http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070813/COLUMNISTS05/70812008

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"The Greenville News reported that 84 percent of South Carolina’s and 56 percent of Clemson’s football recruits in the last three years have been “special admits,” meaning those players cleared NCAA minimums but fell below academic requirements the individual schools place on their general student body."

Any way to find this information for the rest of the ACC?

8/13/2007 1:11:25 PM

no shit....there goes the "acc has such high academic requirements" argument....i didn't even know that schools could do this....

8/13/2007 1:16:26 PM

This falls under the "no shit" category. It's the same in every school in any BCS conference save Duke (football), Rice and Stanford (everything).

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 1:18 PM. Reason : x]

8/13/2007 1:17:52 PM

"Coach Amato, how did Akron beat you??"





"They're in a conference that allows non-qualifiers in school"

8/13/2007 1:19:21 PM

glad we dont have to hear any of those lame ass excuses anymore^

8/13/2007 1:50:58 PM

but but but thats the whole reason that the ACC isnt as good as the SEC in football!!! this cant be true!

8/13/2007 2:12:42 PM

The quicker people understand that all major college athletics are corrupt and all programs break rules the better the conversation on here will be.

I can't stand the pissing matches between conferences. And yes, I add to them at times but only to prove that point.

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 2:19 PM. Reason : x]

8/13/2007 2:19:33 PM

^ I agree

8/13/2007 2:20:07 PM

No ideas where to get info like this on us?

8/13/2007 2:20:15 PM

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"This falls under the "no shit" category."

8/13/2007 2:27:50 PM

tommy bowden also is one of the highest rated coaches in the land for player graduation rates

here's the graduation rates from 2 years ago..

1. Notre Dame (6) 96%
2. Clemson (23) 94%
3. Boston College (19) 89%
4. Texas Christian (14) 86%
5. Penn State (3) 84%
6. Florida (18) 80%
7. Texas Tech (15) 73%
8. Virginia Tech (12) 72%
9. Michigan (21) 68%
10. Miami, Fla. (9) 67%
Wisconsin (20) 67%
Division I-A average 65%
12. West Virginia (11) 64%
13. Oregon (5) 63%
UCLA (17) 63%
15. Auburn (7) 59%
16. Iowa (25) 58%
17. Southern California (1) 55%
18. Ohio State (4) 54%
19. Georgia Tech (24) 53%
20. Florida State (22) 52%
21. LSU (10) 51%
22. Louisville (16) 47%
23. Georgia (8) 45%
24. Texas (2) 40%
25. Alabama (13) 39

i expect TOB will have us on this list soon...


but yea, this happens at nearly every school

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 3:06 PM. Reason : gradeeation rates]

8/13/2007 3:03:34 PM

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"but but but thats the whole reason that the ACC isnt as good as the SEC in football!!! this cant be true!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but USC did have a higher percentage than Clemson according to that article. So the ACC does have the SEC in academics if you go just by this article......

8/13/2007 3:14:17 PM

Graduation rates are not the best measuring stick anyway. A lot of those schools have football programs that are likely equivalent to high school diplomas. I mean the Duke bball degree is the 3 year Sociology degree. It's about as hard as a dog graduating from obedience school I'm sure.

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"6. Florida (18) 80% "

lol... dallas baker can't even read his own name and he "graduated"

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 3:15 PM. Reason : x]

8/13/2007 3:14:33 PM

^^ 56% isnt anything to be proud of... point is, academics is not the thing keeping ACC football behind the SEC

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 3:19 PM. Reason : d]

8/13/2007 3:19:16 PM

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"tommy bowden also is one of the highest rated coaches in the land for player graduation rates"

in all fairness though, they only have to take one test to graduate...that test is for them to hold out their hands...then their teacher will hold out one of their hands (the teacher's hands)...the clemson player HAS TO KNOW which hand isnt his

(it works better when you do it in person as the "clemson admissions test" )

8/13/2007 3:31:27 PM

"Special admits" is the most worthless standard in all of college athletics admissions, or university admissions as a whole for that matter. How a "special admit" is defined is left up to the individual school. Some schools claim "special admits" for anyone that doesn't fit their normal admissions formula, and even those vary widely from school to school. This can be athletes, arts kids, people with political connections, or other special talents/skills. Duke claims every one of their students is a "special admit". The only thing you can really judge is specific admissions criteria.

The disparity between schools, and particularly the ACC and other conferences has gone down in one aspect, in that the NCAA has eliminated the "partial qualifier" category and student-athletes either meet NCAA minimum standards or not. Some schools have their own more rigorous admissions criteria, and others have requirements above and beyond the NCAA minimum (UNC system). Where the ACC once functioned as having its own de facto admissions floor, it's difference now has to do with the admissions standards of the schools that happen to be in the conference.

8/13/2007 4:01:37 PM

honestly, who the fuck cares about special admits or graduation rates. it's just something to wave your dick about when your team is bad. it's so utterly irrelevant.

8/13/2007 4:43:32 PM

^and that's the problem. They are supposed to be "student"-athletes. Not just athletes.

8/13/2007 4:54:04 PM

^ so Harvard is your favorite team?

8/13/2007 5:09:39 PM

Carolina's allowed special admits into their program for years...

