It's incredible that you guys on here would defend such scum. I've never seen any personal attacks that were so far from truth (at least by what they had to work with) and that bad made towards a victim(group of victims) that did NOTHING to draw them. Its not like rutgers went out there and brawled or got caught running a prostitution ring then he would at least of had a reason to make STILL INAPPROPRIATE and DEWOMANIZING ramarks.

Bottom line is songs are actually talking about hoes and bitches but imus was talking directly about a student basketball team and had no reason to call them hoes. Also, most of the rutgers players i saw had their hair pretty neat. For him to call them "nappy headed" when their hair was under control was completely out of line and racist.

That is why he has no business on the air and got his ass fired. gg cbs.

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 2:33 AM. Reason : big lawsuits comin up!]

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 2:35 AM. Reason : example: no rap song is lke rutgers hoes is bitches. more like im gonna get me a hoe thatl fuck easy]

4/13/2007 2:32:22 AM

I disagree about the rappers only talking about actual hoes and bitches. I think the way many (but not all, and probably not most, but enough) use it is out of line and does hurt some peoples' perceptions of women.

Just take this for example: http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=471775

An utterly trivial and stupid song by any measure (i kinda like the beat though), but things like that have somehow evolved to become accepted. The trend should be thwarted and the includes calling a spade a spade, and the rappers' use of those words are often negative and unacceptable uses.

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 2:36 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2007 2:35:29 AM

first of all at the start of that song he said he's a pimp so you immediately know he's dealing with prostitutes. then he talks about girls that see his car and money and want to talk to him (golddiggers) and how one girl wants to be on his team cuz he has a fast car. I MEAN THE NAME OF THE SONG IS I GOT THAT MOENY, GIRL.

the song is about hoes. hoes exist and calling known hoes hoes is not a problem. Calling student athletes is.

4/13/2007 2:40:38 AM

Ha, are you kidding? (seriously, I can't tell)

4/13/2007 2:51:51 AM

^lol

4/13/2007 3:19:55 AM

4/13/2007 8:10:14 AM

IBTL

4/13/2007 8:28:47 AM

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"Bottom line is songs are actually talking about hoes and bitches"

Lots of songs about prostitutes and female dogs huh? The meanings of words change overtime. "Hos" is now commonly used to refer to girls that are easy, not literally prostitutes. I agree that women shouldn't be referred as either term (unless you're sure that's what they are), but claiming that rap only refers to actual hos is stupid.

I too can't tell if you're joking (if you are, bring the funny next time) so I responded as if you were serious.

4/13/2007 9:05:00 AM

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"first of all at the start of that song he said he's a pimp so you immediately know he's dealing with prostitutes. then he talks about girls that see his car and money and want to talk to him (golddiggers) and how one girl wants to be on his team cuz he has a fast car. I MEAN THE NAME OF THE SONG IS I GOT THAT MOENY, GIRL."

So you don't see how a song that glorifies a man's role as a pimp and his dealings with hos is sexcist?

4/13/2007 11:00:59 AM

i may disagree with you on alot of sports issues, but i'm in complete agreement here, aristotle.

4/13/2007 11:59:27 AM

so let me get this straight. so, if they are actually, in fact, hoes, its okay to refer to them in that derogatory manner.

ok. got it. i'll get back to you in like 4 days when that comes back to bite you in the ass


[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 12:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2007 12:14:23 PM

Quote :

"Bottom line is songs are actually talking about hoes and bitches but imus was talking directly about a student basketball team and had no reason to call them hoes."

but rappers do have a reason?

4/13/2007 12:36:05 PM

yeah man, the reason they can refer to them in such a derogatory manner and not get in trouble is that they are dealing with actual prostitutes.

had the rutgers women's basketball team actually been kind of scandalous in their off the court affairs, it would be okay to refer to them as hos.

