http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/08/healthscience/snfat.php

Some people might say "duh" upon reading that, but this is the first time it has been spelled out by scientists.

5/25/2007 6:36:37 PM

wow, that's a pretty interesting study.

5/25/2007 6:42:40 PM

This is why I continue to say that we should harbor all fat people into camps, and farm them for parts--hair, meat, bones, fat, skin (so much skin) and cleanse our gene pool.

5/25/2007 6:45:39 PM

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"They dreamed of food, they fantasized about food or about breaking their diet. They were anxious and depressed; some had thoughts of suicide. They secreted food in their rooms. And they binged."

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"Eventually, more than 50 people lived at the hospital and lost weight, and every one had physical and psychological signs of starvation. "

5/25/2007 6:49:41 PM

I wonder if anyone used medicines like synthroid

5/25/2007 6:54:09 PM

To be honest, I don't take that much faith in article.

Diets are always going to be prone to failure and people will gain once they get off. I mean when people say "I'm going on a diet" it implies that they'll quit at some point in time.

However, if someone makes a lifestyle change, starts working out 3-4 times a week and eating healthy, I see no reason why the weight won't stay off.

5/25/2007 6:58:48 PM

seriously, the put them on a 600 calorie a day diet and then don't expect them to gain weight back after?

5/25/2007 7:13:31 PM

^ I thought the same thing.

5/25/2007 7:15:32 PM

Yeah, 600 calories a day is a starvation diet for most people and I cannot imagine that anyone would be able to maintain that level of calorie restriction. I think that anyone, not just overweight people, would gorge on food after being released from that situation.

5/25/2007 7:21:54 PM

Yeah, but they had a month of maintenance leve caloric intake, i.e. eating what a normal person would eat.

Hopefully these disgusting fat fucks will stop breeding and it'll lower insurance and medical costs.

5/25/2007 7:41:07 PM

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"And that led them to a surprising conclusion: fat people who lost large amounts of weight might look like someone who was never fat, but they were very different. In fact, by every metabolic measurement, they seemed like people who were starving."

This is why it is so fucked up when parents let/enable their kids to get obese. Sure, they may lose weight and be "normal" in the future, but their bodies will always have that fat "memory."

5/25/2007 7:49:06 PM

double post

[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 8:15 PM. Reason : oops]

5/25/2007 8:06:02 PM

Speaking as a person who has been fat my whole life but having lost a lot of weight in the past year--I've gained some, but nowhere near all of it back--I can say that the article, for me at least, seems to be very accurate. It really is more difficult than most people would imagine, and it's one of those things where, if you haven't experienced it in your life, you really won't understand it.

5/25/2007 8:10:33 PM

if fat people really want to lose weight, doctors should give them mono

i was fat from second grade to my peak senior year of hs at 225...i'm now currently like 170

5/25/2007 8:12:43 PM

interesting read.
I guess do your kids a favor and marry an attractive thin person

5/25/2007 8:16:32 PM

I read it.

5/25/2007 8:23:39 PM

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"This is why it is so fucked up when parents let/enable their kids to get obese. Sure, they may lose weight and be "normal" in the future, but their bodies will always have that fat "memory.""

Looks like somebody didn't understand the article. The "memory" you reference is in their genes, not their body's previous endomorphic state.

[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 8:51 PM. Reason : 2]

5/25/2007 8:48:34 PM

^I've read that cells have "memories."

Do our genes change when we get fat? I thought it was our cells?

Maybe I did miss something.

[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 8:55 PM. Reason : "Looks like somebody" is trite.]

5/25/2007 8:52:43 PM

no, I think that person understood it just fine - the article shows that genetics are a large (largest? no pun intended) contributor to obesity, but it is possible to train people to overcome that.

Some people are naturally going to be a size 2, other people are going to have to really work at it but have the genetic ability to stay a 10. For those people who would have to work for a 10 if their parents enabled them to be a 70-lb 3-year-old then they're probably not going to be able to control themselves later. Not sayin it's impossible, just unlikely, because those habits are ingrained.

