democrats are always screaming about using diplomacy and not go to war, but when a republican uses diplomacy (e.g. sanctions on Iran) they say its a prelude to war.

wtf democrats? you're full of shit.

10/26/2007 9:11:55 AM

I don't think that sanctions = diplomacy seeing has how the definition of diplomacy from merriam webster is:

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"1 : the art and practice of conducting negotiations between nations 2 : skill in handling affairs without arousing hostility "

Sanctions aren't the same thing as negotiating and using sanctions usually piss people off more....

10/26/2007 9:15:45 AM

well what fucking word would you like me to use? democrats don't want war, and when they use sanctions they say that it is the way to go to pressure a country into doing whatever. but when republicans use sanctions, its a prelude to war

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 9:19 AM. Reason : .]

10/26/2007 9:16:31 AM

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"in government, diplomacy can come in the form of sanctions"

Well, no.


Your argument is not at all coherent. Try again.

10/26/2007 9:20:16 AM

get over the semantics. you get the fucking point.

10/26/2007 9:23:11 AM

Economics are in no way a form of diplomacy.

10/26/2007 9:32:34 AM

I do not see why the US is so shocked at the belligerence of Iran. If China decided to invade Mexico under the purpose of "regime' change" I am sure the US would become hostile toward China also. Even if we decided not to all out invade, if in this hypothetical scenario did not have the resources to commit to such an invasion, I am sure we would be financing and assisting terrorists freedom fighters to help destabilize the Chinese influence within Mexico.

We have the monroe doctrine in the Western Hemisphere where we buck up to any old world interference toward any country over here.

10/26/2007 9:46:20 AM

I get the fucking point that you think sanctions are a form of diplomacy. They aren't , nullifying the rest of your argument. Your position is undermined by your own doing. Try again.

10/26/2007 9:51:34 AM

haha

Iran is so gonna call our bluff

10/26/2007 10:03:23 AM

hope they do. i honestly do not give a flying fuck about iran. unless iran is marching troops through my front lawn, targeting a missile at grandma's window, or leading a coalition of countries that are economically sanctioning the US then let AJ bitch and moan all he wants.

10/26/2007 10:16:31 AM

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"wtf democrats? you're full of shit"

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10/26/2007 10:24:43 AM

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"democrats are always screaming about using diplomacy and not go to war, but when a republican uses diplomacy (e.g. sanctions on Iran) they say its a prelude to war. wtf democrats? you're full of shit."

you're new to politics aren't you? I'm pretty sure both sides are equally full of shit.

10/26/2007 2:56:21 PM

I don't think Democrats are worried about using diplomacy with Iran. I think they are reluctant to pass legislation the President might use to support irresponsible actions. Why would they think President Bush might use these sorts of bills to, I don't know, invade a Middle Eastern country named Ira_?

10/26/2007 3:03:34 PM

Sanctions rarely work and usually indirectly target the poor.

One recent success utilizing sanctions were the sanctions drafted by John Bolton and placed on North Korea in which we no longer treated North Korea as a rational state, but rather as a child.

The sanctions included Russian Beluga caviar and French Champagne and Beaujolais wines. The list was comprised of items to which Kim Jong Il ascribed great personal pleasure. We took his toys away and he started to play nice.

Unfortunately, it won't be that easy in Iran.

10/26/2007 3:25:23 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-25-romney-iran_N.htm

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"Iran 'bombardment' an option"

suit up boys time to march from Baghdad to Tehran. Just what we need a president in 2008 to take the good fight to those islmaic bastards in Iran. Fuck diplomacy or the fact that every other developed country thinks we are idiots we gotta take out those turrists and take down the Axis of Evil.

Afghanistan
Iraq
Iran
N. Korea
Libya
Cuba
Venuezuela
Syria
China

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 3:29 PM. Reason : a]

10/26/2007 3:25:36 PM

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"Afghanistan Iraq Iran N. Korea Libya Cuba Venuezuela Syria China France"

Missed one

10/26/2007 3:35:14 PM

Sanctions =/= diplomacy. That's like calling an embargo diplomacy.

