http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6502725.stm

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"The US has lost its position as the world's primary engine of technology innovation, according to a report by the World Economic Forum. The US is now ranked seventh in the body's league table measuring the impact of technology on the development of nations. "

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" NETWORKED READINESS INDEX RANKINGS 2006 (2005) 1: Denmark (3) 2: Sweden (8) 3: Singapore (2) 4: Finland (5) 5: Switzerland (9) 6: Netherlands (12) 7: US (1) 8: Iceland (4) 9: UK (10) 10: Norway (13) "

3/28/2007 6:11:52 PM

oh noes! not denmark!

3/28/2007 6:12:52 PM

Recent research has shown that empirical evidence for globalization of corporate innovation is very limited and as a corollary the market for technologies is shrinking. As a world leader, it's important for America to provide systematic research grants for our scientists. I believe strongly there will always be a need for us to have a well articulated innovation policy with emphasis on human resource development. Thank you.

3/28/2007 6:13:38 PM

Japan?

3/28/2007 6:15:25 PM

where did i get the idea that Japan was a powerhouse?

must have been Back to the Future III

3/28/2007 6:15:49 PM

japan

3/28/2007 6:16:30 PM

No, I just thought Japan would be on that list.

3/28/2007 6:20:44 PM

that's exactly what i meant too

3/28/2007 6:28:05 PM

that's what i thought three

3/28/2007 6:28:43 PM

long as china, russia, and iran are not on that list i'm happy

3/28/2007 6:29:49 PM

it is like they don't even want to acknowledge japan exists on the map:

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"Nordic crown Denmark is now regarded as the world leader in technological innovation and application, with its Nordic neighbours Sweden, Finland and Norway claiming second, fourth and 10th place respectively. "Denmark, in particular, has benefited from the very effective government e-leadership, reflected in early liberalisation of the telecommunications sector, a first-rate regulatory environment and large availability of e-government services," said Irene Mia, senior economist at World Economic Forum. European countries to make the top 20 included Switzerland in fifth place, the Netherlands, one of the most improved in sixth, the UK (nine), Germany (16), Austria (17) and Estonia (20). While countries from Asia and the Pacific continued to progress, the powerhouse economies of China and India both showed a downward trend. India was four positions down on last year to 44th, suffering from weak infrastructure and a very low level of individual usage of personal computers and the internet. China was knocked to 59th place, nine positions down, with information technology uptake in Chinese firms lagging. "

3/28/2007 6:31:31 PM

http://www.weforum.org/pdf/gitr/rankings2007.pdf

11: Canada
12: Hong Kong
13: Taiwan
14: Japan
15: Australia
16: Germany
17: Austria
18: Israel
19: Korea
20: Estonia
21: Ireland
22: New Zealnd
23: France
24: Belgium
25: Luxembourg

India: 44
China: 59
Russia: 70


For rankings from previous years:

http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Global%20Information%20Technology%20Report/index.htm

3/28/2007 6:40:37 PM

GTFO, opinion rankings are retarded and are incredibly subjective.

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" effective government e-leadership... large availability of e-government services"

So because Denmark lets people pay their Taxes online, that makes them innovative?

How do government services online correlate into say I dunno, Biomedical research and innovation?

3/28/2007 7:24:40 PM

rankings are subjective...

oh shit!

and sherlock, you GTFO for asking this:

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"How do government services online correlate into say I dunno, Biomedical research and innovation?"

Name of report:
The Global Information Technology Report 2006-2007

Name of index:
Networked Readiness Index

3/28/2007 7:34:30 PM

^ Okay, read the BBC article and tell me they are just talking about Information Tech, the first few blurbs from that article:

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"US 'no longer technology king' The US has lost its position as the world's primary engine of technology innovation, according to a report by the World Economic Forum. The US is now ranked seventh in the body's league table measuring the impact of technology on the development of nations"

So.. oh shit! Don't you understand they are saying "This country is more wired than this other country, thus it is a better innovator in ALL sectors of technological development" They are NOT just talking about IT, if you.. I dunno read the article that the first post links.

3/28/2007 8:34:16 PM

yeah i read that.

but oh shit, maybe you should read THE ACTUAL WEBSITE/ORGANIZATION WHICH PRODUCED THE RANKINGS????

http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Global%20Information%20Technology%20Report/index.htm

so bbc misreported it. you want a cookie for recognizing it?

again:

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"Name of report: The Global Information Technology Report 2006-2007 Name of index: Networked Readiness Index "

3/28/2007 8:46:32 PM

glad i'm not the only one surprised about japan not being way up the list

i guess it maybe different if it specified computer/electronic technology or something?

3/28/2007 8:56:58 PM

oh well...

3/28/2007 9:02:17 PM

taiwan, hong kong, and singapore are ahead of japan.

very surprising.

but yeah, as you^said, it would be different if it was computer tech. japan would be at the top. this is just about "networked readiness".

3/28/2007 9:02:38 PM

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3/28/2007 9:14:34 PM

Ok, so here we go again, showing statistics of one thing and proclaiming it demonstrates something else.

All the countries listed above the US on that list are small with a highly urbanized citizenry. It is just a function of the allocation of scarce resources that it is far cheaper to wire up a dense city than some rural backwater. Imagine my surprise when countries that are 90% urbanized score higher on network penetration than the US which is only 75% urbanized.

And even if it did demonstrate something, what would anyone suggest? Having the government mandate network access for every family?

[Edited on March 28, 2007 at 10:31 PM. Reason : .,.]

