Noone will feel "safe" now. This is the begining.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/160407blackop.htm

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" [...] Initial reports suggested there were two shooters, but the story quickly changed to just one shooter who later killed himself (as happens in almost all these cases) or was shot by police. Eyewitness accounts describe police hiding behind trees and failing to pursue the killer, while ordering the school to be placed on lockdown so nobody could escape the carnage as the killer picked off his targets with seemingly little interruption from the police. At the moment, the official death toll is 30, but could rise, making this the deadliest school shooting in history [...] "

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 4:33:57 PM

The beginning? LOL

Passed that phase a long time ago

4/16/2007 4:36:42 PM

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4/16/2007 4:37:06 PM

can we murder Alex Jones now, plz

4/16/2007 4:38:56 PM

Two handguns (one 9mm and one 22clb) cause all of this carnage!?!?! Yeah right.

4/16/2007 4:39:00 PM

btw

this article is from prisonplanet.com

just thought you all would like to know

4/16/2007 4:40:20 PM

I know some of you may not agree with Alex, but sometimes you have to raise questions. Things that make no sense need questioning. I know it's early, but still.

4/16/2007 4:45:57 PM

oh, it's Early, yes. jones need to die

4/16/2007 4:47:25 PM

what doesnt make sense about this?

4/16/2007 4:49:35 PM

Do you NOT realize how difficult it would be for ONE person to pull off something like this without being seen or apprehended for two hours with [SEMI]-AUTOMATIC handguns.

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 4:52:17 PM

sure i realize it would be difficult...could it happen??....heck yes....and i think it did happen...

how the hell do you get from "man, this would be hard" to.."GWB and the neocon zionist pigs killed 30 people this morning"

you gotta be kidding me man...get a grip

4/16/2007 4:54:29 PM

if you surprise and trap 30+ unarmed people in a room, it wouldn't be that hard.

4/16/2007 4:57:16 PM

^yeah...thats true...i mean....if you busted up into nelson 3400 and started shooting...it wouldnt take too long to get to 30

4/16/2007 4:58:04 PM

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"and i think it did happen..."

Are you saying that your statement is correct and mine is wrong?

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"Things that make no sense need questioning"

Noone attempts to tackle the gunmen, like in 90% of these kinda incidents. He travels from one side of the campus to the other, in the span of a two hour period unnoticed. Then he shoots himself in the face, where he is unidentifiable.

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"if you surprise and trap 30+ unarmed people in a room, it wouldn't be that hard. "

What about the sounds from the gunshots? Noone was alarmed? What about his re-loading phase?
Screaming and shouting? One person pulled this off is just too far fetched to believe! I could atleast understand if he had assault rifles and didn't travel across campus in a two hour period unnoticed.

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 4:59:18 PM

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"Are you saying that your statement is correct and mine is wrong?"

I am saying you are correct....it might be difficult to pull this off....but then again it might not be...

im also saying that I think it DID happen....

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"What about the sounds from the gunshots? Noone was alarmed? What about his re-loading phase? "

if you heard the gunshots....would you run towards them and tackle the guy??...would you really??...or would you hide?? run??...



""THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD TO DO!!...IT MUST HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT SET UP!!!!"

again...get a grip dude

dont go all salisbury on us and start just asking absurd questions without actually saying anything or offering any proof to back up what you say

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 5:03 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/16/2007 5:02:41 PM

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"if you heard the gunshots....would you run towards them and tackle the guy??...would you really??...or would you hide?? run??..."

I would run--hide if I had no choice. But while running I would also seek help (police) and alert as many people as I possibly could.

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"again...get a grip dude"

No, I actually have a grip. But do you live your life ruling out all conspiracies?

4/16/2007 5:07:06 PM

haha....

YES!!!...ALL OF THEM


dont you?

4/16/2007 5:08:23 PM

No, I don't. Some of them are just silly, and I don't give credence to them. But there are cases that are supported well, and they raise and eyebrow. But since you automatically rule them out, that's where me and you differ. I think for myself.

4/16/2007 5:12:57 PM

exactly...
good for you earl

4/16/2007 5:16:02 PM

If the kid had any idea how to shoot it wouldn't be hard for him to shoot and reload and manage to get 30+ people

4/16/2007 5:19:47 PM

^well look man...

that just doesnt make sense to our boy earl soo...back off...


this was obviously a huge government conspiracy led by GWB himself all for the glory of the jews....

