Would you consider abortion if this was going to be your baby:




Or even worse, this:

4/21/2007 1:25:50 PM

I suspect both of those kids will one day shoot up a school.

4/21/2007 1:29:27 PM

The latter, a harlequin baby, will die a few minutes after being born from bleeding to death when her skin cracks everytime she moves.

4/21/2007 1:30:22 PM

the first one's kinda cute though.

4/21/2007 1:31:31 PM

The first one resembles some sort of deep sea creature.

4/21/2007 1:32:03 PM

im pretty sure the mom's vagina opened some sort of vortex a la event horizon.

4/21/2007 1:33:52 PM

DUKE

please move this bullshit to Chit Chat

God, you're disgusting.

grow the fuck up.






[Edited on April 21, 2007 at 1:54 PM. Reason : ]

4/21/2007 1:51:53 PM

are these cases supposed to be justification for thousands of teens aborting perfectly healthy babies every year?

4/21/2007 2:13:24 PM

none of those babies are viable, so it doesn't matter.

i still wouldn't consider an abortion.

the only time abortion would be warranted in my view is if the mother's life was in dnager.

flame on!


[Edited on April 21, 2007 at 2:14 PM. Reason : ^ GG dude]

4/21/2007 2:13:41 PM

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"none of those babies are viable, so it doesn't matter. i still wouldn't consider an abortion."

So just because these babies won't live as long, their lives are worth less than a normal baby?

The first baby (saw on discovery channel) is actually capable of living for more than a couple years.

The moment you say "oh this baby doesn't count, it won't live as long" you become hypocritical to your cause.

4/21/2007 2:18:55 PM

OK, I didn't express myself properly.

Even if that baby lived till 18 (or longer), I still wouldn't consider an abortion.

When I said "it didn't matter", I was actually talking about people who might be on the fence in this issue. They might want to abort them, but once they hear that those babies won't live for more than a year or so, they might be like "OK, I won't abort." So in fact, I was indirectly telling the thread creator to come up with better examples to be able to seperate people into two camps and not leave anyone on the fence, i.e., examples where babies are horribly malformed AND they would live long.

For me though, it doesn't matter, no matter how long they live, I wouldn't abort.

4/21/2007 2:27:22 PM

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"are these cases supposed to be justification for thousands of teens aborting perfectly healthy babies every year?"

4/21/2007 2:27:57 PM

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" So just because these babies won't live as long, their lives are worth less than a normal baby? The first baby (saw on discovery channel) is actually capable of living for more than a couple years. The moment you say "oh this baby doesn't count, it won't live as long" you become hypocritical to your cause."

quality of life for the baby

4/21/2007 3:15:43 PM

IT'S A TRAP!

4/21/2007 3:53:59 PM

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"are these cases supposed to be justification for thousands of teens aborting perfectly healthy babies every year?"

No, I am asking people if they knew that their baby would be born like that or would die a horrible painful death as soon as they were born (sure, bleeding from every orifice is just fine) then would they be okay with abortion?

4/21/2007 5:48:45 PM

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"No, I am asking people if they knew that their baby would be born like that or would die a horrible painful death as soon as they were born (sure, bleeding from every orifice is just fine) then would they be okay with abortion?"

No. And anyone who would is not pro-life.

4/21/2007 6:18:22 PM

what if the mother was going to die. which life is more important?

4/21/2007 6:45:29 PM

They never know the mother is going to die....they only know there may be a strong risk of that. Neither is more important.

If a pregnancy/delivery kills a woman, it is not murder; it is simply tragedy. If a mother hires a trained baby-butcherer to kill her child, it is murder.

You don't have to figure out 'who is more important.'

4/21/2007 7:12:33 PM

one less ant

4/21/2007 7:14:17 PM

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"They never know the mother is going to die"

bullshit. how about you come back when you know what the fuck you're talking about

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"If a mother hires a trained baby-butcherer"

brilliant. did you come up with that flamebait on your own?

4/21/2007 7:22:39 PM

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"bullshit. how about you come back when you know what the fuck you're talking about "

How can you possibly disagree with that? Doctors can give strong likelihoods, darn near guarantees at times....but they're still don't know for certain the mother will die.

I know a mother who was told this. She refused an abortion, despite the pleas from her doctors. The child is 4 years old now, and the mother is perfectly fine.

Besides, even if they did know she would die, it accomplishes nothing for the pro-choice crowd. Such circumstances still do not justify taking the life of your child.

4/21/2007 8:22:48 PM

pro life people really dont care about the lives of babies

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/health/22infant.html

4/21/2007 9:37:37 PM

^Which, though interesting and mostly true, does not negate their position.

4/21/2007 9:53:04 PM

For anyone who was disturbed or depressed by the topic of this thread. I finished crying and found this article through wikipedia:

http://www.10news.com/health/3919722/detail.html

It made me feel a little better.

I'm trying to overcome my "phobia" of people with deformities, particularly those that reflect pain. I've always had extremely emotional responses to obvious deformities, and to this day, I'm so uncomfortable with them that I will leave when someone with a deformity comes in my vicinity. The first encounter I can actually remember I was 7 or 8, and I saw a man who had been burned on his face. I was eating dinner with my family, and when I saw him, I ran out of the restaurant screaming. I cried for hours, and my parents did their best to help me cope. I know these people don't want my empathy or my pity, but I still cry...