And im pretty sure that after 40 minutes of basketball some of them had some pretty kinky and frizzy hair, so we should just drop the whole nappy-headed outrage. i mean, some of them probably did have nappy hair, so its okay

right?


[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 12:46 PM. Reason : sarcasm btw]

4/13/2007 12:40:01 PM

i'm not saying it's ok, i'm saying it is absolutely not a big deal

do you know what would have been the absolute best way for that team to handle the situation?

reporter: "so how do you feel about don imus's remarks about you the other morning?"

team: "imus? oh the bigot, i mean whatever, that's his deal. i'm very proud of how we performed this year and all we've accomplished. i think we've proven a lot about ourselves."

reporter: "right, but don't you find it outrageous and offensive that imus said those things?"

team: "i guess but he has every right to say what he wants. doesn't hurt us any, they are just words."

4/13/2007 12:43:38 PM

im on your side man. i think the entire ordeal is one of the bigger overreactions we've had in a while.

4/13/2007 12:47:05 PM

Yes, but nappy headed is a racial slur. Racial slurs are never ok.

"Ho" is a character slur and character slurs are fine because the person is chosing to have a certain character.

Quote :

""Hos" is now commonly used to refer to girls that are easy, not literally prostitutes. I agree that women shouldn't be referred as either term (unless you're sure that's what they are), but claiming that rap only refers to actual hos is stupid."

yes, a girl that follows a rapper around and gives "easy" services because he is a rapper or has a nice car is still an actual ho. A ho is a slut.

Its just like if somebody called oneil artest and jackson thugs it would have been acceptable (maybe not correct considering artests drink situation, but still at least somewhat warrented)

4/13/2007 2:22:13 PM

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"Racial slurs are never ok."

they're still just words

if words can deeply hurt you, you need to get over it, because if not you'll be offended your entire life

4/13/2007 2:27:42 PM

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"they're still just words if words can deeply hurt you, you need to get over it, because if not you'll be offended your entire life"

Quote :

"they're still just words if words can deeply hurt you, you need to get over it, because if not you'll be offended your entire life"

Quote :

"they're still just words if words can deeply hurt you, you need to get over it, because if not you'll be offended your entire life"

4/13/2007 2:29:22 PM

lmao cnn just showed nellys tip drill video to al sharpton. prolly the most graphic rap video ever and was only shown on bet uncut. pretty funny how they showed it on cnn.

4/13/2007 10:13:06 PM

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"White folks were in caves while we were building empires. . . . We taught philosophy, astrology, and mathematics before Socrates and those Greek homos."

Al Sharpton

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton

V When one retrieves a quotation from an indirect source, one should indicate that the element was quoted in such a way, which is what I did. In addition, I wanted readers to know that the quotation at issue had made it to Wikiquote.com. As you proved, anyone should be able to easily find the source citation--even a moron.



[Edited on April 14, 2007 at 1:55 AM. Reason : .]

4/14/2007 1:30:39 AM

^ http://72.166.46.24//boston/news_features/this_just_in/documents/03286973.asp
(that's the citation from wiki btw for your quote)

[Edited on April 14, 2007 at 1:34 AM. Reason : ]

4/14/2007 1:33:54 AM

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"[quote]Student: "In 1994, in a forum very similar to this one, you were quoted as saying, ‘White folks were in caves while we were building empires.... We taught philosophy, astrology, and mathematics before Socrates and those Greek homos.’ What should the American voter make of that comment?" Sharpton: "First of all, what I said at a speech was, I talked about — you know, this was a forum. I’m glad you raised it because, give the whole context. This was a forum after we were dealing with this book that had come out saying we were innately inferior and that we could not compete, that there was something wrong with blacks. [Sharpton was apparently referring to 1994’s The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life, by Charles Murray and Richard J. Herrnstein.] And I said — first of all, I went through this whole thing about how we are not inferior and compared us to different stages in history. And many of the whites in the audience were standing up clapping because they were insulted that this guy — who was, by the way part of, at one point, the Reagan administration — came up with that theory that we were —" Here, Matthews interrupted Sharpton for a commercial break. When the show resumed, Matthews moved immediately to another audience question:"

[/quote]

4/14/2007 1:38:53 AM

^^^ I think you miss the point.

