So I have to get one in a few weeks and I need some input. If I were to shave all my hair right now, and were to quit smoking today, would I still need to wait a few weeks anyway? It makes sense to me that any THC metabolites in the body that are detected ~3-4 weeks in a urine test would still be in the newly grown hair. Also, has anyone ever tried the shampoo?

5/6/2007 4:16:34 PM

this does not bode well for spaceman spiff.

[Edited on May 6, 2007 at 4:18 PM. Reason : a]

5/6/2007 4:18:49 PM

MORE LIKE SPACEMAN SPLIFF AMIRITE

5/6/2007 4:26:23 PM

is this a gov't job ? if you haven't smoked any weed then you have nothing to worry about.

5/6/2007 4:45:24 PM

hair follicle is 90 days, bro. your best bet is to do some Bikram Yoga in Raleigh . . . drink plenty of fluids and relax on the bud, bro. and getting a haircut is nice too. get a good military haircut and trim your pubes (no homo) just in case.

5/6/2007 4:47:08 PM

if you shave your head, some companies will take hair from other parts of your body. if you shave your entire body then it's a safe bet the company will never hire you.

5/6/2007 5:05:52 PM

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"Hair drug testing Hair testing is quite accurate and can go back normally 3 months (6 months or longer possible with specialty tests), showing any drugs of abuse used in the detection window. As hair grows out, any drugs used are encased in the hair shaft, so the longer the hair, the longer back in the individual's drug history the lab can detect. Accredited hair drug testing labs, however, only use hair within about 2.5–4 cm of the scalp, and discard the rest. With head hair each 0.5 inch (0.8 cm) corresponds to about 30 days. This limits the detection history to about 90 days, depending upon the rate of growth of the individual's hair. Some people attempt to circumvent this through shaving their heads. In the absence of the required amount of hair on the scalp, body hair can be used as an acceptable substitute. It is also possible to use body hair to do hair drug testing, but since body hair grows slower, the head hair window of detection measures will not apply to body hair. Additionally, for pre-employment hair testing, the inability to obtain a sample may be grounds for not hiring the individual. Hair Testing labs are regulated by CLIA or SAMHSA (not FDA). There is a growing trend in major companies and law enforcement agencies to utilize hair analysis on account of its efficiency and reputation as the gold standard when considering test accuracy. This technology makes use of radioimmunoassay technology with subsequent confirmation by mass spectrometry. "

-wiki

5/6/2007 5:14:21 PM

or you could...you know, not smoke weed while looking for a job.

being a big pothead is lame enough, no need to be dumb about it.

5/6/2007 5:14:58 PM

why would you want to work in a profession that goes to great lengths to drug test people when you do drugs?

5/6/2007 6:18:31 PM

you should just accept the fact that you will fail and not use any drugs in the future no matter how good you think they make you feel

5/6/2007 6:20:27 PM

with the exception of jobs that directly effect public safety i do not see why companies drug test. if you come into work 8-5 work your ass off just as hard as anyone else i do not see why it matters what you do on your own time.

do not get me wrong if you come to work high as a kite or work shitty b.c you stayed up getting fucked up all night then your ass belongs out the door. I am certain that the guy that boozes it up everynight at the bar till 2 am is more of a problem then the guy who might smoke a bowl after work to chill.

5/6/2007 6:27:55 PM

do a Britney Spears and buy a good wig.

5/6/2007 6:28:04 PM

^^I agree 100% with that statement, and I'm proud to work for a company that doesn't drug test for that exact reason. Judge people based on their work performance, not their moral character.

5/6/2007 6:35:09 PM

we only get tested if you fuck up and cause an accident

5/6/2007 6:47:33 PM

it's easy enough to argue that taking illegal substances as a form of entertainment speaks something to your character.

5/6/2007 6:52:51 PM

drug testing threads on tww are probably the single best type of threads on tww

5/6/2007 6:58:19 PM

Grow up and stop smoking weed, hippie.

5/6/2007 7:16:51 PM

They did this kind of testing at my husband's last job. He had a female new hire call him pretty upset because of the area from which the tech wanted to take the sample. She was female and just out of the military with a very close cropped hairstyle. That was a few years ago when this was a really new thing, and she just thought the tech was being a perv.