Parents need to teach their kids good eating habits, including when it is and is not OK to have junk food. (Example: OK to have a cookie after dinner ... all of it, including veggies. Not OK to eat a box of cookies for a snack.) Depriving people of food is ALWAYS going to fail as a diet.

5/25/2007 8:59:22 PM

did you people even read the entire article?

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"This is why it is so fucked up when parents let/enable their kids to get obese. Sure, they may lose weight and be "normal" in the future, but their bodies will always have that fat "memory.""

in the study of adopted kids, whether the adopter parents were fat or thin didnt have any bearing on the weight of the child, it depended on the weight of the birth parents.

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"However, if someone makes a lifestyle change, starts working out 3-4 times a week and eating healthy, I see no reason why the weight won't stay off."

the article says that yes, that can happen, but the obese people have to be constantly aware. They can't be like 95% of normal weight people and eat a hamburger every other day and drink soda constantly and not worry about how many miles they're gonna have to run to burn it of.

Maybe you've never been on a diet, so just try counting the calories you eat in a day, and then imagine doing that every day before every meal for the rest of your life. A "lifestyle change" doesnt mean they become like a normal person, cause a normal person doesnt give a shit about what they eat.

The only question I didnt find an answer for is why america has become more and more obese if it is genetic. I'm wondering if it has something to do with chemicals and pesticides.... fat people havent been reproducing more than thing people, have they? Why is there suddenly an "epidemic" in the past couple decades? Is it simply the more sedentary lifestyle and people still have the caloric need genes of a more active one?

5/25/2007 9:00:20 PM

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"Why is there suddenly an "epidemic" in the past couple decades? "

you had already answered your own question...

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"a normal person doesnt give a shit about what they eat."

We, as Americans, eat a totally absurd diet. Some people are fairly active...some work out...but few REALLY are physically active enough or exercise hard enough and often enough (I mean, look at people in the gym sometime...most of them are doing something, but it isn't really serious training). Few of us have it in balance, though, as evidenced by the fact that clearly a majority of Americans have, over time, been consuming a greater number of calories than they have expended.

5/25/2007 9:18:40 PM

Technology will eventually solve the problem for us, though I'm sure the solution won't be cheap.

5/25/2007 9:21:38 PM

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"This is why I continue to say that we should harbor all fat people into camps, and farm them for parts--hair, meat, bones, fat, skin (so much skin) and cleanse our gene pool."

funny, i was thinking we should put all asian people into camps.

5/25/2007 9:31:39 PM

it's ok fatty

5/25/2007 9:39:28 PM

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"in the study of adopted kids, whether the adopter parents were fat or thin didnt have any bearing on the weight of the child, it depended on the weight of the birth parents."

I understand about the genes and whatnot. I'm not retarded...of my 12 female relatives (grandmothers, mother, sister, aunts, and cousins), 3 are of a healthy weight...one is old and doesn't eat like she used to, another watches calories like a crazy woman, and another is bulimic.

I'm talking about cell memory here, folks. Like, when a mother who is genetically predisposed to be thin has a child and enables that child to obesity...that child's cells will be forever different even if the child loses weight as an adult.

5/25/2007 9:48:04 PM

i dont get this cell memory thing

sounds like something fat people use as an excuse honestly

5/25/2007 9:49:56 PM

^My understanding is that it's a new, unsure thing, and I've never heard a fat person talk about cell memory. I personally don't talk about it or genetic predisposition when examining myself. Cause I'm also predisposed to build muscle...kinda silly of me to lay around on the couch, bitching about how I'm built to be fat when three months in the gym could have me stronger than three, four average women combined.

[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 10:03 PM. Reason : sss]

5/25/2007 10:01:55 PM

when a fat person looses a lot of weight, it is easily gained back because these cells are used to being fat. The study showed that what happens when they are put on the diets is the cells shrink, but then they can quickly grow back if they person goes back to eating a lot. Look at the part of the study where they had normal weight people gain weight and then loose it. No problem for them.

5/25/2007 10:12:53 PM

I don't know. After going through the experiences I have lately I find it hard to be sympathetic with the heavyweights. Except, of course, the ones that medically cannot help it.

