. . .bad. I'll start with this one:

Driver Fatality Risks by Vehicle

Quote :

"Results from the IIHS study show that vehicle weight and size factor into the death rate. Generally, the smallest, lightest vehicles have the highest fatality rates in crashes. None of the 15 vehicles on the lowest-fatality list are small, while 11 of 16 on the highest list are small [emphasis added]."

http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4024763

8/20/2007 2:01:33 PM

YOU FORGOT SOMETHING

8/20/2007 2:05:21 PM

This just in...if you are driving a tiny car and you get into an accident with a Hummer you have a much higher chance of death than they do

8/20/2007 2:06:13 PM

Rush Limbaugh mentioned this 20 minutes ago....interesting....

8/20/2007 2:13:01 PM

No shit

If you're driving a little car and get hit by a big one, you will fair worse

Meaning that if our primary goal was the lowest number of fatalities, we could:

a) All drive big cars
b) All drive small cars

And if our secondary goal is spending less money and reducing dependence on foreign oil, then our only choice is you're a dumbass.

8/20/2007 2:16:20 PM

wow...i hardly even post in the soap box but i have to say all the emphasis did was point out how ignorant and unintelligent you are

8/20/2007 2:21:55 PM

I like Grumpy

while I might disagree with things that he says I regret ever being an ass to him

8/20/2007 2:21:56 PM

eh, if you're driving a little, light car and hit a tree, you are more likely to get killed than if you are driving a larger, heavier car. Regardless of what other people are driving.

Not to mention the huge numbers of tractor-trailers on US highways and interstates would make it suicidal to adopt some of the light and ultralight vehicles that are used on European roads.

So in reality, everyone driving small cars would result in more fatalities than everyone driving big cars. They aren't equal in terms of safety and won't be for the foreseeable future.

8/20/2007 2:44:18 PM

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"Regardless of what other people are driving."

Oh, but what other people are driving plays a huge role in it. Might not be the only factor, but it's a biggun.

I remember reading a couple of years back a report from some engineering group or other about how stupid SUV's were on the whole. Aside from the fact that they're essentially built based on customer surveys that often run opposite real safety -- eg, consumers wanted smaller windows so that people outside wouldn't be able to see in as easy, which made them feel safer, while of course reducing visibility and making a crash more likely -- they're also real killers when they have an accident with other kinds of car.

Quote :

"Not to mention the huge numbers of tractor-trailers on US highways and interstates would make it suicidal to adopt some of the light and ultralight vehicles that are used on European roads."

I think there's a decent compromise between "SUV" and "European ultralight wind-up car." I call that compromise things like "Corolla."

---

Looking at the list of cars it occurs to me that there's another, more important factor being left out here. The "worst" cars aren't just light, but a number of them are also cars of the type we might expect to be driven unsafely. Which automobile do you think is more likely to be driven by a stupid young kid, a Pontiac Sunfire or a Chevy Astro?

The "safer" cars tend to be either family-mobiles (driven by parents, not idiot teenagers) or quite a bit more expensive (iow, too expensive to be given to most idiot teenagers, and with better safety systems besides).

8/20/2007 3:22:19 PM

Quote :

"I think there's a decent compromise between "SUV" and "European ultralight wind-up car." I call that compromise things like "Corolla.""

But then how will everyone else on the road know that i'm better than them





Hummer: When figuratively looking down on people just isn't enough

8/20/2007 3:36:56 PM

lol

8/20/2007 3:42:22 PM

Quote :

"eh, if you're driving a little, light car and hit a tree, you are more likely to get killed than if you are driving a larger, heavier car. Regardless of what other people are driving."

Bullshit.

A) Given that we're talking about large trees that aren't going to snap regardless of what they're hit with, what makes you think that an SUV built on a ladder frame is going to protect you better than a unibody car frame? You're aware that ladder frames don't have crumple zones, right?

B) Part of surviving a run-in with a tree is not hitting the tree in the first place. SUVs handle and brake terribly.


I've always wondered if SUV drivers realize that their cars actually do worse against trees/walls/etc... In fact the only area they're safer in is when they're hitting people who made rational automobile purchases.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 3:51:32 PM

Hummer driver: Haha I have a Hummer, I'm better than you
Other person: I sure do look down on that Hummer driver for looking down on me

Repeat

8/20/2007 3:51:56 PM

Let's all drive tanks that get 5mpg and then when we need the oil we can drill inside of panda skulls to get it. That will solve two problems!!!!!

8/20/2007 3:57:41 PM

Quote :

"A) Given that we're talking about large trees that aren't going to snap regardless of what they're hit with, what makes you think that an SUV built on a ladder frame is going to protect you better than a unibody car frame? You're aware that ladder frames don't have crumple zones, right? B) Part of surviving a run-in with a tree is not hitting the tree in the first place. SUVs handle and brake terribly."

