I am looking at a 46" or 42" samsung or Sony LCD or plasma flat screen.

I lilke to watch sports/play video games.

Which do you techies suggest?

2/12/2007 11:49:15 PM

people suggest the same things they have in the 100 other threads on this same topic

2/12/2007 11:50:08 PM

2/12/2007 11:51:45 PM

unless you want your life meter burned into the tee vee right next to the ESPN logo, i suggest you go with LCD

2/12/2007 11:58:30 PM

Plasma

Don't waste your money with an LCD.

2/13/2007 12:09:16 AM

^ agreed. most games, movies and tvs are suited to avoid burn in.

my plasma shifts the screen a little bit every few minutes and it's not visible most of the time.

def. plasma imo.

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2/13/2007 12:37:52 AM

In that size range I'd definately suggest plasma. Smaller and you can find some amazing deals on 32" LCD's, but at 42+" plasma is your best bet.

2/13/2007 12:39:35 AM

Plasma.

2/13/2007 1:26:42 AM

I have a samsung 40" 1080p lcd and wouldn't trade it for the world.

my new tv+stereo+hd-dvd = DROOL!

2/13/2007 9:31:51 AM

the black levels really havent bothered me with my lcd thus far. shrug. im sure either would be fine, but even with a low risk of burnin, it is a chance id ont want to take.

2/13/2007 9:35:51 AM

2/13/2007 9:38:13 AM

I adjust my lcd as needed usually i just leave energy saver @ max but if for some reason there is a bad glare on it i'll turn energy saver off and it will be as bright as can be but the blacks turn into a charcoal grey but you wouldn't be able to see a true black through the glare anyway.
If the room is dark i turn energy saver to max and it gets as black as i've ever seen.

2/13/2007 9:57:37 AM

The beauty of a plasma is that your colors can be obscenely bright while your blacks stay black.

Vivid mode on my Panasonic is worse than looking into the sun.

2/13/2007 10:48:35 AM

crt hdtv ftw

2/13/2007 11:01:27 AM

i agree but there is a point of "vividness" that everything starts to look like a video game.

ohh and crt ftl big..heavy ugly but... good picture
not to mention lcds are better for accidentally leaving on for a while because they do not burn in and do not use nearly the power of a crt.


[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 11:27 AM. Reason : .]

2/13/2007 11:24:31 AM

yeah i am about to upgrade to an lcd

anyone interested in a 30" 16:9 philips crt hdtv that is about 1 year. $550

[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 11:30 AM. Reason : re]

2/13/2007 11:29:30 AM

life is a video game... you just can't respawn when you die...

2/13/2007 4:14:39 PM

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"Plasma LCD Don't waste your money with an LCD plasma."

I've dealt extensively with both. Where i work I sell lots of electronics, including TVs. I can tell you without any question that what you need to get is an LCD . Anyone who suggests otherwise-- without asking in deep detail about your desired uses and intentions for this tv-- is completely ignorant of the situation.

2/13/2007 4:24:46 PM

i've used two tv's, a hdtv crt sony and a sharp aquos with that vikuti film.

the aquos was the best looking lcd, but if money is a concern, get the crt.

2/13/2007 4:42:45 PM

Speaking of which, are any of the Sony televisions any good these days? I mean, Sony in general has been on the decline in quality and seemed to be floating on their long-standing reputation. Is it worth paying the extra markup they charge for the Sony name?

2/13/2007 6:01:34 PM

plasmas used to have better color and real black, not gray looking stuff. Now LCDs are approaching the same contrast ratios, will not burn in, and have a much longer life expectancy, and you cannot see the spaces between the pixels like on most plasmas. So IMO, the decision should be to get an LCD, but some people disagree

2/13/2007 6:10:33 PM

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"I've dealt extensively with both. Where i work I sell lots of electronics, including TVs. I can tell you without any question that what you need to get is an LCD . Anyone who suggests otherwise-- without asking in deep detail about your desired uses and intentions for this tv-- is completely ignorant of the situation."

Post again when you stop selling a product and start owning a product. I've yet to walk into a single store that has a plasma even remotely close to being configured properly.

The only reason why a plasma might not be better for a consumer is if that consumer plays a lot of video games with static images due to the fear (as horribly over-exaggerated as it may be in this day and age) of burn in.

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"plasmas used to have better color and real black, not gray looking stuff. Now LCDs are approaching the same contrast ratios, will not burn in, and have a much longer life expectancy, and you cannot see the spaces between the pixels like on most plasmas. So IMO, the decision should be to get an LCD, but some people disagree"

First off, it's not as though they stopped having better color and better blacks. They still will and will continue to as long as the mainstream way of lighting an LCD is sticking a bright light behind a transparent panel. Also, you talk about all these advances in LCD technology though completely ignore the pixel shifting and other upgrades to plasma technology to reduce the risk of burn in. I also don't know what kind of cheap plasmas you're looking at that you'd see screen door on from a normal, if not relatively close, viewing distance.

