. . . damn near all of their aides' email records.

White House aides' e-mail records are just plain ... gone

Quote :

" E-mail records are missing for 51 of the 88 White House officials who had electronic message accounts with "the Republican National Committee, the House Oversight Committee said Monday. The Bush administration may have committed "extensive" violations of a law requiring that certain records be preserved, said the committee's Democratic chairman, adding that the panel will deepen its probe into the use of political e-mail accounts. The committee's interim report said the number of White House officials who had RNC e-mail accounts, and the number of messages they sent and received, were more extensive than previously realized. The administration has said that about 50 White House officials had RNC e-mail accounts during Bush's presidency. But the House committee found at least 88."

man, the shit just keeps getting deeper.

Quote :

"The 51 include Ken Mehlman, a former White House political director who reportedly used his RNC account frequently, the report said. "Given the heavy reliance by White House officials on RNC e-mail accounts, the high rank of the White House officials involved, and the large quantity of missing e-mails," the report said, "the potential violation of the Presidential Records Act may be extensive." White House press secretary Tony Snow told reporters he would not "respond specifically" to the committee's findings"

Because, he implied, the White House has long since pulled into full damage control mode, and if anyone breathes a fucking word to the press, Dick Cheney will sodomize them with an ice axe.

Quote :

"There is evidence that under Gonzales the office "may have known that White House officials were using RNC e-mail accounts for official business, but took no action to preserve these presidential records," the report said. Snow said of the claim: "That's an allegation. We'll respond to it in due course.""

And if you looked close enough, the thought bubble above Snow's head read, "what, you think I'm stupid? You think you can scare me? I been around this block a few times. You better bring it! Yeah... that's what i thought, bitch."

Quote :

"[T]he Bush Cheney '04 campaign ... acknowledges providing e-mail accounts "to 11 White House officials, but the campaign has unjustifiably refused to provide the committee with basic information about these accounts, such as the identity of the White House officials and the number of e-mails that have been preserved. Eric Kuwana, the Bush-Cheney campaign's counsel, said the requested documents "...very well may be the type and nature of political documents that are specifically exempt from the Presidential Records Act.""

"...or they might not be. who knows? I'll tell you what, you don't fucking know, and we ain't tellin you a got-damn thing.", Kuwana might have muttered under his breath.

Quote :

"the White House counsel in early 2001 "issued clear written policies" instructing staffers "to use only the official White House e-mail system for official communications and to retain any official e-mails they received on a nongovernmental account." Recent evidence "indicates that White House officials used their RNC e-mail accounts in a manner that circumvented these requirements," the report said."

well, hey, the counsel didnt say anything about sending government email from their Hotmail and Yahoo! account's either!

http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/07/06/19/0018249.shtml

it is just completely apparant that this Administration is either (1) completely incompetent, unable to master basic email technology, or even count for that matter, or (2) a bunch of lying, scheming criminals attempting a mass cover up that makes Watergate look like playground antics.



[Edited on June 18, 2007 at 11:11 PM. Reason : ]

6/18/2007 11:10:18 PM

i'm going to go ahead and go with number 2 there Bob

6/19/2007 12:05:18 AM

combination of the 2?

6/19/2007 12:05:45 AM

just watch the e-mails appear when the heat is turned up

people are going to fry for this

6/19/2007 12:07:06 AM

i think this rises to the level of justifying search warrants to seize the servers and perform some forensics on the hard drives.

but I also wouldnt be surprised if Tony Snow then said,

Quote :

"Well, it appears we somehow inadvertently wrote random 1's and 0's on the disk sectors in question. And we did that seven times. Oops. Sorry. What can you do? Anyhow, this is all just standard DoD protocols that were put in place by the Clinton Administration. Say, why don't you go ask Bill about it."

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 12:18 AM. Reason : ]

6/19/2007 12:14:12 AM

if you seize their hard drives, how are they going to backup their data h0h0h0h0h

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 12:37 AM. Reason : sdf]

6/19/2007 12:17:46 AM

We were all just as upset when Hillary "lost" her Rose Law Firm records, right?