What's diplomatic about starving a country of its necessary and essential resources?

10/26/2007 5:15:25 PM

it annoys me that our president seems deadset on putting this country in as many shitty diplomatic positions as possible before he leaves office.

10/26/2007 5:19:45 PM

it annoys me that the president said we'd get bin laden "dead or alive" but then gave up and sent everyone to iraq

10/26/2007 5:22:10 PM

^^^^ Funny you should say that - since you clearly don't know anything about the current situation with France's political leadership I'll let you know that the current French President is pretty much the only Western leader who is at all supporting the option of using force against Iran.

Not to mention he recently visited the family compound at Kennebunkport - we're 'good friends' again in the mind of Bush.

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 5:29 PM. Reason : extra ^s]

10/26/2007 5:22:25 PM

It annoys me that democrats seem to think that diplomacy will get us anywhere in dealing with hostile regimes.

"Hey yall, lets play nice!"

10/26/2007 5:23:46 PM

^^^^^ an embargo is an act of war, though

^^^^^^^ Libya has straightened up a lot in the last few years (I think they basically saw post 9/11 that we were fucking pissed and likely to smack a country--or two--or three around, and they didn't want it to be Libya [again]).

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"It annoys me that democrats seem to think that diplomacy will get us anywhere in dealing with hostile regimes. "Hey yall, lets play nice!" "

first of all, what the fuck do you propose, then?

second, smart diplomacy (something we have seen so much of lately, particularly regarding Iran) goes farther than you give it credit for.

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"Funny you should say that - since you clearly don't know anything about the current situation with France's political leadership"

No shit.

Of course, isn't this the same guy who thinks we blew up our own WTC and Pentagon?

Maybe he should just read instead of posting.

10/26/2007 5:30:27 PM

^ I haven't followed his posting history

10/26/2007 5:32:22 PM

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"first of all, what the fuck do you propose, then?"

Carrots and sticks. And "sticks" clearly don't count as diplomacy per this thread.

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"smart diplomacy (something we have seen so much of lately, particularly regarding Iran) goes farther than you give it credit for."

That's a pretty generic statement. There must have been a shitload of dumb diplomacy going on over the last 30 years or so, since we haven't had many positive results with hostile regimes through diplomacy.

[Edited on October 26, 2007 at 5:34 PM. Reason : 2]

10/26/2007 5:34:44 PM

Why not just move Israel to Texas and then Nuke Texas?

10/26/2007 8:14:35 PM

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"Not to mention he recently visited the family compound at Kennebunkport - we're 'good friends' again in the mind of Bush."

Well, according to Bush we're also friends with Russia and China. I believe Bush said that he could look into Vladimir Putin's eyes and see his soul. I'm sure...

Besides, it was a joke. I don't actually want to invade France. But they get far too much respect for being military pussies for the vast majority of their country's history.

10/27/2007 1:08:14 PM

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"it annoys me that our president seems deadset on putting this country in as many shitty diplomatic positions as possible before he leaves office."

Sometimes I imagine Bush as this really evil genius type who is going to put America in as many horrible positions as possible and the second he's out of office, he'll move to another country while a nuclear holocaust goes down in the States.

It at least makes me less ashamed of having such an idiot for a president.

10/30/2007 11:00:09 PM

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"democrats are always screaming about using diplomacy and not go to war, but when a republican uses diplomacy (e.g. sanctions on Iran) they say its a prelude to war. wtf democrats? you're full of shit."

um sanctions aren't diplomacy you fucking moron

10/30/2007 11:07:13 PM

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"wtf democrats? you're full of shit."

Signed.

^ But economic, international, and trade sanctions can be part of diplomatic efforts.

10/30/2007 11:58:53 PM