If you really want something bad enough you can have it.

5/25/2007 10:58:22 PM

^

i do believe though that we all have a "natural" bodyweight that our bodies will try to hover around

5/25/2007 11:09:31 PM

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"This is why I continue to say that we should harbor all fat people into camps, and farm them for parts--hair, meat, bones, fat, skin (so much skin) and cleanse our gene pool."

Don't they already do that in China?

5/25/2007 11:21:27 PM

then we could do it with black people!

5/25/2007 11:22:58 PM

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"Don't they already do that in China?"

No, they just have poor people.

5/25/2007 11:56:25 PM

i bet china as a whole is like 5 times more healthy than all the lard asses in america

[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 12:03 AM. Reason : just a guess]

5/26/2007 12:03:43 AM

i fluctuate from 180-200... dont know why, i never notice until im actually on a weight scale and its like oh wow, i just gained 15 pounds... and when I do gain the weight i barely notice

im not fat, at all, but some people may think 200 is a lot for a person who is 5'9-5'10

i just have a lot of core muscles

5/26/2007 12:09:56 AM

i dropped from 165 to 140ish a few years ago.

i just exercised every day and didnt eat alot of shit.

now i have alittle beer pudge and it wont go away

ha

5/26/2007 12:23:50 AM

yeah, i think we should totally get all the little Asians and stick them in camps.

they're fucking weird. what with all their Hentai, Bukkake, kitten-stomping, Pokemon, Bubble Tea, Hi Hi Puffy ami Yumi... they're infecting our culture with their weird shit.

round 'em up, I say, round 'em up.

5/26/2007 12:26:03 AM

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"i fluctuate from 180-200... dont know why, i never notice until im actually on a weight scale and its like oh wow, i just gained 15 pounds... and when I do gain the weight i barely notice im not fat, at all, but some people may think 200 is a lot for a person who is 5'9-5'10 i just have a lot of core muscles"

"core muscles" is not the same thing as "core fat"

5/26/2007 12:27:38 AM

^^

...eel porn, professional sex wrestling, buying 20 year old American sneakers, scat fetishes...

[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 12:35 AM. Reason : asdf]

5/26/2007 12:35:06 AM

^^FTW....def....if you are 5'10" and weigh 200 lbs you have a little more than "core muscles" your core muscles will have muscles at that point. Most HUGE running backs are 5'10"-6' and weight 200 lbs. if you were that size and not fat you would have more than core muscles

[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 12:40 AM. Reason : ...]

5/26/2007 12:39:56 AM

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"Kiwi: I don't know. After going through the experiences I have lately I find it hard to be sympathetic with the heavyweights. Except, of course, the ones that medically cannot help it. If you really want something bad enough you can have it."

The point is that some people don't have to want it "bad enough," and they're still thin/average weight.

Furthermore, I'm kinda disgusted by you. You've started multiple public attempts to lose weight (and failed), and now that you're actually losing weight, you "find it hard to be sympathetic with the heavyweights." That's great. Congratulations on cursing yourself to fatassedness for the rest of your life. Because I guarantee you that if you continue thinking fat folks are significantly different than you, you'll end up fat again...

[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 12:45 AM. Reason : sss]

5/26/2007 12:43:06 AM

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"The point is that some people don't have to want it "bad enough," and they're still thin/average weight."

Them's the breaks.

I have chubby genetics. I stay in shape.

No sympathy from me.

5/26/2007 12:53:18 AM

Nobody's asking for sympathy from you. (I take my fat ass life over your trashy military bastard child with a crazy bitch thing you pretend works...) NO SYMPATHY FOR YOU!!!

But if you choose to pretend like genetics doesn't affect weight, then you choose to be ignorant. And I don't think you're ignorant.

I also want to know more about your "chubby" genetics. Is your family fat or not? If you didn't have sports/military, where do you think you would be? Ignore the facts of the article and claim "no sympathy" if you please...Kiwi will still end up fat again.