8/13/2007 5:50:46 PM

^^^ i think the problem is people who think it matters. if these "student athletes" want to, they certainly can get a degree, but if they just hold on long enough to play football for four years, what difference does it make?

8/13/2007 6:08:22 PM

Not only is this statistic irrelevant and obvious, but so is the statistic of graduation rates. I am not concerned with any other team's grad rates. UNC hasn't had an ineligible player on it's football team in years. Does this mean that they have more intelligent players, or more lax guidelines to graduate?? The only way to test the validity of a team's grad rate is to have two teams undertake the same "curriculums" for four years which is impossible. Do I care that our football grad rates are bad, nope, because I know that most other teams would fall under the same category (or worse) with the requirements at NCSU (save the Duke's, Vandy's, and the entire Ivy League, etc). Don't be fooled by high/low grad rates, in the end, most teams are in the same tier.

Is it really that difficult to believe that the majority of players in college football (over 50%), in CU's case 56%, in South Carolina's, 84% couldn't get in unless they played football?? Even this statistic is irrelevant because it doesn't take into account which school is more difficult to get into by way of regular admissions. For example, I would expect Miami's (private school) % to be over 90, while most schools in the SEC (save Vandy) to be lower, but I haven't looked into it (even though South Carolina's is high)


[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 6:51 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2007 6:42:23 PM

Julius Peppers was a double major at UNC-Chapel Hill.



"i got 2 degrees... won in Foo'ball and won in Baskitbaw"

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 7:23 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2007 7:23:20 PM

I've always been curious about this, but does the graduation rate take into consideration that some players don't stay for the full four years and opt to go to the pros? I mean, I know that they aren't graduating, but it's not like they failed out or anything.

8/13/2007 7:33:00 PM

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"24. Texas (2) 40% 25. Alabama (13) 39 "

haha

^ The grad rate is the percentage of an incoming freshman class that has a degree six years later. Some players that go pro (in football's case they can only leave after their junior year) come back in summers to finish a year or so later.

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 7:37 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2007 7:36:00 PM

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"^ so Harvard is your favorite team?"

They would be if I had gone there instead of here. College shouldn't be the development league for the NFL, NBA, etc. unless they want to have a cirriculum designed for those that want to play professionally. They could have a small core cirriculum like any other degree, then specialize into classes based on their sport. I don't think any athlete should be allowed to come to a school that they couldn't get into on their own. Once they get admitted on their own academic standards and through the same admission process as every other student, then they can be given a scholarship. That will never happen, I know, but that's the way it should be and in my opinion, the current system is what creates individuals like Pacman Jones. Athletes are given special privledges in this country and they always will.

8/13/2007 10:26:36 PM

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"I don't think any athlete should be allowed to come to a school that they couldn't get into on their own."

8/14/2007 1:35:18 AM

OK, how many of our players are special admits? Doesn't matter what you think of the subject, can anyone find this information?

8/14/2007 1:38:50 AM

i don't want you to find out, b/c either it's high and you are bummed when it doesn't matter at all, or it's low and you want to talk about how sweet that is when it doesn't matter at all.

8/14/2007 1:40:51 AM

money talks

8/14/2007 1:43:33 AM

^^ or, you don't know me and I'll keep it to myself, like a lot of other situations in ST

8/14/2007 1:46:39 AM

I was drunk for the above post. It sounded good in my head at the time.

8/14/2007 9:04:36 AM

What's wrong with my opinion simonn? When I see kids that don't get in and wanted to go there to get an education, yet the school takes athletes that otherwise don't qualify or wouldn't get in either, and then all they do is not go to class and eventually become academically ineligible to play, etc. it kind of irritates me.

8/14/2007 10:07:17 AM

college athletics are a multi-billion dollar industry founded on media deals, marketing, and GAMBLING

the only schools that care about student athletes are shitty schools who never win and want to feel good about themselves for saying they graduate players...and hey, more power to you for graduating players...but thats not what college athletics are really about in the modern day...they're about big money...but still it does make a Duke bball title or a Stanford football title seem more impressive...but I agree with this:

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"honestly, who the fuck cares about special admits or graduation rates. it's just something to wave your dick about when your team is bad. it's so utterly irrelevant."

8/14/2007 10:23:42 AM

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"When I see kids that don't get in and wanted to go there to get an education"

they should've tried harder, nc state is a state university, and thus not terribly difficult to get into.

8/14/2007 11:03:02 AM

uNC SUcks...bottomline is that the athletes have more to offer the school than "an average student"...maybe not in the classrooms, but as far as national exposure, MONEY, etc

8/14/2007 11:04:57 AM

people really underestimate how much a good football/basketball team does for a university.

do you ever tell someone not from the south that you go/went to nc state, and they go 'oh, chapel hill?'? do you ever wonder why that happens? it's not b/c of academics, it's b/c of their basketball team.

8/14/2007 12:45:24 PM

^ cant say that ever happens. i dont associate myself with baffoons.

8/14/2007 2:22:47 PM

i (my parents) live in pennsylvania and that shit happens to me all the time up here.

8/14/2007 2:26:15 PM

what part of PA?

8/14/2007 2:51:37 PM

lehigh valley.

8/14/2007 7:27:53 PM

everyone who attends Clemson is "special"

I mean...it is South Carolina...

8/14/2007 7:50:59 PM