I'm just checking.

6/19/2007 12:46:32 AM

^ Most of us were wee tots during that incident... I somehow don't think it was on the forefront of our concerns.

6/19/2007 12:55:06 AM

Quote :

"justifying search warrants to seize the servers"

or we could just use the patriot act and warrantless wiretapping laws to negate the necessity of a warrant

6/19/2007 12:56:32 AM

^^^http://www.google.com/search?q=rose+law+firm+records

yep, that talking point has been effectively distributed to republicans.

"If it was wrong for Hillary to do it, (during his term as PRESIDENT on a much larger scale) it's wrong for Bush to ....... Oh wait, never mind. I want it to be interpreted the other way."

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 12:59 AM. Reason : sd]

6/19/2007 12:58:55 AM

but but but

Clinton LIED about getting a BLOWJOB from an intern while in the whitehouse. Fucking liberals always trying to start shit

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 1:33 AM. Reason : l]

6/19/2007 1:33:01 AM

Quote :

"We were all just as upset when Hillary "lost" her Rose Law Firm records, right? "

hillary wasnt required by congressional Presidential Records Acts to comply with federal recordkeeping.

because, see... she wasnt the president at the time the allegedly questionable Real Estate Deals occurred. and neither was her husband. and so she wasnt employing a staff of White House aids to manage political appointments to sensitive government positions nor was she...

hey...

wait a minute...

are you trying to troll me with a blatantly retarded red herring?

because...

that would just be retarded.

6/19/2007 1:39:41 AM

It's only ok when democrats lose their records, duh. Travelgate, filegate, whitewatergate, etc...

6/19/2007 7:10:32 AM

How about:

It's not okay for any of these pretentious pricks to 'lose' their shit like this and continually abuse their power. They should be held responsible for their crimes, ALL OF THEM.

Given, Bush would probably be rotting under the jail if that were the case, but I'm sure the Clinton's would be dining with Bob the butcher too.


^
you'd also be in jail for trying to commit fraud in a perfect world.

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 7:35 AM. Reason : .]

6/19/2007 7:33:32 AM

Does anyone else actually think anything will come of this? Somehow, I always get the feeling that the Dems and Repubs are in too deep with each other to really try to destroy the other side.

6/19/2007 9:26:43 AM

even small buisnesses back-up their files including email. I am sure with the budget cuts these days Bush has not had a chance to buy an extra server to back up important white house correspondence. After I am interested in the the emails between Cheney and his buddies at Haliburton.

It really is amazing that even after all the scandalous shit that has gone down with this administration a lot of people still support "W and friends." From what I have heard from friends from other countries and friends who have visited other countries and talked to the locals, virtually no one likes George W. I do not see how the American public tolerates what has been going on. I think Bush replaces Reagan as the Teflon president. Even when shit does go down the blame ends up going on someone else and they resign their position. Has any president since Nixon had so many cabinet members and appointed officials resign/removed??

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 10:32 AM. Reason : l]

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 10:33 AM. Reason : l]

6/19/2007 10:18:10 AM

like he's the first to get rid of some files...

6/19/2007 10:45:59 AM

I guess invasion of privacy is ok as long as its Republican email addresses

I can imagine the "Bush is trampling on our rights!!11" crowd if the parties were switched

6/19/2007 10:51:57 AM

The difference is Bush is a publicly elected official.

6/19/2007 10:55:01 AM

I guess since Bush is publicly elected, all of his emails should be public...even ones dealing with classified national security issues...you know, cause he's a publically elected official

6/19/2007 10:59:02 AM

I guess since there was a law passed saying the white house had to back up all information like that, including e-mails it's okay for him to ignore the law, since it was passed before he was in office. Just like that constitution thing, it's okay for him to ignore it since it was signed before he was elected.


Don't be a moron.

6/19/2007 11:05:34 AM

like i said, he's not the first to do this, and wont be the last...

