http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=450467&in_page_id=1965

Pretty interesting article

4/24/2007 11:08:27 PM

13 days huh ... so, it's winter twice a month?

4/24/2007 11:11:21 PM

13 day years

I might be able to keep my resolutions there

4/24/2007 11:16:01 PM

^ haha

4/24/2007 11:17:15 PM

wow, i bet you cant drink till you're 1800 years old.

4/24/2007 11:19:59 PM

i know this one was made earlier, but the other one, for whatever reason, caugh on, SO WTH WAS IT LOCKED????


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edit post i wonder if increased gravity would not just make you heavier, but force your body to work that much harder in supporting you, thereby always putting strain on your muscles and bodies - burning fat naturally... so when you came back here you'd be strong as hell and feel a helluva lot lighter.

4/25/2007 10:51:28 AM

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edit post sweet

i'd be like 300 years old

4/25/2007 10:53:18 AM

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edit post ^^ If you'd like to further study that theory I recommend watching DBZ !!

4/25/2007 11:08:29 AM

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edit post ^haha nice

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"i wonder if increased gravity would not just make you heavier, but force your body to work that much harder in supporting you, thereby always putting strain on your muscles and bodies - burning fat naturally... so when you came back here you'd be strong as hell and feel a helluva lot lighter."


yea but you would feel that shit like whoa, everything you did would be 1.6 times harder

4/25/2007 11:11:35 AM

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edit post It'd probably lead to back problems and bone stress too some parts of the body cannot adapt like muscles can

4/25/2007 11:19:28 AM

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edit post [old] to TWW another thread

ibtl

4/25/2007 11:22:28 AM

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edit post aha ^^^^

i think it was also one of the scientific explainations for the 1938 superman

4/25/2007 11:36:25 AM

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edit post good stuff

4/25/2007 1:10:20 PM

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4/25/2007 1:19:19 PM

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edit post Quote :
"yea but you would feel that shit like whoa, everything you did would be 1.6 times harder"


so any life there would have superhuman strength

we must bomb them

4/25/2007 1:40:54 PM

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edit post forget about it, with gas prices where they are now, we won't make the trip even if we do find the right wormhole.

4/25/2007 1:52:10 PM

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edit post this is great news...

however, not so exciting if you consider the fact that that we won't be able to develop the technology needed to get there in a few human lifetimes, for at least several centuries, if not several millenia, and if not never.

4/25/2007 1:56:26 PM

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edit post ^ the microprocessor is going to max out at clock speeds of 800-850 MHz. at that point the physical limits of our technology will be reached, and other materials will have to be researched.

4/25/2007 2:16:05 PM

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edit post If it were possible to go the speed of light, it would still take 20 years to get there. So basically, nobody will be going there for a long long long long long time, if ever.

4/25/2007 2:28:35 PM

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edit post Quote :
"at that point the physical limits of our technology will be reached, and other materials will have to be researched."


it will still take several centuries to several millenia (if ever) to research, develop, and perfect the technology enough to reach that planet in the time frame of a few human lifetimes.

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"If it were possible to go the speed of light, it would still take 20 years to get there. "


If humans really could get there in 20 years, trust me, we would be sending people within the next 50 years.

4/25/2007 2:32:05 PM

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edit post Well since its impossible to go the speed of light, its not really an issue now is it?

4/25/2007 3:35:04 PM

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edit post Sure, but I don't see why it is not possible to feasibly go 1/10 the speed of light in about 1,000-3,000 years from now.

And then several genius families could be sent on a giant ship, they have kids, who are trained to be astronauts from birth, then they have kids, etc.

Be there in 200 years!

4/25/2007 3:40:10 PM

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edit post Yeah but the thing about that is that humans travelling 200 yrs in space will be different from those on Earth. Socially, psychologically, physically, they wouldn't be the same. The only knowledge they would have of Earth would be what they learn in books, etc. and I would imagine radio contact with Earth would take a loooong time.

4/25/2007 3:44:14 PM

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edit post 1/10th is STILL 18,000 miles a second. Even in 2000 years, thats still going to be practically impossible

4/25/2007 3:45:13 PM

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edit post ^ yup pretty much.

^^ true. and about radio contact, wouldn't it take 20 years for just a one-way message? have they thought about what to do with that problem? even if one day we could get humans to some planet outside our solar system, communication would take too long for it to be meanigful.

imagine someone sending a "LOL" and then scientists at earth waiting for 20 years for the message thinking it is important, and upon hearing it, either go into a maniacal laughter, or send a ship loaded with NUKULAR weapons to the planet

4/25/2007 3:50:47 PM

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edit post this has Event Horizon written all over it

4/25/2007 3:55:58 PM

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edit post I bet in 2000 years we'll figure out how to go almost that fast, if not faster.

ANd they are already working on ways to send messages faster than light.

