Wouldn't reactionary Islam be more appropriate since they are advocating a return to the original message of Islam?

2/18/2007 1:22:09 AM

why the fuck does this matter in the slightest?

2/18/2007 2:35:30 AM

Well, you know, it's like "Radical Republicans"...

[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 9:41 AM. Reason : People just think it means "extreme" and not "shooting off to the left"]

2/18/2007 9:41:32 AM

why not evangelical islam?

2/18/2007 9:49:34 AM

^If you are trying to relate islam to christianity, you dont know what you are talking about.

They are called "radical" because they interpret all of their text to the letter. Kill the infidels, ect......

No evangelical christian interprets the old testament of the bible word for word. The new testament on the other hand (the books with Jesus incase you dont know), is followed. Do you hear any Christians walking around saying, "kill all those against God", because it is in there if you look....

2/18/2007 10:13:10 AM

I really don't think most of us in here have enough knowledge about Islam or are in the position to answer this question.

2/18/2007 1:35:44 PM

^^yes. they live in Idaho, and bomb government buildings.

What about that guy who ran to the hills in NC after bombing like 5 abortion clinics. I guess that wasnt a terrorist act since he isnt arab?

2/18/2007 1:41:44 PM

This should just call it "Islam." AMIRITE?! [rimshot!]

2/18/2007 1:50:45 PM

IRA

2/18/2007 1:55:09 PM

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"No evangelical christian interprets the old testament of the bible word for word."

o rly?

I've met quite a few. Or at least they think they do.

2/18/2007 2:04:55 PM

I met an old lady that said she "didn't drank" because Jesus said "not to"

I then politely reminded her that even Jesus drank wine

Needless to say that it surprising how one small statement can throw into a tailspin 60 odd years of factual ignorance

2/18/2007 2:09:53 PM

Radical and reactionary refer to movement relative to the current status quo.

Even if it's radical movement backwards, it's still radical.

2/18/2007 2:25:57 PM

^^ how do people who "read every word of the bible" miss shit like that. honestly. some people amaze me.

2/18/2007 2:41:26 PM

Because they don't understand the King's English.

2/18/2007 2:46:01 PM

as for the alcohol thing, a lot of people say that Jesus drank "new wine"- i.e. not fermented yet. I don't subscribe to this theory myself, but a lot of people do.

2/18/2007 7:11:01 PM

^grape juice?

2/18/2007 7:59:03 PM

hahaha Jesus didn't drink alcohol

ahahahaha

god damn some these Protestants are total fucking rubes
Jesus was probably a white guy too

2/19/2007 10:19:41 AM

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"Wouldn't reactionary Islam be more appropriate"

Let's ask Nick Berg about the nuance.

2/19/2007 10:34:03 AM

^^ blond hair blue eyes and all

2/19/2007 10:57:39 AM

also he wore a toga

2/19/2007 11:11:06 AM

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"^^yes. they live in Idaho, and bomb government buildings. What about that guy who ran to the hills in NC after bombing like 5 abortion clinics. I guess that wasnt a terrorist act since he isnt arab?"

thats called an incident

Radical Islam is a Movement

2/19/2007 12:46:26 PM

hahahahahhahah
yeah ok.

i guess the crusades were just an incident too

2/19/2007 12:49:12 PM

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

2/19/2007 1:48:18 PM

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"No evangelical christian interprets the old testament of the bible word for word. The new testament on the other hand (the books with Jesus incase you dont know), is followed. Do you hear any Christians walking around saying, "kill all those against God", because it is in there if you look.... "

i guess the inquisition and all the killings during the reformations was just fairy tails. Even in modern day the killing of muslims in the balkans.

but i agree the the crazy terrorists in the middle east do take the cake this day in age

[Edited on February 20, 2007 at 11:58 AM. Reason : l]

[Edited on February 20, 2007 at 11:59 AM. Reason : l]

2/20/2007 11:58:01 AM

comparing the modern age to the middle ages is fucking retarded...

2/20/2007 1:06:55 PM

saying that Islam is a violent religion and christianity is peaceful is just as dumb

2/20/2007 1:08:16 PM

denying that islam is a violent religion is even dumber

2/20/2007 1:14:31 PM

denying that most muslims are peaceful is even dumber than that

2/20/2007 1:16:25 PM

no i think denying that islam is violent is about the dumbest thing possible

dont get offended and blow yourself up in protest!