4/16/2007 5:21:18 PM

ibtl

4/16/2007 5:34:57 PM

Support your claims then. Don't just troll. Anyone can troll. Im not denying that it CAN'T be done. My claim is that the odds are against him performing the act alone/unnoticed without alarming anyone for two hours. *with his firepower*

Keep in mind that 30+ moving humans are not easy targets. Even if locked in a room. Add to that reloading time. But in your eyes the gunmen had the skills of Neo or Rambo. Totally bogus.

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 5:41 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 5:38:48 PM

support:

http://www.cnn.com

4/16/2007 5:39:44 PM

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"Keep in mind that 30+ moving humans are not easy targets. Even if locked in a room. Add to that reloading time. But in your eyes the gunmen had the skills of Neo or Rambo. Totally bogus."

contrast that with ...in your eyes this would have been hard to do therefor...its a huge government conspiracy that a huge number of people must have been in on....

get a grip man

4/16/2007 5:44:48 PM

I'm searching for an explanation to how one gunmen performed all this/ with that firepower...when you find out, please inform me. Thank you.

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"its a huge government conspiracy that a huge number of people must have been in on.... "

Who ever said this? It could have merely been one group of rogue individuals doing this. It's not just Zionist vs Goodpeopleites. The world is full of "bad people" doing things for their very own interest. If you don't believe this, you're blind.

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 5:48 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 5:45:20 PM

first off, if he did have two glock 9's, they would probably be glock 17s (17+1 mag capacity) or glock 19s (15+1 capacity)

so if he was a good shot, he couldve taken out 30 people in 2 mags...and he supposedly had like 10 mags on him right?

also you say 30+ "moving targets"

as soon as you open a classroom and you've got 25 people sitting in desks, it wouldnt be too hard to shoot 10-12 of them

and the press conference with the VT "public safety" head said the 31 bodies from the classroom building were found in different classrooms

hell if you went to an intro to econ class at NCSU with 100 students, if all you had was two glock 19s with full mags, you could fairly easily shoot a couple dozen people in that crowded of an environment

ps: IBTL

4/16/2007 5:50:16 PM

im searching for any evidence at all to the contrary of the reported story. as you are the one who disagrees with this reported story....its on you, cheif.

i cant believe im taking this seriously

4/16/2007 5:51:16 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.witness/index.html

shows cops moving towards the building....i'm sorry that you want to see direct video evidence of cops running all willy nilly into the building, guns blazing, but thats not how it works.

As far as the 30 people go, take a typical lecture room. Entrance in the back and the front, shooter comes in through the front, what does everyone do? run to the back to the door and creates a bottle neck, easy targets because they're all clumped together.

Or take a on of the tiny ass rooms in harrelson, open the door, start shooting. no place to go. Now i'm sure you guys are all saying "oh i would charge his ass"..yeah bullshit, something like that happens, you don't expect it, 99% people will run.

4/16/2007 5:56:34 PM

Finally, a decent response. Thanks TreeTwista10.

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"first off, if he did have two glock 9's, they would probably be glock 17s (17+1 mag capacity) or glock 19s (15+1 capacity) "

One:a 22 calibur (revolver,not sure 9 shot) Other: 9mm (not sure what kind 16-18 shot max)

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"as soon as you open a classroom and you've got 25 people sitting in desks, it wouldnt be too hard to shoot 10-12 of them "

I could see this, however, he is "stripped" of the sweaping action since the weapons are not rapid-fire autos'. And I don't know many people who will sit still during this process (individuals in the hallway who hear the fire) etc. He would have to be holding the weapons in a duel manner instead of a rotatingmanner to increase hit-rate. With that being said, the reloading time would take longer for both guns.

*He would have to kill everyone he encountered and not waste a shot in this situation. I just don't understand how he could do this without being unnoticed. Even if he COULD pull this off.

You walk into a classroom in Harrelson and do it, but you will be seen and people will atleast be alerted before you leave campus.