4/25/2007 4:02:18 PM

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edit post Ok you do realize the insane difference in sending a "message" close to the speed of light, and making an aircraft go that fast don't you?

And do you understand just how fast 18,000 miles a SECOND is?

4/25/2007 4:04:37 PM

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edit post The message thing was WRT OEP's saying even if we could go that fast, we couldn't communicate.

And do you realize how long 2000 years is? Think where we were 2000 years ago compared to now.

4/25/2007 4:06:24 PM

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edit post Quote :
"Think where we were 2000 years ago compared to now."


That's actually detimental to your message/cause!

The rate of development/technology is not linear wrt time, but exponential.

The technologies that will be developed from 2000 AD to 4000 AD will be FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR greater in quantity and quality than those developed from 0 AD to 2000 AD.

4/25/2007 4:34:48 PM

wtf, someone locked the wrong thread

4/25/2007 4:51:30 PM

this was posted many hours prior to the other thread - just because users are stupid and post in the wrong thread doesn't mean it's the right thread

4/25/2007 4:57:15 PM

^you're an idiot. no one posted in this thread.

4/25/2007 5:22:49 PM

^ yeah, no fucking shit. quit being a grandma, OMAR. you just fucked up one of the better Lounge threads in a while

4/25/2007 6:09:37 PM

just merge the threads

oh wait

4/25/2007 9:55:10 PM

from the other thread:

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"When you assume that it's possible to travel faster than the speed of light, you're taking the laws of physics and punching them in the stomach and throwing them down the stairs. "

to quote something i had bookmarked when reading about speed of light / 'time travel' only a few months ago :

"When you assume that it's possible to travel faster than the speed of light, you're taking the laws of physics and punching them in the stomach and throwing them down the stairs."



"So you see when you start off - at zero speed (0% of speed of light) your time is just regular i.e. the time slowing factor (xt) is equal to 1. As you speed up your time runs slower by the factor shown on the y-axis. As you are approaching 100% of the speed of light your time slows more and more until it is infinitely slowed down. (You should realize that everything slows down including your heart beats, your thoughts, etc.) So for an example if your ship goes at 98% of the speed of light and you take a one year journey, when you return to Earth five years have gone by.




This region of speeds below 100% of the speed of light is the region of our regular time or Real Time.

Now say somehow you were able to go faster than the speed of light (i.e. the v in the above equation is now greater than c the speed of light). The equation will then give us a square root of a negative number on the right hand side (which is an imaginary number.) Well I can factor out the imaginary unit number (i or the square root of minus one) and plot the result on the same graph. This region I call Imaginary Time since it is some weird time with an imaginary unit attached to it (so I don't really know what this time means.)

However you see that time in this imaginary region will speed up from infinity to the regular time speed of 1 and continue speeding up. At 140% or higher speed of light, time slowdown factor is less than one, i.e. time will go faster than in the stationary frame! So for an example if your ship goes at 200% of the speed of light and you take a one year journey, when you return to Earth only about 7 months have gone by. However I need to stress again that this is just a crazy thought experiment which produces some weird imaginary time and has no physical meaning. "

4/25/2007 10:12:07 PM

No one cares how smart you think you are.

4/25/2007 11:22:39 PM

I'm there, dude.

4/25/2007 11:25:40 PM

^^did you notice that he's quoting someone else?

[Edited on April 25, 2007 at 11:26 PM. Reason : -]

4/25/2007 11:25:48 PM

he oughtta post a source or something.

4/25/2007 11:33:04 PM

^^^^ i definitely didnt come up with those ideas at all . Those ideas basically come from High School physics. Being a mechanical engineer stuff like sound and light speed barriers have just generally been useful or interesting to me

wasnt trying to sound smart

/shrug

^i think i made it clear considering i actually put quotations around the information as well as said it came off of a site i had bookmarked and i obviously didnt create the pictures.


im also not saying anything in there is absolute fact. just something to think about. its not any huge scientific thing just a couple grad students' responses to a question about the speed of light.

[Edited on April 25, 2007 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2007 11:33:37 PM

^ well, actually it wasnt entirely clear.

Quote :

"we generally quote things like this around here"

and you didnt cite a source either.

personally i scan a lot of stuff here quickly, and if i see a huge amount of [words] in a some discussion that doestn look like a quote i think:

"oh man, another undergrad pushing their personal pet Grand Unification Theory"

this is a topic of interest to me, so i read it, but it took a moment or two before i realized you were quoting someone else.

4/25/2007 11:45:28 PM

regardless my first line of my post in response to the quote from the other thread was 'quoted from'. but it doesnt matter this is digressing from the thread.

4/25/2007 11:57:38 PM

this thread is already all fuckered up. thank OMAR for that

and, hey, gimme a quote on that shit you cut and pasted already.

i aint sayin "plagiarism" or anything, but I'd rather read the source than someone else's cut and paste.