6/19/2007 11:08:57 AM

^^back up "all information like that"?

good thing you already know more than the investigators who said "The Bush administration may have committed "extensive" violations of a law requiring that certain records be preserved"

they should really call you up to expedite this process since you clearly know more than them

but I'm being a moron for simply pointing out typical TSB partisan hypocrisy, k

6/19/2007 11:09:18 AM

if you can read a few posts up i said put them all under the jail.

but it is common sense to backup all data anyway, unless you're trying to hide something.

oh wait

you could make the argument that they're just incompetent, but then you'd be defending morons. you're at a little dilemma aren't you?

6/19/2007 11:12:51 AM

they're morons when its convenient for your argument, but sometimes they're really smart and secretive when thats convenient for your argument

its just odd that you already know what has happened and what should now happen when the investigators dont...i guess the investigators are morons so you're defending morons?

6/19/2007 11:14:58 AM

Quote :

"you'd also be in jail for trying to commit fraud in a perfect world."

pwnt

6/19/2007 11:18:22 AM

Quote :

"but I'm being a moron for simply pointing out typical TSB partisan hypocrisy"

I do not see how it is a "partisian" issue. I guess it is ok for public officials to break the law or ignore the constitution as long as they are part of the same party as you are. Republicans and Democrats should critique and criticize actions by members of there own party. This is one thing I hate about bi-partisan politics.

6/19/2007 11:20:04 AM

first of all i'm gonna need you to point out where anyone in this issue is "ignoring the constitution"

throwing phrases around like that carelessly is pretty irresponsible

the reason its partisan is because the same people demanding for these emails are the same people that would be shitting a brick and saying "bush is taking our freedoms and privacy!" if they wanted access to democrats' emails

let alone the FACT that this is all speculation and hearsay and they are simply allegations right now, although many of you already seemed convinced they're guilty, because of your partisan views

6/19/2007 11:23:09 AM

^in this case, pretty true

but lets all conveniently ignore the missing clinton files.... that's much more fun...

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 11:26 AM. Reason : d]

6/19/2007 11:26:02 AM

Oh god, TreeTwista came back and is gracing us with his brilliant logic and reasoning.

(comment about my trolling and how I am not adding to this thread to follow)

6/19/2007 11:29:16 AM

^what a surprise, that post has nothing at all to do with the thread topic

I expected something pertinent to the topic, boy am I surprised!

6/19/2007 11:31:14 AM

Quote :

"I guess invasion of privacy is ok as long as its Republican email addresses I can imagine the "Bush is trampling on our rights!!11" crowd if the parties were switched"

Ok, I'll bite.

Bush and the neoclowns are the ones that made the bed they are going to have to sleep in. No one likes invasion of privacy when it happens to them, maybe they should have thought of that before they started sidestepping FISA and created the rights trampling Patriot Act.

Your attempting to twist this into a partisan thing (more-so than might be apparent) is what kills threads like this, not me pointing out how retarded you are.

6/19/2007 11:35:57 AM

So you were obviously opposed to any invasions of privacy from FISA, Patriot Act, etc...but in this case you don't care about that...yet its not a partisan issue? right...

6/19/2007 11:39:09 AM

there's a difference between the gov't nosing into citizen's shit and citizens nosing into the government's shit.

6/19/2007 11:40:37 AM

oh without a doubt, but im talking about if democrats in office were going to have their emails confiscated or read or what have you

i guess its a lot easier to tell if something is partisan/political when you're on the outside looking in

6/19/2007 11:42:11 AM

I think all of us are in agreement that both parties should be held equally accountable despite twista saying we're all being partisan.

Illegal is illegal, regardless of party, and elected officials should be held to a higher standard if they're claiming they can legislate the majority. Otherwise we just have a bullshit aristocracy which is no better than fiefdom. I mean, most of these people in office now seem to come from long lines of families with established power anyway.

6/19/2007 11:46:17 AM

Quote :

"So you were obviously opposed to any invasions of privacy from FISA, Patriot Act, etc...but in this case you don't care about that...yet its not a partisan issue? right..."