You plucked a quote from Sharpton out of context. Instead of showing that he was responding to a racist comment from another person with an ignorant comment, you just posted what Sharpton said.

So either you support the idea that blacks are innately inferior, you're a hypocrite, you're an idiot, or you're a racist in general, or all of them.

4/14/2007 3:14:11 AM

Quote :

"Bottom line is songs are actually talking about hoes and bitches but imus was talking directly about a student basketball team and had no reason to call them hoes. Also, most of the rutgers players i saw had their hair pretty neat. For him to call them "nappy headed" when their hair was under control was completely out of line and racist."

Seriously? You really believe that? Have no one noticed that there are more than just black girls on the Rutger's Team?

Imus is an idiot, no qualms. But why is his statement seen as only pertaining to black people? If you can look at the team and clearly see diversity, and black people are the only ones offended, then does that mean that his statement about hair was true?

I have a fucked up head of hair, so I am no good person to judge.

4/14/2007 10:40:09 AM

the whites were on the bench. tenn had whites playing

4/14/2007 11:35:04 AM

all of this is just the media making a big deal out of nothing, once again. its don fucking imus for god sakes, this comment from him should not come as shock and awe

was it wrong, yes. should he be fired, no. if this comment causes his listeners to tune out and he drops in ratings, then yea he should be fired.

no one is forcing the public to listen or even acknowledge his presence on the radio

4/14/2007 3:53:46 PM

I have no problem with him being fired, honestly, he was a dumb ass and now he is paying for it.

I just wish that people would not react in this way. It seems to move relations between whites and blacks two steps back whenever the media blows stuff like this up.

Just ignore the idiots and keep working hard and things will end up the way they should.

4/14/2007 4:37:43 PM

i really have to agree with the thread stater here. i can't belive people are comparing imus to rappers. yea nelly throws a wad of singles into a girls vagina .....AS SHE UPSIDE DOWN SLIDING DOWN THE POLE. not to mention the radio is freely broadcast i've never heard tip drill nor 2 live crew on the radio , i had to activly seek out these songs or buy cable and watch b.e.t. at 3 am.
this brings me to my last point

WHY THE FUCK IS EVRYONE MAKING A BIG FUCKING DEAL ABOUT THE NAPPY HEADED HOES POTRION???????
i'd rather be called nappy headed any day than a fuckin jiggaboo. that's the real slur here and u've never heard a rapper call even the "hoes" they pimp some racist shit like jiggaboos.

4/15/2007 2:34:17 AM

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"So either you support the idea that blacks are innately inferior, you're a hypocrite, you're an idiot, or you're a racist in general, or all of them. "

Previously, I strongly implied that hooksaw was a racist. I don't really believe that he is really a racist, and I apologize for calling him one.

However, I still believe his views on race issues are wrong and short sighted, and he can be a jerk sometimes, but he's not an outright racist.

4/22/2007 11:59:04 PM

^ I hadn't seen this--but thank you. It is at least some evidence that civil discourse is possible in TSB. I understand that civil discourse is perhaps not as much fun, though.

In keeping with this new spirit of comity, I will not call you a scum-sucking maggot--as I had planned to do.

JK

4/23/2007 5:36:15 AM

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-et-webwhitegirl14apr14,1,6843739.story?coll=la-entnews-music

Relevant to topic.

4/30/2007 12:41:20 AM

In Sharpton's defense, there are a lot of us out here who are tired of pretending that history begins with the Greeks. There were non-white peoples building empires thousands of years before the Greeks, but we're taught that basically the first great anything had to be Greek.

4/30/2007 9:48:35 AM