[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 12:33 AM. Reason : ]

4/26/2007 12:32:03 AM

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae283.cfm

4/26/2007 1:09:31 AM

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"13 days huh ... so, it's winter twice a month? "

It's suspected that the planet doesn't spin independently (because it's so big and so close to its star), so one side of the planet is always day, one side is always night, so that would also mean no summer/winter.

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" That's actually detimental to your message/cause! The rate of development/technology is not linear wrt time, but exponential. The technologies that will be developed from 2000 AD to 4000 AD will be FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR greater in quantity and quality than those developed from 0 AD to 2000 AD."

That supports my cause. You're saying "yeah, we've come far in the past 2000 years, but we'll go even farther in the next 2000" which is what I was trying to point out. 1/10th the speed of light is within the realm of possibility 2000 years from now (i think sooner, but whatev).

[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 1:25 AM. Reason : ]

4/26/2007 1:20:07 AM

50 years ago, reputable scientists said it was "impossible" for humans to break the sound barrier.

yes, i know there's a significant difference between the nature of light and sound.

10 years ago, reputable scientists said it was "impossible" to ever break the 1GHz barrier for microprocessors.

..

i aint sayin we're gonna see anyone approach a significant fraction of the speed of light in our lifetime.

but i'm still skeptical of people who say "no way no how" with such certainty

..

i think i'll remain an agnostic on this issue for the time being.

4/26/2007 1:45:08 AM

I would like to go, when I build a rocket we shall travel.

4/26/2007 1:51:18 AM

im taking a trip with all the money i win on moola.com

4/26/2007 1:55:56 AM

^^^ i definitely understand your point. however scientists making claims that we would never break the sound barrier etc were pretty ignorant. i know hindsight is 20/20 but its the truth. light is different as so much truthful, visible physics is BASED on the speed of light thats its almost indescribable to think about even approaching the speed of light much less break it based on what we know about it whereas getting a faster microprocessor is on a much much larger scale. no huge laws of our universe are based on the speed of a microprocessor.

[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 2:19 AM. Reason : ^^^]

4/26/2007 1:56:19 AM

^ yeah, i agree with you exactly. the speed of sound, or even electron speeds across silicon junctions are kind of relative compared to the speed of light which is so fundamental to the structure of the universe ...

... at least as we currently understand it.

but im an agnostic who would like to put christians and atheists in a cage and watch them fight -- i might bet some money on one or the other, but not enought money to get me in trouble.

4/26/2007 2:07:41 AM

LOL typical TWW...you get halfway through the first page of the thread and the discussion is no where near on topic, instead users are arguing over how to quote something properly.

4/26/2007 9:45:03 AM

So theoretically if we were somehow able to reach the speed of light, since time slows down or whatever, would that mean that even though it seems to us that it is taking 20 years, would it seem to the astronauts onboard the spacecraft that it is taking less time?

4/26/2007 10:41:30 AM

it'll only take seconds to get to this "new earth" once i'm finished building my teleporter we just need to send a crew over there to put a port on that planet, then we will be set. maybe it'll be the new hot vacation spot. i'm gonna open up a club...hahaha

4/26/2007 10:48:50 AM

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"So theoretically if we were somehow able to reach the speed of light, since time slows down or whatever, would that mean that even though it seems to us that it is taking 20 years, would it seem to the astronauts onboard the spacecraft that it is taking less time?"

yes that's the whole theory behind space travel.

4/26/2007 10:49:51 AM

dont you people ever watch stargate?

4/26/2007 10:52:21 AM

Sweet... I'm moving

4/26/2007 11:42:13 AM

Taxes must suck there.

4/26/2007 1:58:07 PM

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"13 days huh ... so, it's winter twice a month?"

maybe their planet isn't tilted... or maybe it doesn't rotate at all.
winter isn't cause ONLY by the earth rotating around the sun.

pfft..







Also... i know we've been blasting radio waves into space but... who says they hear audio on the same frequency band if there is life there... i mean our microwaves might be able to talk to them better than we can.


[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

4/26/2007 2:04:11 PM

^ It's tide locked with its sun. Just like the moon and earth (we always see the same side of the moon).

4/26/2007 3:24:56 PM

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"winter isn't cause ONLY by the earth rotating around the sun."

Actually the seasons aren't AT ALL caused by the rotation around the sun.

They are caused due to the 23.5 degree tilt (which you did mention).

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

4/26/2007 6:27:41 PM

Probability of Alien Life + 10e$texas

4/26/2007 6:46:59 PM

^^ the tilt of earth and the distance from the sun both factor into the temperature, at different times in the year the earth is closer or further away from teh sun

4/26/2007 6:49:43 PM

w00t, love goes out to the hypothesized water planet!

4/26/2007 9:17:54 PM