Even though there is no way possible for this to happen since they play in the lower division

but should they be?

9/5/2007 1:56:34 PM

No?

9/5/2007 1:57:42 PM

no, they are not allowed to be rank in the D1a(bcs) poll.

9/5/2007 1:59:14 PM

I smell Mod-on-Mod violence

I got 50 on BD

9/5/2007 2:00:10 PM

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"Even though there is no way possible for this to happen since they play in the lower division but should they be?"

do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds?

9/5/2007 2:01:37 PM

No.

They are amazingly good for a team full of players who would be third stringers here, but they gameplanned for Michigan all summer, you can tell Michigan was thinking about Penn State before that game.

Still, I would put them in the top 50 football teams in the country right now.

9/5/2007 2:01:53 PM

wow, you guys must have missed the part where i said

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"there is no way possible for this to happen since they play in the lower division"

so throw out the fact that they cant be b/c of that: concentrate on the part where i said

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" Should App State be ranked in Top 25 this week"

just for the sake of conversation

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"do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds?"

do you realize that i really dont give a shit and that im trying to start a new discussion since TWW is lacking content


Thanks AndyMac! I appreciate an answer with discussion points


[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 2:04 PM. Reason : sdf]

9/5/2007 2:01:54 PM

probably yes but i would not want to see them ranked in the Top 25 even if it was possible

9/5/2007 2:03:27 PM

this thread makes absolutely no sense

yes, no, who gives a shit

polls are meaningless

michigan was overrated

app state is not better than 94 1A teams

9/5/2007 2:04:17 PM

chuck amato owns app state

9/5/2007 2:05:08 PM

Guys, lay off him. He's trying to make a valid point.

Bravo gunzz, without your wit and ingenious, TWW would be further in the shitter than I care to imagine.

9/5/2007 2:06:17 PM

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"this thread makes absolutely no sense yes, no, who gives a shit polls are meaningless "

ernie, should we revoke your Sports Talk posting card now or later
i mean, since the polls are meaningless and all
since they have no direct effect on the standings and who plays in the BCS

9/5/2007 2:08:49 PM

preseason polls are meaningless as far as being a fair barometer of how each team will do during the regular season

unfortunatley they do have way too much bearing on the few teams that could actually have a chance to play in the national championship game

hey lets rank all the nfl teams in the preseason or the nba teams...then regardless of how well you do, lets make sure if the top few teams win more games, they will be the only 2 teams with a chance to play for the title

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/5/2007 2:10:06 PM

i do agree that preseason polls are meaningless
however, we are not in the preseason

9/5/2007 2:10:38 PM

my bad

i meant preaseason polls are meaningless

regular season polls are just stupid

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 2:11 PM. Reason : ]

9/5/2007 2:10:42 PM

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"No. They are amazingly good for a team full of players who would be third stringers here, but they gameplanned for Michigan all summer, you can tell Michigan was thinking about Penn State before that game."

that statement is wrong on so many levels

first, why in the world would michigan be thinking about a game that wont be played until september 22nd?

and there are plenty of players on app's roster that could start for a lot of d-1 teams

9/5/2007 2:11:21 PM

app sucks

michigan blows

9/5/2007 2:11:59 PM

App hasnt lost a game since losing to us

9/5/2007 2:14:51 PM

the real point all of this brings up is that there shouldn't be any polls until atleast late September.

every year a handfull of teams either makes the top 25 or is ranked way to high based solely on their name.

9/5/2007 2:34:32 PM

^^^^ Sorry, I mean Oregon. And there are several players on App's team that are good enough to play for D-1 teams, but most of them didn't have any stars, and would never have gotten a chance to prove themselves for D1.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

Sagarin has them at 38.

9/5/2007 2:59:10 PM

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"#82 NC State"

AWESOME!!1

9/5/2007 3:02:53 PM

that poll has UNC being better than Oklahoma State

those polls are pretty worthless until you get a few weeks in as well

9/5/2007 3:05:19 PM

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"And there are several players on App's team that are good enough to play for D-1 teams, but most of them didn't have any stars, and would never have gotten a chance to prove themselves for D1. "

you should have said that instead of:

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"They are amazingly good for a team full of players who would be third stringers here"

there is a big difference between being able to prove yourself in D-1 and being third string in D-1

9/5/2007 3:09:22 PM

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"app state is not better than 94 1A teams"

App State is definitly better than 94 1A teams...

A LOT of highschool recruiting goes on what coaches believe the potential of a player to be. The elite of a recruiting class are generally heads above the rest. But once you get into the meat of a recruiting class a lot goes on thought potential. There is a guy who from my highschool who plays saftey for Michagan (Jamar Adams) and one who plays corner for App (Leornard Love). One is 6'4ish the other is 5'11ish. They both put up decent numbers in highschool but nothing *great*. So the possibility for App having players that could or could not play at a D1 school or even state is ridiculous. Sorry but their QB could outplay any QB State has right now.

I would love to see App play more big D1 schools...but I'd like to see this discussion in 3 or 4 weeks after both us and App have played at Wofford.

9/5/2007 3:09:31 PM

i tell you what though- i'd love a rematch at app state

bring gameday to broadcast from there

and then app state would get killed

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 3:12 PM. Reason : but no, no ranking Ø]

9/5/2007 3:12:01 PM

Almost all computer polls (like Sagarin) work the best when the whole season is completed and not after just one game.

