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"U.S. CBO estimates $2.4 trillion long-term war costs WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money, according to a study released on Wednesday. With President George W. Bush indicating a large contingent of U.S. troops likely will be engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan for many years to come, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated the total tab for the wars from 2001 through 2017."

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2450753720071024

That comes to about $8000 for every man, woman, and child in the United States.

Is it worth it? Is there nothing better that money could have been spent on? Isn't it time we cut our losses and get out of there?

10/25/2007 9:08:11 AM

That could buy a lot of jr. bacon cheeseburgers.

10/25/2007 9:13:22 AM

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"Assuming that Iraq accounts for about 80% of that total, the Iraq war would cost $1.9 trillion, including $564 million in interest, said Thomas Kahn, Spratt's staff director."

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"In the months before the March 2003 Iraq invasion, the Bush administration estimated the Iraq war would cost no more than $50 billion."

Oops

10/25/2007 9:26:32 AM

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"Is there nothing better that money could have been spent on?"

The best outcome wouldn't have been to spend it on anything else...it would be to not spend it at all.

10/25/2007 9:52:59 AM

Those crazy towel heads were better off w/ Saddam ruling with an iron fists. Uday locked some soccer guys in torture boxes, saddam gassed some kurds, oh well better than Ackbar mulSaladeen strapping on a bomb and blowing up 100 women and children in the market; having 3000 of our troops killed, wasting nearly a trillion on the war effort, and pissing off our allies w/ the rest of the world at us.

[Edited on October 25, 2007 at 9:59 AM. Reason : a]

10/25/2007 9:55:46 AM

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"The best outcome wouldn't have been to spend it on anything else...it would be to not spend it at all."

-- signed

10/25/2007 10:02:40 AM

see thats what pisses me off

had we just let Hitler do his thing, he would have eventually gone down there and boom! Iraq becomes Vunderschinland and some guy named Dieter is running shit.


but NO. you fuckers had to interfere and stick your nose where it doesn't belong.


and now, you're doing it again.


stupid American Army and your ideas.

10/25/2007 10:05:56 AM

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"In the months before the March 2003 Iraq invasion, the Bush administration estimated the Iraq war would cost no more than $50 billion"

they knew it would cost more than that, they just needed a lowball number that would lull the public into thinking it would be quick and easy......despite what nearly everyone who was non-partisan and had real military experience was telling them.

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"see thats what pisses me off had we just let Hitler do his thing, he would have eventually gone down there and boom! Iraq becomes Vunderschinland and some guy named Dieter is running shit. but NO. you fuckers had to interfere and stick your nose where it doesn't belong. and now, you're doing it again. stupid American Army and your ideas. "

did you really just make that comparison? hitler was a real threat to take over most of the world, and even then we didn't really want to get involved. Sadam didn't have the capability to do much of anything.


[Edited on October 25, 2007 at 10:11 AM. Reason : .]

10/25/2007 10:07:29 AM

THEY LIED TO US.

but don't do nothing about it fellas


WE CAN VOTE!

10/25/2007 10:08:34 AM

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"ad we just let Hitler do his thing, he would have eventually gone down there and boom! Iraq becomes Vunderschinland and some guy named Dieter is running shit. "

last time i checked england, france, china, and numerous other countries were at war or under thread of invasion from the various countries of the axis powers.

I do not think Saddam had the capabilities or plans pre-invasion to take over the Middle East. I am sure Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel would have easily slapped him back to the sand dune he came from.

As far as Vunderschinland at least it would have been germans getting blown up in the streets by the suicide bombers and the rest of us laughing at the disaster going on in Iraq. I am sure like the Soviet Union in Afghanistan that would not be able to handle the craziness and eventually give up.

[Edited on October 25, 2007 at 10:10 AM. Reason : a]

10/25/2007 10:08:47 AM

NO

NO

NO WAR IS JUSTIFIED.

KILLING TROOPS MAKES ME CRY.

NO MORE OF THIS SENSELESS WAR.

10/25/2007 10:10:16 AM

when in doubt, turn to sarcasm.

10/25/2007 10:12:45 AM

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"stupid American Army and your ideas."

not to nitpick, but the Armed Forces execute wars . . . they don't start them. That is the job of the politicians.