3/28/2007 10:30:31 PM

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"A deterioration of the political and regulatory environment in the US prompted the fall, the report said."

Listening to the co-editors of the report, Soumitra Dutta and Irene Mia, they state several factors:

1. The increase in the regulatory complexity and burden on businesses. My guess is that this is referring to Sarbanes-Oxley, the only really significant regulatory change over the last couple of years. At very least, it may prove to be additional ammunition for those calling for SOX reforms.

2. Criticisms of technology usage and adoption by business, society, and government. As pointed out before, this is a statistic that's hard to compare small nations like Sweden and large nations like the United States. The cost to establish the sort of infrastructure for national broadband penetration and mobile phone usage is much greater and more time consuming. Also, I find it rather dubious that the number of people using mobile phones is a real symbol of technological advance.

There are a couple of minor criticisms that are useful though. A lack of government leadership in technology development is true to an extent, though we do tend to me more market driven. However, there is room for us to update laws more quickly to adapt to new technology. Also, there is the regular favorite of poor math and science education. However, this is such a complex problem on so many levels that I doubt we'll figure out how to solve this quickly.

They also mention that it isn't a matter of the United States sliding, but more that its not growing as rapidly. They still concede that the United States is still the dominant information technology powerhouse in the world. It should also be noted that prior to the 2006 report, the United States was ranked 5 in the 2004-2005 rankings.

This is a pretty gross mischaracterization of the rankings and the corresponding study. Made a good headline even if it is misleading.

3/29/2007 2:03:31 AM

thanks for the rankings

now where the fuck is japan

3/29/2007 3:01:19 AM

#14 is japan.

see my post with the links and countries after #10.

3/29/2007 3:09:02 AM

Fuck Japan. Where's South Korea?

3/29/2007 7:08:01 AM

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"but oh shit, maybe you should read THE ACTUAL WEBSITE/ORGANIZATION WHICH PRODUCED THE RANKINGS???? "

correct, ire should be directed at the BBB for lazy reporting...

as for the fact that we're not #1 on an information technology list, tell me something i don't know, we can't even get the cell phone networks in this country standardized,... plus, getting the whole country on broadband has been a little more problematic than it was for denmark or some of the other smaller european countries...

report gets a "eh, whatever"

3/29/2007 7:40:58 AM

OEP is like a carolina fan who comes here to post in sports talk...he is only here to make fun of us and show us how dumb and stupid and evil america is

3/29/2007 8:25:14 AM

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"Fuck Japan. Where's South Korea?"

19

3/29/2007 10:49:25 AM

Here are the top twenty with their actual score:

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"Rank Country/ Economy Score 1 Denmark 5.71 2 Sweden 5.66 3 Singapore 5.60 4 Finland 5.59 5 Switzerland 5.58 6 Netherlands 5.54 7 United States 5.54 8 Iceland 5.50 9 United Kingdom 5.45 10 Norway 5.42 11 Canada 5.35 12 Hong Kong SAR 5.35 13 Taiwan, China 5.28 14 Japan 5.27 15 Australia 5.24 16 Germany 5.22 17 Austria 5.17 18 Israel 5.14 19 Korea, Rep. 5.14 20 Estonia 5.02"

3/29/2007 12:00:46 PM

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"19"

ROK - A first world economy built upon a third world bureuacracy. How that country manages to maintain their economy and military without imploding politically is beyond me.

3/29/2007 12:02:31 PM

I do think that Korea at 19 is surprising. This, when the government has some rule to the effect that any new houses built should be "Home Network" ready. Broadband is ubiquitous there and pretty much everybody has cell phones. I think they're quite ahead with WiBro and stuff.

3/29/2007 4:18:02 PM

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"All the countries listed above the US on that list are small with a highly urbanized citizenry. It is just a function of the allocation of scarce resources that it is far cheaper to wire up a dense city than some rural backwater. Imagine my surprise when countries that are 90% urbanized score higher on network penetration than the US which is only 75% urbanized."

let's also not forget the sheer size of the countries involved

3/29/2007 5:09:05 PM

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"OEP is like a carolina fan who comes here to post in sports talk...he is only here to make fun of us and show us how dumb and stupid and evil america is"

never once did i talk about america or its ranking on this index in this thread. i don't even care where america is placed on this index.

so you shove what you said up your ass, fucking dick cheney. (dick cheney = liar)

3/29/2007 5:22:48 PM

Odd, I clearly remember you being anti-American in some thread somewhere... my bad.

3/29/2007 5:59:24 PM

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"never once did i talk about america or its ranking on this index in this thread"

1) this thread is not "some thread elsewhere", i.e., let's not mix threads.

2) i am not anti-american, but anti-hegemony, anti-terrorism, anti-war, anti-hypocrisy, anti-countries acting like thugs and doing things on the world stage without regards to international laws and other countries' sovereignty.

3) in case some one now discusses what i said in 2), let me restate 1) - this thread is not "some thread elsewhere", i.e., let's not mix threads.

3/29/2007 6:33:15 PM

Well, not like anyone cares, but trikk311 did not imply he meant this thread. When he said "here" I clearly discerned that he was talking about TWW in general, not this thread in particular.

3/29/2007 8:52:37 PM

That list's bs. Japan should be on there somewhere. Denmark?! XD yea right

3/29/2007 10:38:04 PM

stupid

4/2/2007 1:00:09 PM

This is utterly useless information based on subjective rankings based on overgeneralized "statistics".

4/6/2007 3:53:53 PM

SCANDENAVIA IN DA HOUSE MAFUCKAZ

4/6/2007 6:56:09 PM