[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 6:01 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 5:57:17 PM

well i'm not sure about the weapons...but lets say he had the minimum...lets say he had a Glock 19 (15+1) and lets assume he didnt have the plus 1 chambered...and lets assume he had a 22 revolver, which are usually 8 shots...so say he has 23 shots...the 22 is going to have very minimal recoil...anybody college aged who had shot guns could comfortably fire off those 8 shots as fast as they could pull the trigger...also of all semi auto pistols, glocks are on the lower end of the recoil scale...if a classroom had only 20 people, it would seem to me to be somewhat easy to go into a classroom full of unsuspecting people sitting down...yell some type of threat to get the completely unsuspecting kids into a "deer in headlights" type of fear/shock...and start shooting...plus how big are most classrooms? 24x16 feet? not huge...most people who target shoot could catch center mass with just a second or so between shots, especially considering the mag capacity and lack of recoil

my main question is are you seriously putting some type of logical belief behind another prisonplanet conspiracy article or are you just on some salisburyboy type shit?

also i should mention, during the press conference at ~4:30 with VT officials, a reporter asked something to the effect of "were all the deaths in the classroom building found in one classroom?" to which the VT "cop" spokesman said something to the effect of "the bodies were found in multiple classrooms"

aka, if he killed 30 people in that building, he couldve killed 10 people in 3 different rooms...or 7-8 people in 4 different rooms, etc

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"*He would have to kill everyone he encountered and not waste a shot in this situation"

why? if the buildings were on lockdown maybe some of the doors were chained...maybe people tried to leave and couldnt...and if theres a crowd at an exit door, he couldve just started shooting into that crowd

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"You walk into a classroom in Harrelson and do it, but you will be seen and people will atleast be alerted before you leave campus"

sure...but whats to stop him from doing what you just said was possible in 3-4 classrooms in harrelson? obviously the "alerted before you leave campus" point is moot, since he didnt leave campus, not alive at least

and in regard to the cops not busting down doors, etc...you can be damn sure the cops didnt want to go guns a blazing into a building filled with 1 criminal/shooter and hundreds of innocent students

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 6:06 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 6:03:11 PM

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"sure...but whats to stop him from doing what you just said was possible in 3-4 classrooms in harrelson? obviously the "alerted before you leave campus" point is moot, since he didnt leave campus, not alive at least"

You must not be watching your news station then. Some reports claim that he left the state during the two hour period.

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"my main question is are you seriously putting some type of logical belief behind another prisonplanet conspiracy article or are you just on some salisburyboy type shit?"

Because I raise questions that others don't, I'm automatically a nutcase? I just want an explanation. It seems like all the news outlets apparently don't know what happened. They still don't even know if the two killings are related. And to point out the fact that THEY don't even know how many gunmen were invollved is insane.

*I know how handguns operate, but to shoot yourself in the face and make you >unidentifiable< is kind of sketchy. A 9mm handgun doesn't make a "mess like that". Entry and exit wound is fairly small. But im going out on a limb by saying that. Had it been a 45 acp or desert eagle, that would make sense.

Note: I'm not saying that shooting yourself with those weapons in the face won't disfigure you badly. I'm just refuting the point of identity.

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 6:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2007 6:15:02 PM

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"You must not be watching your news station then"

no i havent been...been at work all day...but heard most of the press conference on the radio, which was straight from the hokies' mouth, and i trust them more than some 24 hour news stations who have just been speculating for the last half day

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"It seems like all the news outlets apparently don't know what happened. They still don't even know if the two killings are related"

well it just happened today...the true facts are not out yet, they have to investigate...they're not going to publicize a bunch of hunches (VT isnt, the news stations certainly will)

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"but to shoot yourself in the face and make you unidentifiable is kind of sketchy"

according to VT at the press conference, they hadnt identified the shooter because he had no identification on him...no drivers license, etc...and its not like they're asking the other 26,000 students to identify him

i'm not saying "raising the questions others dont" makes you a nutcase

i just dont see where there are any gaping holes in this story that would make you think its anything other than one guy who had some shit in his head and decided he would cause some havoc

i mean overall, as its been pointed out by some TWWers earlier today, its still early...all the facts arent in...we dont know everything...i just dont see how the current reports seem so conspiratorial, especially after knowing about things like columbine

4/16/2007 6:19:37 PM

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"Some reports claim that he left the state during the two hour period."

I understand that this was what was initially thought, which is why the campus police didn't alert everybody right away. What we don't know is anything at all about where that assumption came from.

The most likely scenario is that the cops responded to the dorm shooting where two people were killed, which was initially and is now once again being described as a "domestic violence situation." They questioned witnesses, some of whom may have thought they heard about or had some other reason to believe that the guy had left the state.