2/20/2007 1:17:45 PM

both islam and christianity have violent and peaceful aspects. the vast majorities of the followers of both religions are peaceful, normal people.

to act like islam is a religion that is inherently more violent than any other religion is ignorant.

2/20/2007 1:31:52 PM

Buddhism? They generally only set themselves on fire.

2/20/2007 1:50:38 PM

^^i completely agree that most people of all groups are peaceful and that each group has their own individual bad apples

but i do think modern day radical islam IS more violent than any other religion nowadays with comparable size

i mean the christian right might be crazy idiots but i dont recall seeing them preaching on tv to all their followers that they should commit any type of genocide on jews or americans

[Edited on February 20, 2007 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/20/2007 3:55:57 PM

Check out Jesus Camp. It's pretty close. She pretty much advocates instilling the same values into christian children as they do in suicide bombers.

2/20/2007 3:58:03 PM

well thats pretty fucked up...and if it is what you say it is, part of the reason i havent heard of it is probably because the US is unofficially a Christian nation

however Iran's leader as well as Al Queda folks have preached their messages of death over Al Jazeera and other huge networks to massive audiences...I'm sure Jesus Camp does similar things but I don't recall them ever getting as large a platform to spread their hatred

2/20/2007 4:01:00 PM

Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of Chavez among other things?

Other fundie preachers spouting hateful rhetoric against homosexuals and non-believers?

It may not be the same as killing someone with a bomb, but when you're helping influence foreign policy of the worlds largest economy then withholding money can have huge implications with foreign aid.

Look at the numbers of people that starved to death in Iraq.

2/20/2007 4:10:39 PM

but theres a difference in hateful rhetoric, and telling all your fellow muslims that its their duty to kill

2/20/2007 4:14:02 PM

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"Christian Terrorists Kill 44, Wound 118 in Attacks in Northeast India GUWAHATI, India (AFP) October 2, 2004 Some 44 people were killed and 118 wounded in three nearly simultaneous bomb blasts Saturday morning in Dimapur, Nagaland's commercial hub, in what a top official called the "worst ever terrorist strike" in the tiny state's history. Gunmen in neighbouring Assam state later killed 15 villagers and injured a dozen more, police said. "There were limbs everywhere and blood was splattered all over," said student leader T. Zheviho who was at crowded Dimapur railway station where one bomb exploded as passengers awaited a train. Two other bombs went off in the Hong Kong market, which sells Chinese goods, and an adjacent market. "I had a miraculous escape," Zheviho told AFP by telephone from Dimapur, 70 kilometers (45 miles) east of Nagaland capital Kohima. Police said the plastic explosive RDX appeared to have been used in the railway blast that created a huge crater beside a platform. "We found a briefcase with fuse wires... it contained RDX and a timer-device," V. Peseyie, Dimapur additional police chief, said. Seventeen more people were killed in a wave of attacks in neighbouring Assam, police said. Unidentified attackers raked shoppers with gunfire at a marketplace in Makri Jhora village, 290 kilometres (180 miles) west of Assam's main city of Guwahati, killing 11 and injuring about a dozen, police said. The same gunmen later shot dead four more villagers in a nearby forest, police superintendent L. R. Bishnoi told AFP. Two more people were killed and 10 injured in two blasts in the Assamese district of Bongaingaon, 220 kilometres (136 miles) from Guwahati, Bishnoi said. One person was killed and seven wounded in an earlier bomb blast in Assam. Police also reported two other bombings in a village on the outskirts of Guwahati in which four people were injured. There were no immediate claims of responsibility for the day of bloodshed in the insurgency-infested northeast where some 30 guerrilla groups are battling for greater autonomy or independence. The attacks occurred as India marked the 135th anniversary of the birth of Mahatma Gandhi who waged a campaign of non-violence to free the country from British rule. "It is distressing such violence broke out on the birth anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi," Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in the capital New Delhi. Nagaland's ill-equipped hospitals battled to treat the wounded. "Many have multiple face and abdomen wounds. They're in a state of trauma. We're trying to cope. We've never had such a devastating emergency," said doctor T. Lotha at a private hospital in Dimapur treating blast victims. Nagaland Chief Minister Neibhiu Rio said at least 26 people were killed in the Dimapur blasts and another 86 were in hospital. "The death toll may go up as many are in a very critical condition," he said. "This is the worst ever terrorist strike in Nagaland. People are still dealing with the shock -- they're not yet thinking about who to blame." Mourners crowded churches across Nagaland, which is mostly Christian, to pray for the victims. The blasts were the second major burst of violence in the northeast since mid-August. Fifteen people, many of them children, were killed in a rebel attack on an Independence Day parade in Assam August 15 for which the United Liberation Front of Asom claimed responsibility. The armed insurgency in Nagaland began soon after much of the local population converted to Christianity. Many militant groups, seeking to secede from India to form an independent Christian state, are funded and armed by the Southern Baptist Church. Some of the groups such as the National Liberation Front of Tripura have been involved in a campaign of “gunpoint conversions” and “ethnic cleansing” of native non-Christians, which has left over 50,000 dead and many more refugees over the past two decades."