9/5/2007 3:20:32 PM

dont forget...before the michigan game against a supremely overrated and underachieving wolverines team, app had gotten waxed the last few times they played D1-A opponents

we beat them 23-10 last year
Kansas beat then 36-8 the year before

they had a great game versus michigan...they're not all of a sudden a top team in D1-A

9/5/2007 3:29:17 PM

^^^^no, app state is not better than 94 1A teams.

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 3:29 PM. Reason : ^]

9/5/2007 3:29:20 PM

The winner of one game isn't always the "best team," nor does one win mean you're suddenly better than a host of other teams.

When we beat VT three years ago, were we "better" than VT in general? No.
Were we "better" than BC last year? No.
Were we "better" than GT two years ago? No.

9/5/2007 3:33:06 PM

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"The winner of one game isn't always the "best team," nor does one win mean you're suddenly better than a host of other teams. When we beat VT three years ago, were we "better" than VT in general? No. Were we "better" than BC last year? No. Were we "better" than GT two years ago? No."

Could also apply to when we beat App last year.

9/5/2007 3:36:57 PM

^no

i hope lenoir rhyne squeaks out a win over them to bitchslap those mountainfolk back to reality...as of right now they're 100% confident that they're the best team in north carolina...i wouldnt be surprised if State, Wake and ECU could all beat them right now

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

9/5/2007 3:37:15 PM

^ sí

And State is probably the worst of those three right now.

I think Wake is better than App

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 3:40 PM. Reason : ]

9/5/2007 3:39:12 PM

Of course this leads to the appeal of college football. One loss doesn't determine a season but it pretty much ends any idea of a Michigan Championship.

9/5/2007 3:40:37 PM

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"[quote]Quote : "The winner of one game isn't always the "best team," nor does one win mean you're suddenly better than a host of other teams. When we beat VT three years ago, were we "better" than VT in general? No. Were we "better" than BC last year? No. Were we "better" than GT two years ago? No." "

Could also apply to when we beat App last year.[/quote]

Honestly, it sucks but I do think App would have dominated us if we played them at the end of last season instead of the beginning. Fortunatly that's not the case and they didn't beat us so I can still give App folks crap

9/5/2007 3:56:38 PM

they could only manage to score 10 points on a chuck amato team last year

one win over a now-unranked michigan team doesnt make them the best program ever

9/5/2007 4:03:12 PM

why are yall hating on app so much. they get absolutely zero recognition despite having back to back national championships. let them chirp for a while

9/5/2007 4:49:24 PM

CUT IT LOOSE

9/5/2007 4:57:01 PM

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"I think Wake is better than App"

it's funny b/c i'm not so sure app isn't in a better recruiting position than wake, especially now......neither get the big name recruits for the most part, both are smaller schools, both recruit players expecting them to play all 4 years of eligibility and count on coaching to get everything out of them, but App doesn't have the high academic requirements wake does.

I'm not sure if they're the best in NC, but they're not the worst.

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"i hope lenoir rhyne squeaks out a win over them "

lol, have you ever seen LR play? they always suck.

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"they could only manage to score 10 points on a chuck amato team last year "

they're QB was also a freshman last year, he looked lightyears better @ the end of the season and into this one.

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 4:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/5/2007 4:57:40 PM

they've had more recognition in this past week than their whole football program ever has,

come saturday, i dont want to hear about it anymore

9/5/2007 4:59:49 PM

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"have you ever seen LR play? they always suck"

thats my point though...their whole schedule is a bunch of teams that always suck, plus one above avg/good/great school that always beats them...until this year at least

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"why are yall hating on app so much."

because for the last 2 years i've had to hear App fans talk about how they are the national champs and how no D1-A schools want to play them, etc blah blah

if they hadnt talked empty shit for the last 2 years I would be very proud of them, but alas i'm not

9/5/2007 5:00:27 PM

Maybe not the best, but they aren't the worst. Based on last week, they are definitely better than:

Duke
UNC
State--they should have beat us last year but thank god they didn't.

9/5/2007 5:02:21 PM

I think they said on SC that they might not be top 25 but that they were probably top 40. I could agree with that.

9/5/2007 5:06:45 PM

^^were you even at that game? they were really never in that game at all, i dont recall them driving well on our defense, and i seem to remember the only td they got was cause we turned it over on our side of the field...i mean jesus, marcus stone beat that team

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ^^]

9/5/2007 5:13:07 PM

i'm sure they'd beat duke...i'm not so sure they'd beat UNC, NCSU, Wake, ECU

and obviously the Panthers would run all over them

9/5/2007 5:15:15 PM

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"and obviously the Panthers 1976 Buccaneers would run all over them"

9/5/2007 5:19:47 PM

the 2001 panthers would run all over them

(and hold them scoreless)

[Edited on September 5, 2007 at 5:21 PM. Reason : .]

9/5/2007 5:21:06 PM

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"they're QB was also a freshman last year, he looked lightyears better @ the end of the season and into this one."

Actually, their Edward's wasn't their started until AFTER they lost to us

9/5/2007 5:52:41 PM

he didn't start till like the 3rd game or something like that.

9/5/2007 5:55:16 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/09/06/appoll.change.ap/index.html

9/6/2007 6:40:31 PM

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""It's great they opened the door," Appalachian State coach Jerry Moore said. "Certainly we're not going to be the No. 1 team in the country. We know that. We're not even going to be in the top 10. But if you have a win over a nice football team, I like that it's not out of the realm of possibility for a school like us to be one of the top 20 or 25 teams in the country.""

well, you sure can't argue with that.

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""Why not? The poll was always intended to measure teams that compete against each other, regardless of division, based solely on on-field performance," she said. "It was that way long before Division I was divided into I-A and I-AA in 1978.""

9/6/2007 6:51:16 PM