So, the democrats in washington are pushing bills through the house and senate that have deadlines for troops to be home by such and such a date. I thought the President was CinC. Why isn't anyone raising a stink about this blatant disregard for the Constitution?

3/27/2007 1:42:27 PM

dear god.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 1:43 PM. Reason : [lock]]

3/27/2007 1:42:56 PM

because no one in congress has the balls to do it the way the constitution allows them to: cut funding.

3/27/2007 2:13:29 PM

and until they grow said balls, they need to shut the fuck up.

3/27/2007 2:13:59 PM

I'm firmly against the war, but cutting funding w/o a direct withdrawl (which the prez won't do) would be a huge disservice to our troops.

3/27/2007 2:15:02 PM

then they need to shut the fuck up and quit trying to be commander in chief. They are not and never were supposed to dictate actions by the US military overseas.


They can cut funding.

3/27/2007 2:17:50 PM

yeah, then they'd be made out to look like the bad guys.....that's smart politics.

3/27/2007 2:20:38 PM

oh so you at least admit it's politics.


what happened to principle?

3/27/2007 2:29:37 PM

^^ As opposed to making ineffectual, and constitution violating laws?

This is the problem with politicians, they're too concerned with how they look and not with what they're doing. And if they look like the bad guys for doing what they are allowed under the constitution then it's because the public doesn't want them to take action.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:31 PM. Reason : asdfasdfg]

3/27/2007 2:30:40 PM

i don't recall bringing up principle.

^until our election system is reformed, image within your party is everything...so yes.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 2:30:50 PM

when was principle ever a part of politics or government?

3/27/2007 2:31:51 PM

The only problem with this method of operation, is that the president (and I mean any president) has the ability to wage as much war as he wants, provided he personally doesn't break any US laws in the process, and We the People are left with no recourse but to vote him out whenever the next election comes up. (Up to 4 years)

Another fine example of the "representative" form of government that we're supposedly running spinning its wheels... And the best part is that it's not because the system isn't well laid out, it's because the guys with the power to make the change are too focused on the next election.

3/27/2007 2:33:07 PM

ah, because we don't see principle being acted upon, it is an excuse to continue...

nice.


I'm glad I have your philosophy down. You encourage me.


^PS CONGRESS VOTES ON THE BUDGET. IT'S CALLED CHECKS AND BALANCES (LOL BUDGET... CHECKS... BALANCES...)

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:34 PM. Reason : i got jokes.]

3/27/2007 2:33:13 PM

How would not voting for war funding make the Democrats the bad guys? Doesn't everyone want the troops out of Iraq? Aren't Bush and war approval ratings at all time lows? How could forcing Bush's hand be bad for the Democrats?

Seriously, this is nothing but political posturing. Besides, they needed a bill to attach 22 billion in pork to.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:38 PM. Reason : \/ Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say]

3/27/2007 2:34:08 PM

if this war is that unpopular and if the American people don't want to finish it, then NOT pulling the money plug is a politically bad thing to do.

3/27/2007 2:35:08 PM

^^^I know congress votes on the budget. That's exactly my point, the people get screwed by the Executive branch, because the opposing party in the Legislative branch is too busy posturing for an '08 election to do what they actually think their own constituencies want.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 2:36:05 PM

This is the inherent conflict of interest that is politics.

But, it is the least evil of its kind and ultimately, we do have the final say.

3/27/2007 2:37:27 PM

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"But, it is the least evil of its kind and ultimately, we do have the final say. "

you keep telling yourself that.

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"Doesn't everyone want the troops out of Iraq"

lowering funding, which could or would lead directly to more soldier deaths is not the ideal way.

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"The only problem with this method of operation, is that the president (and I mean any president) has the ability to wage as much war as he wants"

no they couldn't, congress has to vote to declare war.

3/27/2007 2:41:30 PM

^ There are a plethora of examples in recent past where the President (and not just W) has essentially waged war without congress declaring war.