I'm sorry, why are you talking about SUV's? Were they mentioned at all? Didn't think so. Try again, this time try not to make yourself look like an idiot.

8/20/2007 4:06:00 PM

Tell me how a heavy car does better against a tree than a light car.



[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:09 PM. Reason : I mean, if there's one thing I want to have a lot of when hitting an immovable object, it's inertia.]

8/20/2007 4:07:34 PM

Quote :

"Hummer driver: Haha I have a Hummer, I'm better than you Other person: I sure do look down on that Hummer driver for looking down on me Repeat"

That's not looking down on someone......it's called being annoyed with stupidity

8/20/2007 4:13:00 PM

Trees become more movable when you have more inertia.

Anyone who whines about someone elses choice of vehicle is a complete and total faggot.


Unless they're talking about a mini cooper. Those things are gay as hell.

8/20/2007 4:15:45 PM

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"That's not looking down on someone......it's called being annoyed with stupidity "

its called get a life and quit giving a shit what somebody else chooses to drive

8/20/2007 4:20:12 PM

If their choices didn't have a direct impact on my well being I wouldn't give a crap.

8/20/2007 4:20:58 PM

do you mean a direct impact like if you happened to get in an accident with a large SUV or do you mean direct impact like they're destroying the planet because your non-SUV exhaust is much cleaner than their SUV exhaust

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:24 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 4:24:10 PM

l2carpool

8/20/2007 4:25:17 PM

^^Both, but the second half of your question is of course a ridiculous strawman

(P.S. Here's one for all you F-150/Expedition drivers:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b2_1186865238&p=1 )

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 4:25:26 PM

your concern for what somebody else drives seems equally ridiculous...they get 15 mpg to your 22 mpg...so what...last i checked it was still legal to buy and drive an SUV

and as far as the first part, you'd be better off being aware of 18 wheelers as they could certainly do a lot more damage in an accident to your car than an SUV could

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:29 PM. Reason : .]

^what do you drive out of curiosity? i have an old infinity sedan...gets pretty good gas mileage actually

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 4:29:22 PM

i'm still trying to figure out how the thread title relates.

8/20/2007 4:30:12 PM

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:32 PM. Reason : who cares.]

8/20/2007 4:31:48 PM

^^^ Actually, when we're talking about Hummers vs. me, they get 12mpg to my 45mpg. When someone's consuming 3x's as much of a product that causes as much political and environmental problems as oil does, I'm justified in having beef.

18-wheelers are bigger, but A) they have a reason to exist and B) they're driven by professionals with special licenses.


^^I think everyone but hooksaw realizes that the original post is retarded, so we all moved on.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:33 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 4:33:01 PM

^^^ Hooksaw is parroting Rush Limbaugh.

Liberals like small cars, such as hybrids. Small cars aren't as safe in accidents as are larger vechicles. Therefore, liberals are trying to kill you with hybrid cars.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:34 PM. Reason : ]

8/20/2007 4:34:08 PM

I bet he's looking for that article about how hybrids pose risks to rescue crews

8/20/2007 4:35:27 PM

Hummers have a reason to exist also, unless you think they're not worthy of existing or something crazy like that. And I'm pretty sure you have to have a driver's license to drive on public roadways.

How about military humvees? Are those also so bad or is that pollution again accepted since they have a reason to exist?

Either way, people have the right to buy and drive what they want, assuming they buy a car legally.

8/20/2007 4:35:52 PM

Their pollution/safety issues aren't any better or worse, but they are justified. The military actually needs the capabilities of a humvee to perform vital functions.

Do you really need me clarify these things to you?


Yes, of course people should be able to buy what they want. But they should also he ridiculed for being dipshits.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 4:39:27 PM

no you've made it abundantly clear that you personally don't feel "normal people" need to drive hummers, so you waste your time worrying about them

i guess choosing what kind of car you drive is a freedom you don't think is very important

8/20/2007 4:40:50 PM

If safety and gas milage are the issue we should also ban any car that does over 75mph and any other vehicle getting under 15mpg for civilian use.

Also, we should ban any car that cant pass current emission standards, including models created before the standards existed.

While we're at it lets ban making any modifications on any car. Engine mods can decrease factory gas milage and also create more emmissions. In addition to making the car faster than stock.

8/20/2007 4:54:39 PM

OR, since we know our resources are limited we could pressure the government into setting strict and real standards for new cars and actually make them go to alternate energy sources.


you can have your big car, as long as it doesn't take half of a rainforest with it!

8/20/2007 4:56:32 PM

"While we're at it," we can stop exaggerating my position on the issue.

Where did I say we should ban inefficient vehicles?

8/20/2007 5:21:13 PM

So you just want to bitch about it then?

Because thats fine, just try to keep it to yourself.

8/20/2007 5:24:42 PM

What forum are we in?

8/20/2007 5:27:42 PM

Quote :

"Meaning that if our primary goal was the lowest number of fatalities, we could: a) All drive big cars b) All drive small cars"

GrumpyGOP

And neither scenario will ever happen--thanks, genius! Meanwhile, back in the real world. . . .

