broad spectrum, from alarming military modernization to the lack of economic accountability. I testified before this Commission--it was a very concerning picture then, and while the media has turned its attention to other issues, the threat continues to grow. China is sustaining a 10% economic growth for some years now. Their oil consumption (and need) continues to rise exponentially, doubling and doubling again. China’s military spending growth has been in the double-digits for almost two decades, and that isn’t including large portions that we know they are hiding."

Senator James M. Inhofe

http://www.uscc.gov/hearings/2006hearings/written_testimonies/06_08_3_4wrts/06_08_3_4_inhofr_senator_statement.php

2/10/2007 2:47:07 AM

^ No one wants to address the fact that China is NOT a strategic partner, but rather, a real and growing threat? And that their anti-US propaganda should be summarily dismissed?

2/10/2007 7:49:29 PM

Who's fearmongering now?

2/10/2007 9:15:34 PM

^ monger: "1. a person who is involved with something in a petty or contemptible way [usually used in combination]: a gossipmonger. 2. to sell; hawk."

Concerning fear, none of the above apply to me. I suggest you look up:

reality: "1. the state or quality of being real. 2. a real thing or fact."

Once again:

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"China’s military spending growth has been in the double-digits for almost two decades, and that isn’t including large portions that we know they are hiding."

[Edited on February 11, 2007 at 2:00 AM. Reason : ]

2/11/2007 1:58:04 AM

And? And? And? Should we preimptively attack them too just to be safe? Some people see climate change as a real threat, you see China as a real threat yet the former are fearmongers....

2/11/2007 5:26:53 AM

^ Im having a hard time seeing how any attack at this point could be construed as pre-emptive. Preventive, perhaps but really not pre-emptive.

2/11/2007 9:25:14 AM

funny how some americans give all americans a bad name.

some assholes have pointed out horrible/wrong/"anti-US" things about china, but fail to see similar or worse things in the US.

2/11/2007 12:28:54 PM

Duh! Because we are good and they are bad!

2/11/2007 1:04:20 PM

^^ hahaha I tired to figure out what that meant but I couldnt

2/11/2007 1:53:40 PM

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"Preventive, perhaps but really not pre-emptive."

That same level of paranoia was applied to Iraq. How did that turn out?

2/11/2007 3:56:29 PM

^That same concept was applied by Chamberlain. How did that turn out?

see anybody can do that.

2/11/2007 4:00:35 PM

^^ It didnt turn out so hot. But no matter how many times people said that iraq was pre-emptive did not make it so, it was preventive at best.

2/11/2007 4:24:23 PM

"preimptively"

[Edited on February 11, 2007 at 6:03 PM. Reason : Before imps.]

2/11/2007 5:48:28 PM

^x9 PS: Maybe you should continue doing this:

2/11/2007 6:18:03 PM

So let's just go around invading every country because someday they may pose a threat to us.

2/11/2007 6:37:48 PM

that is preventive, not pre-emptive. that is all that I have been trying to say. for the record Im not advocating that we invade anyone in this thread.

2/11/2007 7:02:59 PM

actually its neither.

2/11/2007 7:04:59 PM

^^^ So, are you admitting that invasion is the only answer to a threatening nation?

2/11/2007 7:13:40 PM

hooksaw is a baby-killing raping ugly fucking bastard.

he will get what's due to him one day.

2/11/2007 7:34:58 PM

^^ Sarcasm, it's what's for dinner.

2/11/2007 8:29:30 PM

^^ and ^ --on the lips.

2/11/2007 9:34:00 PM

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"nvironmentalists argue that since China is currently rebuilding a lot of its infrastructure, now would be the time to incorporate new, green technologies. The small problem being price of course."

Heard a report on this a while back on NPR where IKEA was putting pressure on loggers and manufacturers to move to green technology in China, and it actually worked, since they're so set on expanding and maintaining trade with the West.

2/12/2007 1:10:40 AM

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"China’s military spending growth has been in the double-digits for almost two decades, and that isn’t including large portions that we know they are hiding."

^ Well, as long as they have a "Green" philosophy--until the war starts. Please STFU.

2/12/2007 1:48:10 AM

ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO KILL SOME CHINESE PEOPLE?

Stop supporting the Chinese- throw out your computer and all its parts.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 1:50 AM. Reason : .]

2/12/2007 1:49:02 AM