[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 1:11 AM. Reason : aaa]

5/26/2007 1:08:47 AM

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"But if you choose to pretend like genetics doesn't affect weight, then you choose to be ignorant."

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"I have chubby genetics. I stay in shape."

so he is basically admitting that genes play a role in weight but he stays in shape and somehow he is choosing to "pretend like genetics doesn't affect weight"? sounds like he has a grip on reality that is far from ignorant

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"If you didn't have sports/military, where do you think you would be?"

i dont want to speak for him but i'm guessing he'd be in the same situation...if hes smart enough to realize he has "chubby genetics", he probably is going to do SOMETHING(other than sports/military i guess, since there are other ways to stay in shape- example: walking places instead of driving) to stay in shape

what i cant stand is people act like they are in a helpless situation, when in fact all it would take is a few lifestyle changes

the only fat people i have sympathy for are the ones that absolutely can NOT control it...everyone else has the opportunity to be fit



[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 1:17 AM. Reason : ESPECIALLY LIVING IN A COUNTRY LIKE THE UNITED STATES]

5/26/2007 1:15:17 AM

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" "core muscles" is not the same thing as "core fat""

i dont look fat, and im positive if you saw me with my shirt off you wouldnt think I was fat


I play soccer everyday for 2-3 hours... I dont think fat people would be able to run for more than 5min


Im not a bodybuilder and I definitely dont look super muscular.. but i have some definition


If you want I can post pics, but that would be too much ... unless you would really like to see them haha

5/26/2007 1:17:15 AM

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"so he is basically admitting that genes play a role in weight but he stays in shape and somehow he is choosing to "pretend like genetics doesn't affect weight"? sounds like he has a grip on reality that is far from ignorant"

No, it doesn't sound like he has a grip since he has "no sympathy" for fat folks. If he really is genetically predisposed to be fat then he really does have to work very hard to stay in shape on his own...then he would have sympathy cause he would understand how hard it is. He clearly doesn't understand because he has "no sympathy."

He also does not understand what it's like to have a professional job that involves working 12 hours a day every day of the week...there's no room for "officer fitness" there...

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"what i cant stand is people act like they are in a helpless situation, when in fact all it would take is a few lifestyle changes the only fat people i have sympathy for are the ones that absolutely can NOT control it...everyone else has the opportunity to be fit"

That's adorable. I can't count the number of times you've talked about how lazy you are and how you should be fatter than you are now. Shut the fuck up...you're soft...just like a fat person...

[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 1:46 AM. Reason : sss]

5/26/2007 1:45:44 AM

Does it suck for some people because they have to work harder and staying at shape? Yes.

I am one of those people, my family is overweight and I have work hard to stay in shape.

I think what theDuke866 is saying is that he has no sympathy for overweight people who don't put in the extra effort to stay in shape yet bitch about their genetics and use it as a crutch.

So you have to work out one or two times a week more than someone else or can't eat fast food as much? Who the fuck cares. Unless something is seriously long with your metabolism, anyone can be in shape.

5/26/2007 1:52:16 AM

There's also gastric bypass.

5/26/2007 1:54:39 AM

^^^

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"I think what theDuke866 is saying is that he has no sympathy for overweight people who don't put in the extra effort to stay in shape yet bitch about their genetics and use it as a crutch."

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"That's adorable. I can't count the number of times you've talked about how lazy you are and how you should be fatter than you are now. Shut the fuck up...you're soft...just like a fat person..."

lol come on bridget...i mean come on...i dont think you are retarded but this thread is making me wonder...i am in no way lazy...there is no reason i should be "fatter than i am now"...you know why??? CAUSE I FUCKING EAT HEALTHY AND EXERCISE...ITS NOT THAT FUCKING HARD...ITS CALLED LIVING....ITS CALLED LIVING HEALTHY...I'M SORRY YOU FIND THIS SO HARD...ITS REALLY NOT

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"If he really is genetically predisposed to be fat then he really does have to work very hard to stay in shape on his own...then he would have sympathy cause he would understand how hard it is."

he should have sympathy??? why, BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SAY SO? BECAUSE YOU ARE A FAT BROAD THAT DOESNT CHANGE HER LIFESTYLE LIKE SHE SHOULD?...i'd say if he has fat genes and stays fit then why dont the rest of the people with fat genes do the same? you fat people are hysterical...