And furthermore, once said consent is given, he or she is able to continue that war as long as he deems necessary, with the exception of congress pulling the funds. (which as has been discussed, they're unwilling to do for political reasons)

3/27/2007 2:46:25 PM

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" you keep telling yourself that."

I'm sick of fuckers like you who act like we live in the most god damned messed up tyrannical place around. Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really believe the shit you say?

3/27/2007 2:46:43 PM

I hope the Dems stick to their guns. If Bush vetoes this spending bill, then he's the one keeping the money from our troops. Thats the problem with having an unaccountable executive. The whole world already hates him, so he really doesn't care what the people want. He should have been impeached a long time ago.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 2:49:05 PM

I hope Bush sticks to his guns

the only people in this world more retarded than Bush are Congress


[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 2:50:34 PM

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"There are a plethora of examples in recent past where the President (and not just W) has essentially waged war without congress declaring war. "

not an actual war..., but i believe Vietnam was never an actuall war tho, and the funding block should come at the beginning of said conflict, not after the place is loaded with our boys.

^^^did you forget about the 2000 election? By sheer choice of the people, gore won, but I can't remember, who served the 4 year term as pres. after that election?


[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 2:51:12 PM

bush didnt exactly make up the electoral college real quick when he found out about the popular vote

3/27/2007 2:52:28 PM

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"I hope Bush sticks to his guns the only people in this world more retarded than Bush are Congress"

or you

3/27/2007 2:52:39 PM

or you

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"The whole world already hates him, so he really doesn't care what the people want. He should have been impeached a long time ago."

not everybody can be Bill Clinton

3/27/2007 2:53:32 PM

my God, you people are still on the 2000 electoral college issue?



FOR FUCKING REAL?

3/27/2007 2:55:24 PM

yeah

"gore should've won"
"bush should be impeached"
"bush is dumb"

you'd think after years and years they could come up with something new

3/27/2007 2:56:11 PM

^^not really, but it sure casts some doubt on.

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"But, it is the least evil of its kind and ultimately, we do have the final say. "

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 2:56:34 PM

this didn't take long

3/27/2007 2:56:54 PM

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"bush didnt exactly make up the electoral college real quick when he found out about the popular vote"

If it wasn't for the electoral college and the US Senate, this country would be overwhelmingly Democratic. The only reasons Republicans are even relevant in this country's political discourse is that they have manipulated this nations laws to favor them.

I'm tired of hand full of states deciding the national election and not the popular vote. I'm tired of a couple a couple midwest states with no one living in them determining what our nation's policies are. Alaska has 600,000 people and California has 58 million. Why should they have the same vote in the Senate? If we had a functioning democracy, we would be out of this war by now.

3/27/2007 2:59:10 PM

I'm tired of people complaining about this country

If they dont like it they can leave

But they won't leave...they'll just complain more

3/27/2007 3:00:05 PM

OH MY GOD READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK


DID U KNO THAT WE HAVE 2 HOUSES OF CONGRESS 2 MAKE SURE THAT A TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY/MAJORITY DOESN'T OCCUR?

and your claim that we would be overwhelmingly democratic is utterly retarded.

Why not look at the last presidential election for a gauge on that.

3/27/2007 3:01:02 PM

or perhaps they'd rather change it

3/27/2007 3:01:19 PM

all i see is bitching... no changing

3/27/2007 3:01:54 PM

me: i get a flat tire...i change the tire and go on

Dems: they get a flat tire...they complain and want to change the whole car

you know adapting to one's environment is one of the critical skills of survival...human instinct if you will...however some people want to redo everything since they arent capable of adapting

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 3:03 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 3:02:48 PM

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"If it wasn't for the electoral college and the US Senate, this country would be overwhelmingly Democratic. The only reasons Republicans are even relevant in this country's political discourse is that they have manipulated this nations laws to favor them."