10/25/2007 10:13:57 AM

when faced with the biggest bunch of negative nancies this side of the Cure, just say absurd shit and poke them with sticks.

seriously folks... the doom and gloom? not real appropriate for this early in the afternoon. have some lunch, get some coffee.

^not to nitpick, but i just said we should let HITLER win, and you've got a problem because i said "army" instead of "politicians"? okay...

[Edited on October 25, 2007 at 10:15 AM. Reason : that geico commercial whistle song]

10/25/2007 10:14:32 AM

u are right no war in iraq was justified.

Since u apparently believe so much in the cause so much why don't you enlist, go over to Iraq, and spread freedom throughout Iraq.

10/25/2007 10:14:42 AM

In general, while I don't agree with AxlBonBach, he makes well-reasoned arguments and I can see where he's coming from.

In this thread, he's just acting stupid.

10/25/2007 10:15:53 AM

i'm just wasting time here before class and not trying to prove any point other than "y'all are being dumb"

10/25/2007 10:16:42 AM

Yo mama!

10/25/2007 10:23:50 AM

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"That could buy a lot of jr. bacon cheeseburgers."

Meh, when inflation really starts to run rampant it really won't be as many as you think.

10/25/2007 10:55:58 AM

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"Is it worth it? Is there nothing better that money could have been spent on? Isn't it time we cut our losses and get out of there?"

Right when we are on the verge of success.

I THINK NOT!

10/25/2007 6:15:58 PM

It's true, results have been more promising in recent months. It's a horrid expense fabricated on a lie, but some good may come of it as long as we finish what we are doing there.

10/25/2007 6:50:12 PM

verge of success

LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL good1 !

LAST THROES YA'LL

[Edited on October 25, 2007 at 6:52 PM. Reason : /]

10/25/2007 6:51:25 PM

10/25/2007 6:54:05 PM

2.4 trillion?

Thats it?

Why dont they just go for an nice round number of 5 trillion. Pussies.

10/25/2007 6:59:31 PM

wait until 2027. we'll get there little buddy, give it time

10/25/2007 7:03:46 PM

we're 9 trillion dollars in debt (as a country)

2.4tril aint shit

10/25/2007 7:07:05 PM

yeah thats only like 25 percent...thats like 1/4...those pussies should make it at least 50 percent

10/25/2007 7:08:01 PM

I want my fucking 8 grand back!

10/25/2007 7:33:22 PM

That is spread out over 14 years. So, it was only $571 this year.

That, plus, why are they including interest when they could easily cut entitlement programs and balance the budget, so why allot the deficit to the war? It's not the war's fault its daddy cannot budget; so leave it alone.

10/26/2007 8:53:03 AM

^ not that i advocate more gov't spending but you would rather spend money paid by the taxpayers to fight a unpopular unjustified foreign war, than using this money to benefit the people that paid it.

Between the two; I'd rather cut checks every week to 1000 crack mommas to sit around and drink 40's than buy a new B2 bomber to help blow up people in Iraq or any new enemy we create through our neo-imperialist policies.



[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 9:54 AM. Reason : a]

10/26/2007 9:52:25 AM

Maybe more emphasis on the fact that this spending is going to suppliers who make enormous profits would bother war supporters more then, since they detest giving people money to people who don't deserve it, but don't seem to mind much if the wrong people are killed.

10/26/2007 10:36:23 AM

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"Isn't it time we cut our losses and get out of there?"

i'm sorry but you sound like a fuckstick with this statement

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"Between the two; I'd rather cut checks every week to 1000 crack mommas to sit around and drink 40's than buy a new B2 bomber to help blow up people in Iraq or any new enemy we create through our neo-imperialist policies."

i'd rather take the bomber... 1000 crack mommas did it to themselves

the bomber adds to the protection of the nation as a whole

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 12:06 PM. Reason : s]

10/26/2007 12:03:50 PM

seriously...i'd rather my tax dollars go to something that might protect me and my family and friends from an external threat...not to somebody who gets paid to not work

10/26/2007 12:16:43 PM

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"i'd rather my tax dollars go to something that might protect me and my family and friends from an external threat"

Last time i checked Saddam did not have his missiles locked onto grandma's backdoor. All you war hawk morons are stupid and cause more conflicts than you solve.

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 12:25 PM. Reason : a]

10/26/2007 12:23:57 PM

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"That comes to about $8000 for every man, woman, and child in the United States."

It gets worse when you mention that children, the elderly, and rich folks don't pay taxes anyway.