5/6/2007 7:32:59 PM

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"it's easy enough to argue that taking illegal substances as a form of entertainment speaks something to your character."

legality does not equal morality

5/6/2007 8:00:08 PM

on a morality standpoint i view this pic worse than marijuana

5/6/2007 8:06:40 PM

i think that pic is smokin'

5/6/2007 8:10:38 PM

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"legality does not equal morality"

if you are willing to commit a misdemeanor or felony just to cut loose at the end of the day, it may or may not say something about your opinion about commiting them on the clock or even during work activities. there's plenty of things that are illegal, aren't necessarily immoral, but can hurt the company.

plenty of people see getting high off of whatever substance is hot that week as a sign of immaturity as well, particularly when you KNOW that many jobs test for this shit.

5/6/2007 8:30:53 PM

WOW ! i'm not sure, but i recall when i was looking for a job i didn't smoke any bud. i stopped cold turkey. now that i passed the piss test and i'm working on the job i smoke bud daily.



DISCIPLINE, B.

5/6/2007 8:41:17 PM

With some companies, drug testing is really more of an IQ test. If you're not bright enough to stop smoking weed long enough to pass the urine test, especially when the applications through hiring process can be so long, they don't want to hire you.

Good luck passing the hair test.

5/6/2007 10:08:44 PM

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"They did this kind of testing at my husband's last job. He had a female new hire call him pretty upset because of the area from which the tech wanted to take the sample. She was female and just out of the military with a very close cropped hairstyle. That was a few years ago when this was a really new thing, and she just thought the tech was being a perv."

hope she hit up the aclu and sued

5/6/2007 11:05:12 PM

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"legality does not equal morality"

so say all the convicts

5/6/2007 11:08:11 PM

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"Amsterdam718: WOW ! i'm not sure, but i recall when i was looking for a job i didn't smoke any bud. i stopped cold turkey. now that i passed the piss test and i'm working on the job i smoke bud daily. DISCIPLINE, B."

Actually, no, you didn't. You bitched and moaned and fretted about having to take drug tests.

Your "discipline" is laughable.

5/6/2007 11:19:31 PM

NOT too this capacity though and besides. i went clean during the job search process. i @ least knew that much.

5/6/2007 11:23:10 PM

^^ pzzwnt

5/6/2007 11:54:54 PM

even if most drugs were legal (and I think they should be), companies would still rightfully do drug screenings. it's not a matter of legality, it's a matter of not wanting to hire an addict - especially in an age of rampant lawsuits

5/7/2007 1:12:48 AM

your fucked dude, sounds like you've been smoking recently and a hair test will detect for at least 90 days.

what position are you applying for that is doing that test?

5/7/2007 1:30:23 AM

^^AHA. Bullshit.

There are people challenging drug tests while drugs are illegal.

When they become legal, employers will definitely have to fuck off.

Right?

5/7/2007 1:53:46 AM

^ first they won't be legal ever and second they could still test if they suspected you were on one while at the job. Similar to how you can be tested for alcohol, the thing is most drugs don't stay in your system very long. So you can drink or do hard drugs, but smoking pot fucks you because it actually stays for a lengthy amount of time.

5/7/2007 1:57:41 AM

^But if drugs were legal, could they still do preliminary tests and shit?

5/7/2007 2:02:54 AM

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"your fucked dude"

yep, proper fucked, you're gonna get canned or not get eh job...

5/7/2007 11:31:21 AM

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"But if drugs were legal, could they still do preliminary tests and shit?"

I've heard of companies that wouldn't hire people who smoked tobacco. It doesn't matter if it's legal the company can still choose not to hire people who use the substance. Just part of the screening process.

THE COMPANY WON'T HIRE ME BECAUSE I HAD UNDER A 3.0 GPA. BUT IT'S LEGAL TO HAVE UNDER A 3.0 HOW CAN THEY DO THIS.

5/7/2007 11:45:30 AM

Drug tests are lame. If a person isn't performing well at work, just fire them, don't hide behind the 'drugs are bad' mantra. At one job I worked at, they thought someone was doing drugs and wanted to fire him (his performance sucked) so they drug tested everyone and got a few people they weren't expecting and therefore had to revise their drug policy so that they didn't have to fire everyone.