4/16/2007 6:25:23 PM

I don't understand:

1)why the area wasn't shut-down when they have a loud speaker system. They used it 2 hours later.
a)you ever notice how fast it takes police to shut down a city block after 1 murder

4/16/2007 6:50:47 PM

well one explanation would be that since killing sprees are by far the exception and one or two body murders are more the rule (as far as what happens far, far more often), they thought/hoped it was over in the dorm at 7:15 and that the suspect fled far away from campus and the safety of the other students

also announcing on the intercom something like "ATTENTION STUDENTS...THERE IS A MAD GUNMAN LOOSE ON CAMPUS...HE COULD BE ANYWHERE...PLEASE STAY CALM" might cause a lot of panic

obviously in HINDSIGHT we can play monday morning quarterback and criticize the minutia mistakes, which unfortunately may have ended up killing a couple dozen innocent colleg kids...but again, we're going off hindsight

4/16/2007 6:55:13 PM

did you really just number things as "1), a)"?

4/16/2007 7:13:27 PM

Did he really just number two items?

4/16/2007 7:29:47 PM

http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/

4/16/2007 7:31:48 PM

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""He was very silent," said Sheehan, one of only four students in her 25-student German class who were not shot. "He seemed very thorough about it.""

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

thats 21 of the 50 or 60 victims (I'm including the wounded) in one class room

what it sounds like is the shooter went to one class, fired all his ammo, went back into the hall, reloaded, and then went on to his next class Odds are those people were already running and harder targets which is why the a good deal of all his victims came from one room

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"a)you ever notice how fast it takes police to shut down a city block after 1 murder"

whats the population on one city block?

campus>>>city block

in terms of both size and population

Lets take for instance the guy who suicided on Dabney/Cox couple years ago...the cops did not know it was not murder, but did not lock down campus. thats not any where close to finding a gunshot victim, i know.

I can remember the campus emails indicating some one was robbed at gun point a couple times on campus. Is there a campus lockdown? no, there is an email within a couple hours.

The point is , the majority time someone gets murdered, that person doesn't go and kill 30 more people. A total campus lockdown would have been infeasible. (hindsight is 20/20)

[Edited on April 16, 2007 at 10:34 PM. Reason : a]

4/16/2007 10:24:43 PM

i love how you but the bold emphasis on an improper word

duel

hahahahaha - you're a fucktard

unless you think he would have given each person a gun and challenged them to a duel at 20 paces

i hope you fucking choke

4/17/2007 12:09:52 AM

Even now, in all seriousness you troll...I'm speechless.

4/17/2007 12:12:38 AM

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"Well, I'm screwed. They found a receipt in the gunman's pocket indicating that he bought the gun from me in March. ATF is at my shop right now. See you later, I'm on my way to the shop right now."

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"Call BS all you like, but I just spent the last several hours with 3 ATF agents. I saw the shooter's picture. I know his name and home address. I also know that he used a Glock 19 and a Walther P-22. The serial number was ground off the Glock. Why would he do that and still keep the receipt in his pocket from when he bought the gun? ATF told me that they are going to keep this low-key and not report this to the tv news. However, they cautioned that it will leak out eventually, and that I should be ready to deal with CNN, FOX, etc. My 32 camera surveillance system recorded the event 35 days ago. This is a digital system that only keeps the video for 35 days. We got lucky. By the way, the paperwork for Mr. Cho was perfect, thank God."

From a gun forum. Poster is apparently a well known and respected member of their community and a gun dealer in Virginia.

4/17/2007 1:19:52 AM

4/17/2007 1:27:43 AM

^^if that IS true...i just want to mention that in a discussion with Earl earlier, I speculated it was a Glock 19 (15+1 shots)...however the P-22 confused me...everything I had heard indicated a .22 revolver?

But anyway...the Walther P-22 would still have very low recoil...and it would hold I believe 10+1 instead of 8

anyways...

4/17/2007 2:55:06 AM

This is for Earl

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4/17/2007 5:23:52 AM

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"it would hold I believe 10+1 instead of 8"

you're right.

i bought one 2 weeks ago

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4/17/2007 1:06:32 PM

^i dont even remember posting in that thread but i did

4/17/2007 1:12:03 PM

It was a Glock 19.

Friggin germans.

4/17/2007 7:10:55 PM

Austrians

4/17/2007 7:12:54 PM