10/26/2007 12:32:04 PM

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"Last time i checked Saddam did not have his missiles locked onto grandma's backdoor"

last time i checked, i dont want to pay my hard earned money for a fucking crackhead with no work ethic if i could instead have it go towards a step in the right direction for bringing more peace and stability to the most hostile region in the world

10/26/2007 12:34:07 PM

^ I do not want to pay for that shit either; neither do I want to pay for George W to play cowboy running around the middle east with a stick in hand poking a bee nest also known as the Middle East. Ultimately when it is his buddies in haliburton, big oil, and other defense contractors that are profiting.

Maybe if the oil taps in Iraq were wide open and I paid $1.25/gallon at the pump I could overlook Bush's true intentions in Iraq, the countless civilians dead, and American lives lost in a war of american aggression.

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 12:37 PM. Reason : a]

10/26/2007 12:36:21 PM

it's ok, i'll just write them a check

10/26/2007 12:38:42 PM

^^maybe you should try one of the ~170 other countries in the world who not only pay more for gas per gallon than we do, but also have generally shittier quality of life and a lot less militaristic protection from external threats

and seriously...can anyone on tsb express their dislike for the war without saying some "dubya, oil buddies, unjust based on lies"? the same broken record has been playing on here for years...try thinking for yourself instead of just parroting news outlets

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 12:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2007 12:39:02 PM

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"It gets worse when you mention that children, the elderly, and rich folks don't pay taxes anyway."

What? The top 5% pays more than 50% of federal taxes in this country.

10/26/2007 12:47:50 PM

Our military dwarves that of Germany, sweden, Australia, japan ,etc. Yet i do not think their populace sits around shaking b.c they lack the military might to take on half the world. Neither do you see them in celebration that we took out the evil dictator of Iraq who was a member of the "axis of evil"

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"try thinking for yourself instead of just parroting news outlets Faux News and bush's propraganda machine "

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 12:50 PM. Reason : l]

10/26/2007 12:49:22 PM

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"The best outcome wouldn't have been to spend it on anything else...it would be to not spend it at all"

10/26/2007 12:53:13 PM

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"What? The top 5% pays more than 50% of federal taxes in this country."

That was just a bit of comic relief thrown on at the end.

10/26/2007 1:03:41 PM

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"last time i checked, i dont want to pay my hard earned money for a fucking crackhead with no work ethic if i could instead have it go towards a step in the right direction for bringing more peace and stability to the most hostile region in the world"

Wow, if this isn't the most retarded perspective I have ever heard in my life. So you're ok that your tax dollars went towards 3000 dead soldiers, thousands of dead Iraqis, and millions displaced Iraqis, rather than trying to fix folks that have made bad choices for themselves? Drug addicts can be revived, dead soldiers can't.

Furthermore, how is it a step in the right direction if we have now moved on to saber rattling Iran?

When will it stop, when we have completely neutralized all of Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey from even contemplating becoming a thread, let alone actually being a threat?

10/26/2007 1:45:08 PM

the only thing we're neutralizing is our moral credibility and our economic ability to protect our national interests.

10/26/2007 2:48:49 PM

^^you dont like the war...we get it...we've gotten it the past 4 years of you repeating the same shit over and over

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"try thinking for yourself instead of just parroting news outlets Faux News and bush's propraganda machine"

apparently everyone who doesnt bash bush and the iraq war at a high enough frequency for you watches fox news...wrong

10/26/2007 3:13:23 PM

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"So you're ok that your tax dollars went towards 3000 dead soldiers, thousands of dead Iraqis, and millions displaced Iraqis, rather than trying to fix folks that have made bad choices for themselves?"

10/26/2007 3:19:28 PM

definitely...i dont think my tax dollars should go to people that have made "bad choices"...i think those people should get jobs and kick their drug habits...maybe their families can help them out...they're not my responsibility...i want my taxes to go towards things that help everyone...whether it be roads, utilities, other infrastructure...or national security...not someone who made "bad choices"

10/26/2007 3:24:08 PM

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"i want my taxes to go towards things that help everyone"

How did your taxes help the 3000 dead soldiers and their families?

10/26/2007 3:27:07 PM

i do not think my tax dollars should go to nation building, neo-colonialism, or fighting wars against people who Bush pisses off through his lack of diplomacy skills.

10/26/2007 3:27:25 PM