Let me get this straight...You think that the electoral college is an invention by the Republicans to stay in power?

You do realize that the electoral college is outlined in the Constitution, right?

3/27/2007 3:03:24 PM

^ the US senate is outlined in the constitution too... sounds like this guy is just a bad american.

3/27/2007 3:04:12 PM

I would rather change it

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"and your claim that we would be overwhelmingly democratic is utterly retarded. Why not look at the last presidential election for a gauge on that."

You are too ignorant to deserve a response.

3/27/2007 3:04:46 PM

ok then, tell me how, when over 50% of americans vote for a republican president, that the nation is so overwhelmingly democratic.



it looks pretty overwhelming to me alright. Why, lets just go dye everything blue!

3/27/2007 3:05:31 PM

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"I'm tired of people complaining about this country If they dont like it they can leave"

the country and framework is great, it's the people that fuck it up.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 3:08 PM. Reason : greed, corruption, and pride are nasty beasts]

3/27/2007 3:07:46 PM

I didn't see this before...I stopped reading this post after the first paragraph.

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"I'm tired of hand full of states deciding the national election and not the popular vote. I'm tired of a couple a couple midwest states with no one living in them determining what our nation's policies are. Alaska has 600,000 people and California has 58 million. Why should they have the same vote in the Senate? If we had a functioning democracy, we would be out of this war by now."

House of Representatives?

3/27/2007 3:07:50 PM

^^^^You'd rather live in some type of pseudosocialist society

And if you want to live in a society like that, thats fine...good for you

Move to a country thats like that cause this aint the place


[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 3:09 PM. Reason : scuba steve]

3/27/2007 3:08:11 PM

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"DID U KNO THAT WE HAVE 2 HOUSES OF CONGRESS 2 MAKE SURE THAT A TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY/MAJORITY DOESN'T OCCUR?"

Did you know when in the Senate, states representing about 15% of the US population can out-vote the states representing the other 85%, thats microminority rule. That is tyranny of the minority. And I don't care if its in the constitution, the constitution is wrong.

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"House of Representatives?"

And how come the Supreme Court has to come to a consensus (5-4). And bills in Congress have to go through 2 houses and can be vetoed. And the president doesn't have compromise at anything. It seems that congress is overburdened with review, while the executive has little. Why should one person lead us on the road to ruin?

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 3:12 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 3:08:59 PM

Did you know when in the House of Representatives, states representing about 85% of the US population can out-vote the states representing the other 15%, thats micromajority rule. That is tyranny of the majority. And I don't care if its in the constitution, the constitution is wrong.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 3:10 PM. Reason : what a mother fucking retard!]

3/27/2007 3:10:30 PM

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"And I don't care if its in the constitution, the constitution is wrong."

like i said

you are free to move to a country with a constitution more similar to your own views

i mean if you want to try and revamp the entire constitution to fit your views, you do actually have the freedom to do that as well

but if you backpacked through europe and thought it was cool and therefore think the US is crap, you have the freedom to leave

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 3:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 3:11:52 PM

^^^ It only seems that way because the last X presidents have been slowly overstepping the boundaries set by those before them.

3/27/2007 3:13:56 PM

Why don't you move? I'm the one trying to keep us free and our politicians accountable.

3/27/2007 3:16:43 PM

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"Why don't you move?"

cause i'm not the one who thinks everything with this country is fucked up?

why SHOULD i move? i love this country...im not whining like you about this and that and this and that and this and that

you on the other hand dont seem to like the country very much...maybe i'm misinterpreting your views, but it seems to me like you want to change a lot...i'm content with it the way it is for the most part...so wouldnt it just be easier for you to move somewhere else?

3/27/2007 3:19:10 PM

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" mean if you want to try and revamp the entire constitution to fit your views, you do actually have the freedom to do that as well"

or just ignore it, it's working great for bush.

3/27/2007 3:20:13 PM