2/20/2007 4:40:18 PM

two things:

1. according to the article, nobody has claimed responsibility...so why does the article say "Christian Terrorists"

2. can you even begin to fathom the outrage if the article was titled "Muslim Terrorists"

2/20/2007 4:44:52 PM

Because if you do a simple google search you can see that there is an active christian terrorist group in that area.

2/20/2007 4:50:24 PM

I can look in the last paragraph of the article and see that the shit has been going on for years

But what I asked about was this instance...where the title of the article says "Christian Terrorists Kill 44" even though:

a. theres no link
b. theres nothing in the article to indicate who did this particular attack except for the title
c. most of the people killed were themselves Christians

does not compute

2/20/2007 4:57:16 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3710318.stm

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"In addition the group protests the current script of the Bodo language written in the Devnagri script. The NDFB is primarly comprised of Christians who prefer the Roman script."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ndfb.htm

So basically they are seperatist terroists who are Christian.

2/20/2007 6:21:12 PM

That sounds more like a nationalist movement that happens to be made up of a Christian minority than a religiously driven ideological battle (kind of like the Christian-on-Christian violence in Northern Ireland).

2/20/2007 10:14:38 PM

northern ireland was, at least in part, an idealogical battle. the whole point of referencing it is that it is very very similar to sunni shiite violence.

2/20/2007 10:18:52 PM

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"(kind of like the Christian-on-Christian violence in Northern Ireland)."

Kind of like the Muslim on Muslim violence in Iraq

2/20/2007 10:20:40 PM

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"2. can you even begin to fathom the outrage if the article was titled "Muslim Terrorists""

google search for "muslim terrorists" brings up 507,000 results. hahaha

also you're some how saying that there is no christian terrorist movement. Muslims and Christians alike enjoying fucking up the general population of those they oppose.

2/20/2007 10:30:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Liberation_Front_of_Asom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagaland

2/20/2007 11:10:26 PM

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"also you're some how saying that there is no christian terrorist movement"

just cause you like having dicks forced into your mouth doesnt mean i like you putting words in my mouth

ok maybe that was mean (it was)...well i apologize...but how about this:

the fact that you:

a. cant find anything in the article that says the referenced incident was committed by christian terrorists given the article title, even though there are christian terrorists are in the area and IN THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE...i mean they could at least say "so and so christian group is likely to be responsible" but no

and

b. dont find a problem with the article's title saying "Christian Terrorists Kill 44" yet the article having ZERO MENTION of Christians causing this incident

shows me you are not really concerned with the true or false aspects of the whole incident

let alone you didnt even post a link in the first place...why not? is it because the souce would be perceived as extremely biased? im just wondering why you didnt post the link

2/20/2007 11:22:00 PM

because he was lazy? it's not that hard to find.

also, if it's a local paper (can't remember) it might be common knowledge that it was christian terrorists and maybe they just didn't translate it to make it more PC or general knowledge for someone bent on saying christians are infallible like you.

2/21/2007 9:29:47 AM

i didnt post the link on purpose because I knew everyone would bust a nut regardless.

this is a stupid argument because I hate terrorists.

why do you support Christian terrorists?

2/21/2007 9:47:06 AM

jnpaul is a christian terrorist:

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2/21/2007 10:34:33 AM