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2/13/2007 8:04:36 PM

plasma with pixel shifting ftw

2/13/2007 8:07:13 PM

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2/13/2007 8:10:02 PM

Tech Talk is the best resource on the internet to find unbiased opinions on whether you should buy a LCD or Plasma TV.

2/14/2007 12:19:49 AM

Plasmas can display more colors than LCDs and have better dynamic range than LCDs, and they look a TON better on non-HD content, which is what you'll mostly be watching for the next couple of years.

The primary reason to get an LCD is if you do a lot of gaming (like 2-3 hours EVERY day), but for casual gamers (1-2 hours every other day or so), you're perfectly fine with a plasma. Even for heavy gaming, any image retention can fade after a bout of not gaming or playing a different game.

LCDs generally have higher peak brightness, but this is usually a gimmick to mask the less good color range. And plasmas also have a better viewing angle.

2/14/2007 12:24:30 AM

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"Post again when you stop selling a product and start owning a product. "

Um, I guess taht would be now, or even my original post since I do own a 50" LCD tv myself.

^I agree a lot with what you said, however, with a plamsa you're losing more of your investment. Plasma decreases in intensity with time. Those insane brights and those nice colors you're talking about won't last forever. what are you going to do when those colors fade in three years or four years...oh, wait, nothing, because you can't with a plamsa. on the other hand with a lcd screen you can replace the bulb for only $200 and be back good as new. If you're pumping that much cash into a system you might as well base your decision on your return over the length of your investment. plasma just doesn't cut it.

2/14/2007 11:52:34 AM

i was under the impression lcd backlights cost more than that, unless you mean lcd projo, which is a diff beast

[Edited on February 14, 2007 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

2/14/2007 12:16:26 PM

^depends on where you get them.

2/14/2007 12:19:10 PM

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"Plasma decreases in intensity with time. Those insane brights and those nice colors you're talking about won't last forever. what are you going to do when those colors fade in three years or four years...oh, wait, nothing, because you can't with a plamsa. on the other hand with a lcd screen you can replace the bulb for only $200 and be back good as new. If you're pumping that much cash into a system you might as well base your decision on your return over the length of your investment. plasma just doesn't cut it."

Plasmas nowadays are up to about 60,000 hours until half life (when they're half as bright as when they started, which is already way too bright).

60,000 hours, keep in mind is a television being on about 6.85 years nonstop.

So how many times are you going to be shelling out $200 a pop for a new bulb during those 60,000 hours?

2/14/2007 1:16:28 PM

PLASMA... an lcds reproduction of color is too vibrant and bright... not to mention its viewing angle isnt as good

plasma has a warmer color that is more accurate

I couldn't be happier with mine...

2/14/2007 2:03:21 PM

I have two Plasmas, one is a Pioneer Elite, the other is a Panasonic. The colors on the Panasonic look a little more washed out than the Pioneer. My girlfriend has a Sharp LCD, and I think it looks better than the Panasonic, but not as good as the Pioneer. My only gripe about my plasmas vs. her LCD is the huge glare on the plasmas. I have tons of windows where I live, and I see everything. Her matted display on the LCD gives no reflections, even though she has just as many windows as I do.

2/14/2007 2:22:19 PM

^agreed.

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"So how many times are you going to be shelling out $200 a pop for a new bulb during those 60,000 hours? "

once. Given the 60,000 hour esitamte, which isn't something i was aware of then i could see a plasma being a reasonable purchase, but i still don't know if i could justify the price difference between the two. As far as the viewing angle, in my living room we use a wrap around couch and I've noticed no spots within that entire area where the picture is anything less than amazing. Sure, it may be capable of being view at larger angles, but it doesn't really come up that often so i dont think that should be a deciding factor. If you're giong to compare apples to apples (read: same price) then you should go with an LCD. If you ahve some money to throw around, then go plasma.

./thread

2/14/2007 3:24:24 PM

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" If you're giong to compare apples to apples (read: same price) then you should go with an LCD. If you ahve some money to throw around, then go plasma."

I'm not sure what rock you're living under -- especially considering you say you're selling these things -- but Plasmas and LCDs are pretty much neck and neck in pricing these days.

2/14/2007 3:57:51 PM

You're definitely mistaken, or have a very elementary level education about the specs between the two sets. When takling screens worth buying (50" and up) and going feature for feature, you'll have a lower price with a comprable lcd always.

2/14/2007 4:12:20 PM

You don't happen to work with the kid who was trying to pass off a $600 HDMI cable as a worthwhile investment, do you?

The only argument you could even have is that LCDs can do 1080p while Plasmas can't. Personally, I'll take a better black level and color reproduction over pixel count any day.

Good luck finding a 50"+ LCD for under 3,000. A 50" plasma, meanwhile, is generally more around $2,500 these days.