4/21/2007 10:27:51 PM

^ that link makes me want to cry too.

but at the same time, i am just awed at this kid's resilience and determination. he is a triathlete! i probably would have never left the house if i were him, and would have wanted to die.

this is amazing:

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"For Ryan, managing his condition is a full-time job. Because his skin is constantly shedding, he needs to consume 7,500 calories a day. He tube feeds himself pure protein every night while he sleeps."

4/21/2007 10:49:23 PM

most pro-lifers never consider the baby's quality of life after birth.

4/22/2007 12:59:02 AM

What the fuck is wrong with the baby in that second pic? Like, does that condition even have a name?

4/22/2007 1:13:06 AM

harlequin baby

i want to know whats going on with the first......thing

atleast #2 resembles a human, kind of

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 1:14 AM. Reason : .]

4/22/2007 1:14:12 AM

^^harlequin ichthyosis

^Treacher Collins syndrome

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 1:15 AM. Reason : ]

4/22/2007 1:14:26 AM

^^^

click on link posted by bridgetspk.

4/22/2007 1:15:55 AM

Cocaine is a helluva drug

4/22/2007 1:16:30 AM

but those babies we're already born. its too late to abort a live fetus.

4/22/2007 2:43:45 PM

4/25/2007 5:08:21 PM

Abortion should be available to anyone. If a woman is raped, she should have the right and the majority of the US believes it too, to have an abortion.

The problem I see is that many people view abortions as a form of birth control and that's not how it should be used. A requirement to have your tubes tied should be in place and honestly I wouldn't mind my tax dollars going toward that.

As long as a woman who's life is in danger, or was raped, should never be forced to deliver that child. Past that... I'll bend to the will of the populace.

4/25/2007 5:29:04 PM

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"As long as a woman who's life is in danger, or was raped, should never be forced to deliver not to murder that child."

[Edited on April 25, 2007 at 5:44 PM. Reason : f]

4/25/2007 5:43:47 PM

So are we just rejoicing in other people's misery at this point?

4/25/2007 6:37:18 PM

so why exactly do antiabortion people not let a woman choose what she wants to do?

like whats their argument again?

4/26/2007 4:22:32 AM

like who knows like

4/26/2007 9:02:58 AM

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"abortions as a form of birth control and that's not how it should be used. A requirement to have your tubes tied should be in place"

OK..but if abortion is a private decision of the woman...what right do you have telling her she can't use it as a form of birth control? Is she truly in charge of her body? Doesn't her wishes trump the fetus inside her? If the fetus has no rights of survival whatsoever, then we cannot put any restrictions on the women's wishes...right?

Because murdering a human is morally wrong, the on-demand pro-choicers must refuse to ever acknowledge the fetus' human status.

Most rational people would concede that at some point a fetus is a human being. At some stage in the pregnancy, aborting the child would be murder. Murder has traditionally been the jurisdiction of the states. The abortion issue should be taken away from the federal gov't and returned to the states to decide at what point abortion is murder.

4/26/2007 9:36:44 AM

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"most pro-lifers never consider the baby's quality of life after birth."

most pro-lifers never consider the mothers quality of life before, during, or after birth either

4/26/2007 9:39:39 AM

^Abortion is not about murder. It is about the right to decide whether or not to sustain a life. Our society mandates that a person is not required to donate bodily fluids or tissues to sustain the life of another. To do so would be ridicules. The same applies to a fetus. There can be no distinction, a person is a person. So If a woman has to support the life of a fetus, why can't we make you donate blood or an organ when needed? Is there a difference?

4/26/2007 4:11:58 PM

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"IT'S A TRAP!"

This is my favorite of the many many abortion threads in TSB history.

4/26/2007 4:52:16 PM

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"Our society mandates that a person is not required to donate bodily fluids or tissues to sustain the life of another. To do so would be ridicules. The same applies to a fetus. There can be no distinction, a person is a person. So If a woman has to support the life of a fetus, why can't we make you donate blood or an organ when needed? Is there a difference?"

Wow.

Did I really read that?

I think I feel stupid now

4/26/2007 6:20:48 PM

ibtl

4/26/2007 7:11:37 PM

^ I know some people that can help you with that self-esteem issue.

4/26/2007 7:32:52 PM

No locks here, this thread's alive

4/26/2007 7:35:38 PM

pro life people are funny.....

blinded by their own views

4/26/2007 10:47:36 PM

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"are these cases supposed to be justification for thousands of teens aborting perfectly healthy babies every year?"

Sorry needed to be quoted again.

4/26/2007 11:46:47 PM

^Last I checked, rates of abortion in teens are on the decline.

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"Because murdering a human is morally wrong, the on-demand pro-choicers must refuse to ever acknowledge the fetus' human status."

I'm gonna say something crazy here.

It is a human being, and I'm okay with offing it. It's a human being inside another human being, which to me makes it a different type of human being, and it's cool to kill it.

4/27/2007 8:06:24 AM

hypothetical question: If a person is dying for any reason, what responsibility do you have to save his or her life?

4/27/2007 9:51:20 AM