Yes, I am against invasion of private citizens privacy. I however am not against government oversight, they are two different issues. Hell, FISA and the Patriot Act really doesn't have anything to do with the Presidential Records Act, it was an inadvertent red herring I threw out that you apparently didn't catch.

6/19/2007 11:51:41 AM

Quote :

"the reason its partisan is because the same people demanding for these emails are the same people that would be shitting a brick and saying "bush is taking our freedoms and privacy!" if they wanted access to democrats' emails"

I agree democrats in positions of authority should have the same accountability. Using your logic you would probably not find a problem with the anomalies such as the 18 1/2 min gap in the Watergate tapes during the Nixon Investigation. After all he "has his right to privacy" to gossip in the oval office. If Bush can use his Patriot Acts to snoop around the average American then I think he should be held to the same standard. I guess we should not question or investigate the actions of our leaders in office. They are super heroes and work hard to ensure the perfect happy society.

This isn't CNN trying to put on the news all of the nations security secrets. This article relates to a Congressional committee investigating possible violations by an elected politician.

Besides there is a reason they are called a PUBLIC official

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : l]

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : l]

6/19/2007 11:53:05 AM

Quote :

""the reason its partisan is because the same people demanding for these emails are the same people that would be shitting a brick and saying "bush is taking our freedoms and privacy!" if they wanted access to democrats' emails""

Why do you do this in every single thread? Why don't you, and Wlfpk4Life, and your ilk, rather than screaming

"BUT IF A DEM DID IT, YOU LIBERALS WOULDN'T SAY THE SAME THING"

wait until a situation arises where the liberals here don't condemn a Democrat for this. You keep spouting this tripe partisan bullshit over and over, just stirring up a controversy where there is none.

Even when multiple people in this very thread have said they are against any party doing things illegal, you continue to troll and say they wouldn't. Stop. Stop being the troll cum flake that you always are and actually add some insight to this section if you have any.

6/19/2007 11:55:30 AM

^so what exactly do you know about this aside from the ALLEGATIONS so far based on a few newspaper stores? or are you just itching to bash bush for yet another thing? I already convinced HUR that he didnt know as much as he thought about the issue, considering the investigators dont have any proof yet...but some TWW troll like Blind Hate knows more than the people actually investigating this issue

6/19/2007 12:27:05 PM

Wha wha wha, you should come up with a new TreeTwista posting template, the one where

1. You don't respond directly to a point because it was so well made, it generally can't be refuted
2. but instead you post some new tripe shit (^ like that) in an effort to troll
3. then try to call me a troll for pointing it out, like you didn't do anything wrong

that template has gotten pretty tired.

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason : formatting]

6/19/2007 12:29:17 PM

You know more than the investigators, you and HUR should fly to Washington and shed some light on this case

6/19/2007 12:29:59 PM

You wanna do something else other than troll this thread?

6/19/2007 12:31:57 PM

When I correctly assume that people will react to what they don't want to hear in this way, I don't have a problem trolling the piss out of them

6/19/2007 12:33:06 PM

I didn't think so.

6/19/2007 12:34:46 PM

shouldnt you be catching a plane to Washington since you already know which allegations are facts? Those investigators need your help

6/19/2007 12:36:10 PM

Quit trying to troll you imbecile. I have said nothing in this thread that would allow any sane and rational person to make the statement you are making. Add something worthwhile or quite posting in this thread.

6/19/2007 12:41:06 PM

Quote :

"Add something worthwhile or quite posting in this thread. "

6/19/2007 12:41:58 PM

Quote :

"1. You don't respond directly to a point because it was so well made, it generally can't be refuted 2. but instead you post some new tripe shit (^ like that) in an effort to troll 3. then try to call me a troll for pointing it out, like you didn't do anything wrong"

As soon as you post something worth responding to, we can get this thread back on the right path to discussing this topic.

[Edited on June 19, 2007 at 12:57 PM. Reason : worthwhile]

6/19/2007 12:56:48 PM

why dont you add something worthwhile or QUITE posting in the thread

or does your faggot troll ass just HAVE to get the last word

6/19/2007 12:57:20 PM