Lesson of the story: BALLS UP AND FIRE SHITTY PEOPLE.

5/7/2007 11:51:35 AM

We have "random" drug tests here in the office. The only thing kinda random is the date. About every 3 months everyone gets tested. Except that one time when they were sneaky and did a second drug test about 2 weeks after the previous one. Good thing I'm a good boy

5/7/2007 11:52:39 AM

legality is what matters. you can't fire someone or require them to go to counseling if they test positive for a controlled substance that they have a valid medical prescription for. I personally would hate to have someone working under me that is stoned out of their mind on prescription benzos, but if they had a prescription for them you would not be able to reprimand them for it. You could find a way to fire them, but you better make damn sure that it never comes out that their medical prescriptions played any part in the matter.

5/7/2007 1:39:05 PM

^not totally correct. If someone operates heavy machinery for example and is taking a script that recommends not doing so while on the drug, job relatedness could be used to move that person to a different position, they could be put on LOA until they no longer had to take the drug, or even lawfully terminated.

5/7/2007 1:56:17 PM

but seriously, whats with all these laws about firing people? I know in KS its an "at-will" workplace so they can legally fire you for no reason/any reason and without warning.

5/7/2007 2:39:31 PM

NC is the most worker unfriendly state in the union in terms of at will employment, labor law ect....

the state basically has no laws in favor of employees, except the bare minimum required by federal law.

^they still have to follow all federal mandates on the subject.

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

5/7/2007 2:44:33 PM

you can fire someone without cause in NC, but most companies are stupid enough to list a reason for termination of employment. they still have to comply with federal labor laws, and you can get into deep shit if your reason for termination of employment is in violation of federal law.

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ^NC is very worker friendly. we keep the unions and the mobsters out]

5/7/2007 2:49:40 PM

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"NC is very worker friendly. we keep the unions and the mobsters out] "

yeah, i guess it depends on how you look at it......but you can still form unions in NC companies if you want, just not closed, union, or agency shops.

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"you can fire someone without cause in NC, but most companies are stupid enough to list a reason for termination of employment"

the firee can also bring wrongful termination accusations.....and it goes to an ALJ, if i'm not mistaken.


[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 2:55 PM. Reason : .]

5/7/2007 2:52:30 PM

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"I've heard of companies that wouldn't hire people who smoked tobacco. It doesn't matter if it's legal the company can still choose not to hire people who use the substance. Just part of the screening process. THE COMPANY WON'T HIRE ME BECAUSE I HAD UNDER A 3.0 GPA. BUT IT'S LEGAL TO HAVE UNDER A 3.0 HOW CAN THEY DO THIS."

Because a 3.0 supposedly says something about how hard you worked in school, how much you learned, etc...

But what does drug usage say about you necessarily?

Do they test for the tobacco, or just ask you if you use it, and tell you to fuck off so you won't hurt their health care?

5/7/2007 4:43:14 PM

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"We have "random" drug tests here in the office. The only thing kinda random is the date. About every 3 months everyone gets tested. Except that one time when they were sneaky and did a second drug test about 2 weeks after the previous one. Good thing I'm a good boy"

Your company sounds like it is flushing money down the toilet. Are you in an environment where safety is the concern?

5/7/2007 4:43:18 PM

^ I work in a Construction/home building office. Only about 15 or so people work here.

5/7/2007 4:58:14 PM

yea, random drug tests are fine when people work with heavy machinery imo, but in regular office settings where there's no chances of harming yourself or others it's just a waste of money and time.

5/7/2007 5:00:14 PM

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"But what does drug usage say about you necessarily?"

It says you're willing to do something illegal just to relax.
Shows you may not follow rules if you disagree with them.
Shows you don't really care about how the company looks (if you get caught, and you're in a high enough position, it might look bad)

I mean honestly, grow the fuck up. I don't judge people who smoke weed, a lot of my friends do. But don't bitch about your employer firing you or not hiring you because you do.

5/7/2007 5:33:05 PM

well driving over the speed limit and gambling $20 on a poker game are illegal too. Maybe companies should do a full background check into your personal life.

After all if you are going to do something illegal like drive 60 in a 45 you might do something else illegal too like steal a stapler from the office supply cabinet

5/7/2007 5:55:48 PM