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"He also does not understand what it's like to have a professional job that involves working 12 hours a day every day of the week...there's no room for "officer fitness" there..."

the guys is a mechanical engineer and is in the army...how is that not a professional job?...and if you are using that as an example(excuse) why others are fat its still flawed...WALK YOUR FAT ASS TO YOUR JOB, THATS EASY EXERCISE...

fat people need to realize their excuses will not make them skinny....then once they stop making excuses they can start exercising and eat right and maybe lose some fucking weight

5/26/2007 2:05:30 AM

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"I play soccer everyday for 2-3 hours... I dont think fat people would be able to run for more than 5min "

Hate to tell you bro, but fat / overweightedness has no direct correlation to cardiovascular fitness. Even at 240lbs (almost 50 lbs over my ideal weight) I could and did still run 8-10 miles at a stretch at a 8:30-9:30 mile pace.

Having extra fat doesn't necessarily make you lazy, unfit or inactive. I'm not saying it's an excuse AT ALL, but there's definitely a split.

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"Parents need to teach their kids good eating habits, including when it is and is not OK to have junk food. (Example: OK to have a cookie after dinner ... all of it, including veggies. Not OK to eat a box of cookies for a snack.) Depriving people of food is ALWAYS going to fail as a diet. "

This is another HUGE problem and you don't even realize it. Making kids "clear their plates" to get desert is just setting them up for binge eating habits later in life. It's taken me YEARS to get past the near instinctual habit to eat what I order/put on my plate regardless of my level of hunger.

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"The only question I didnt find an answer for is why america has become more and more obese if it is genetic. I'm wondering if it has something to do with chemicals and pesticides.... fat people havent been reproducing more than thing people, have they? Why is there suddenly an "epidemic" in the past couple decades? Is it simply the more sedentary lifestyle and people still have the caloric need genes of a more active one?"

There is no epidemic. People have been fat and skinny for thousands of years. There are several big reasons why there are way more fatties now, and why the LEVELS of gross-obesity have skyrocketed.

1) Corn Syrup. You can thank the US government for that. The shit is in damn near every food we eat, it's high in calories (in a good way in this instance), it's EXTREMELY cheap and in great supply. It allows poor americans to eat a much higher calorie diet than in previous generations.

2) The white collar service revolution. American jobs are moving into more and more sedentary, mental competence positions. Less manual labor = fewer calories burned, but more stress. Stress releases cortisol (sp?) which inhibits fat burning even more. We burn fewer calories and slow our body's ability to burn them to a crawl.

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"He also does not understand what it's like to have a professional job that involves working 12 hours a day every day of the week...there's no room for "officer fitness" there... "

Fuck yes there is. That is an excuse to the nth degree. I worked 40 hours a week, went to school for 50-60 and STILL had time to train for a marathon last year. You CAN make time, you CHOOSE not to. And yes, I am a genetic fatty who struggles every damn day to keep myself in shape.

I have no fucking sympathy sedentary people. I used to say fatties, but I have changed that tune recently. I know so many overweight people who are in GREAT cardiovascular and muscular shape, and just as many skinny people who couldn't run a mile if you put a gun to their head.

I loathe sedentary people, the ones who don't value their fitness or health.

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"fat people need to realize their excuses will not make them skinny....then once they stop making excuses they can start exercising and eat right and maybe lose some fucking weight"

For once I can't believe this, but I agree with drunknloaded.

Life isn't fair. SO get the fuck over it and do what YOU need to do to stay healthy. I'm in the fatty brigade too. I live on about an 800 calorie diet right now, because I'm not as active as I normally am. When I am running/playing soccer/et al I am still only eating about 1500-2200 calories a day to maintain my weight. My metabolism is slow as fucking molasses.

But it's also pretty cool, because I know in an emergency I would outlive all the skinny fucks.

5/26/2007 2:35:32 AM