Quote :

"18-wheelers are bigger, but A) they have a reason to exist and B) they're driven by professionals with special licenses."

Boone-Tard (Note well: Your retardation has reached such a level that the latter half of your hyphenate will now be capitalized to reflect that it is a coequal element.)

What about family vans, delivery vehicles, pickup trucks, and other special-use vehicles? Do they not have a reason to exist? The answer is self-evident.

Quote :

"Hooksaw is parroting Rush Limbaugh."

A Tanzarian

Do you even have the capacity to realize what you revealed there? First, what are you doing listening to Rush, research? Second, if you quote from one of your sources are you "parroting"? Third, is your argument that the story is automatically tainted simply because it is associated with Rush Limbaugh? BTW, the original source is Consumer Reports, are they lying?

And here's another "good" liberal intention gone bad for you:

"Save the Trees! Ask for plastic shopping bags!" (This was repeated ad nauseam in the 1970s.)

Fast forward to the present and. . . .

Quote :

"On March 27, 2007, the City and County of San Francisco became the first city to ban common plastic shopping bags. Starting July 2007, all large supermarkets in the state of California will be required, by law, to take back and recycle plastic shopping bags. Portland Oregon is next to ban Plastic bags according to Thanh Tan of news Channel KATU. See the news video Video. Currently Trellis Earth Products of Portland Oregon is one of the only manufacturers of corn based Bio bags. Plastic shopping bags are banned in at least 30 villages and towns in Alaska, including the towns of Emmonak, Galena, and Kotlik."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_shopping_bag

8/20/2007 5:31:44 PM

Quote :

"What about family vans, delivery vehicles, pickup trucks, and other special-use vehicles? Do they not have a reason to exist? The answer is self-evident."

These things have a reason to exist, too. Which is why I haven't said a single negative thing towards them.. GG, hook-tard. (LOLOLOLOLOL)


And gg on getting your thread topics from Limbaugh. Way to legitimize your already retarded thread.

8/20/2007 5:36:41 PM

Quote :

"Do you even have the capacity to realize what you revealed there? First, what are you doing listening to Rush"

ZOMFG HOW CAN I LISTEN TO SOMEONE ON THE RADIO THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote :

"Second, if you quote from one of your sources are you "parroting"?"

To answer your question, quoting from a source is not parroting. However, making a thread about something Rush said, within minutes of him saying it, without crediting him (your 'source') is parroting.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 6:05 PM. Reason : oh, yeah ]

8/20/2007 6:03:30 PM

Quote :

"Anyone who whines about someone elses choice of vehicle is a complete and total faggot. Unless they're talking about a mini cooper. Those things are gay as hell."

Here is a retort... from YOU:

Quote :

"So you just want to bitch about it then? Because thats fine, just try to keep it to yourself."

8/20/2007 6:04:10 PM

banning plastic bags in the Alaska bush is just common fucking sense since they are not as biodegradable as paper and they just throw their waste into a lake

8/20/2007 6:15:31 PM

It's hilarious that this sort of reasoning flies on conservative radio.

If weight is the only correlation you see in those two lists, you're brain dead.

8/20/2007 6:23:28 PM

the most interesting tidbit of this entire thread:

Quote :

"Rush Limbaugh mentioned this [topic] 20 minutes ago"

8/20/2007 6:36:49 PM

^x5 I did quote the source. You can read, yes?

Wow! The left-wing moonbats are extra foamy on this topic!

8/20/2007 6:57:12 PM

omg you heard something on the radio or saw it on tv or read it online or in print, you cant make a thread about it cause you are just copying what somebody else said

8/20/2007 6:57:21 PM

Foam, spit, froth, blather.

8/20/2007 7:01:31 PM

You heard something on Rush and ran here to post about it. Do you deny this?

Your OP has no commentary, only a quoted article and a thread title that quotes Limbaugh. As near as I can tell, you put no further thought into the thread and have simply repeated exactly what you heard on the radio.

How many of your other posts/threads are just you aping Rush Limbaugh?

^^ It'd be different if there were some sort of discussion in the OP other than a direct quote from Limbaugh and bolded excerpts from an article.

8/20/2007 7:30:12 PM

^ You do realize that apes and parrots are different animals, yes? Are the meds not doing it for you today?

Once again, this is the source--deal with it:

http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4024763

(1) I posted an example. (2) Others are supposed to do the same. And (3) you have done nothing but foam.

8/20/2007 7:41:39 PM

Quote :

"ape [...] 3. an imitator; mimic."

Quote :

"parrot [...] 2. One who imitates the words or actions of another, especially without understanding them."

Ape, parrot...sounds as if they are synonomous when it comes to describing you.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 7:59 PM. Reason : Oh, yeah ]

8/20/2007 7:59:19 PM