2/14/2007 4:26:12 PM

I don't buy HDMI cables for over 10 dollars and the blacks on my screen are even with the letter box bars. thanks for your chachma. shalom achim.

2/14/2007 4:34:11 PM

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"the blacks on my screen are even with the letter box bars."

What does that have to do with a damn thing?
How does tww continue to land these fucktard salesmen anyways?

2/15/2007 8:02:33 AM

i also have to mention i got an lcd because it will also be used as a computer monitor and if there is any chance of burn in... displaying a desktop when i accidentally leave it on will probably do it.

and seriously if i had a decent camera i'd take pictures of my sammy 1080 lcd i have NEVER seen a better picture especially not on full 1080p content (hd-dvd)

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 8:24 AM. Reason : .]

2/15/2007 8:23:18 AM

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"What does that have to do with a damn thing? How does tww continue to land these fucktard salesmen anyways?"

Acutally, the letter bars is a very important aspect when considering how black the true black is for a TV. Check CNET, they'll explain all of that to you.

However much of a 'fucktard' serious is, he apparently knows more than you.

As for the question in the topic, its not very specific. But if you're going LCD panel vs Plasma Panel then get a plasma. If you're going LCD projection vs plasma, then depending on your space requirements get a lcd projection if you can fit it.

2/15/2007 8:55:10 AM

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"Acutally, the letter bars is a very important aspect when considering how black the true black is for a TV. Check CNET, they'll explain all of that to you. However much of a 'fucktard' serious is, he apparently knows more than you."

Learn to read, ace. He doesn't say that his bars are true black. He says is that "the blacks on my screen are even with the letter box bars."

Which is a retardedly obvious statement to make. And is not impressive at all, considering his letterbox bars are more than likely some shade of gray and not black.

2/15/2007 9:21:40 AM

that one confused me as well

2/15/2007 9:26:15 AM

You people are idiots. You will grab straws in order to attempt to find something wrong with whatever someone who disagrees with you says. I was going at his statement from the point of reference of my television, which happens to be a LCD projection. My blacks are a true black and when its a night shot on the screen you can't tell the difference between where the bars end and the night scene begins. Thats how a television is supposed to be and is used as a point of reference in some cnet articles. Seeing as how he said he sales electronics or televisions and/or whatever I would assume that he is aware of that and also wouldn't brag about his bar coloring matching up with the blacks on his screen if it wasn't a true black. If you want to troll on someone for trivial mistakes or for not entirely covering themselves with specifics all at once, then go to chit chat, ace.

Since you said that statment that the letterbox and the blacks on the screen matched then why would CNET make a point to mention that if its so obvious?

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"The disc we chose to use for this evaluation was the dark, stylized, and razor-sharp The Chronicles of Riddick HD-DVD played through the Toshiba HD-A1. The Sony immediately impressed us with its depth of black; as the Necromongers' ships wheel toward the planet, for example, the blackness of space behind the star field matched the black of the letterbox bars, and both appeared positively inky next to that of the"

Answer that one, little buddy.

[Edited on February 15, 2007 at 9:46 AM. Reason : .]

2/15/2007 9:38:34 AM

i too have true black with ZERO clouding with my samsung lcd.

2/15/2007 9:40:26 AM

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"i too have true black with ZERO clouding with my samsung lcd."

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"Acutally, the letter bars is a very important aspect when considering how black the true black is for a TV. Check CNET, they'll explain all of that to you."

exactly

and...

^x4

As I mentioned earlier you clearly have a very entry level understanding of consumer grade electronics. I would continue to discuss this with you, but it'd be a waste of time. at the end of the day youd still be wrong and id be frustrated.

2/15/2007 10:27:29 AM

You guys are all morons.

Ill spend some more time later when i get a chance to explain why. Until then come up with more CNET articles so I can explain them to you. I don't want to leave any stone unturned when i filter through your entire fucking quarry of incorrect and flawed comments regarding a tvs black level.

Keep in mind the televisions i personally own are a D-ILA front projector, and a CRT front projection. Besides projectors which i own, my room mate has a plasma. When I display a black image on the CRT projector you can not tell it is even on (the room is pitch black). Go display something black on your LCD and turn out the lights. THen turn the screen off. Is there a difference? Report back with your findings.

2/15/2007 6:14:52 PM

Next we can discuss the measurement of the trade

2/15/2007 9:50:29 PM

Quinn pm me some recommendations for a flat screen for the bedroom. i'm buying a new townhouse and turning an extra bedroom closet into a tv/cable room and running everything in there. i'm guessing around 32" or something, but it's a relatively small room so i want a good picture quality for my secondary tv room .

2/15/2007 10:09:30 PM

CRT

34XBR960

2/15/2007 10:29:59 PM

is that sony model wall mountable? i've read mixed things on that one on avsforum.

2/15/2007 10:38:53 PM