Anyone taken it?

I'm desperate to find a Philosophy class in the morning, and this is about all I can find. Looks to be a difficult class, but is it interesting/worthwhile?

11/5/2007 10:49:40 PM

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"Existentialism stresses that people are entirely free and therefore responsible for what they make of themselves."

ahem

11/5/2007 11:55:48 PM

LE SIGH

11/6/2007 1:11:46 AM

DO NOT WANT RESPONSIBILITY!!!1

11/6/2007 10:29:41 AM

the unbearable lightness of being

11/6/2007 10:50:40 AM

i was gonna write a well thought-out answer to this thread

but i woke up flat on my back with six appendages and can't type so well

11/6/2007 11:25:38 AM

^beware of flying apples

11/6/2007 1:25:24 PM

The PHI buffs enjoy it... but if you're just taking it to satisfy a humanities requirement I wouldn't suggest it. You'll be fairly lost at many points if you don't know a lot of other philosophers that are referred to & 'what makes them special' (so to speak). It was interesting, don't get me wrong... but wow. I don't even know how to put words to how that class made me feel. Maybe if it had been later in the day...

11/8/2007 12:39:55 PM

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"i was gonna write a well thought-out answer to this thread but i woke up flat on my back with six appendages and can't type so well"

While I enjoy the reference, Kafka wasn't an existentialist.

11/11/2007 6:45:04 PM

^tell that to sartre

11/11/2007 10:07:56 PM

I think this thread could be possible foreshadowing

[Edited on November 11, 2007 at 11:00 PM. Reason : pl]

11/11/2007 11:00:32 PM

I meant to respond to this thread today. Or, maybe, yesterday; I can't be sure.

That doesn't mean anything. It may have been yesterday.

11/11/2007 11:13:27 PM

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"tell that to sartre"

Sartre can misclassify him all he likes, but Kafka was dead before "existentialism" was refined into existence.

11/12/2007 12:11:42 AM

*cough* nerd *cough*

11/12/2007 12:17:26 AM

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"Kafka was dead before "existentialism" was refined into existence"

haha, the last time i checked kafka died long after kierkegaard

[Edited on November 12, 2007 at 12:33 AM. Reason : ^you shut-up you]

11/12/2007 12:31:38 AM

well, i think she means the more atheistic vein of existentialism

11/12/2007 1:27:11 AM

no pasa nada, nietzsche killed god before kafka came along as well

11/12/2007 1:51:48 AM

If you're going to throw out Sartre's name, then you have to know that "existentialism" wasn't a set philosophy until he came along. I mean, just because someone's writing has one existentialist characteristic (like absurdism) and served as a precursor to the form it took in the 40s and 50s doesn't mean he/she was an existentialist.

11/12/2007 12:53:26 PM

heh, that's akin to saying people didn't practice "geometry" before euclid codified it. sartre's dialectic may well have been the most elegant, but it was hardly revolutionary. by and large, he simply borrowed the ideas of other philosophers that suited him--bad faith from kierkegaard, authenticity from heidegger, subjectivity from husserl, nothingness from nietzsche, etc.

11/12/2007 1:38:23 PM

I can't wait for you guys to help me with my homework next semester

11/12/2007 2:17:45 PM

i think still furshia may have met her match...

11/12/2007 4:00:45 PM

^ hahaha, no

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"heh, that's akin to saying people didn't practice "geometry" before euclid codified it. sartre's dialectic may well have been the most elegant, but it was hardly revolutionary. by and large, he simply borrowed the ideas of other philosophers that suited him--bad faith from kierkegaard, authenticity from heidegger, subjectivity from husserl, nothingness from nietzsche, etc."

No, I'm not in any way denying that they had something to do with it: I even stated that they did. But they didn't adhere to ALL parts of it. And they even contradict each other: I'm pretty sure Nietzsche wouldn'tve enjoyed Husserl's ideas on subjectivity, since he was convinced he was right that God was dead and that people were sheep. Besides which, Husserl was basically just rehashing Platonic forms: if you seriously want to include everyone who shaped Existential theory, you shouldn't stop with just a few of them.

11/12/2007 5:48:11 PM

haha, silly me, if i'm going to credit anyone, i should credit the entire western canon--disregarding, of course, their varying degrees of influence. that aside, if you really expect that following a particular school of philosophy entails embracing "ALL parts of it", i should tell you that you've set impossibly-high standards--which is to say that if they all agreed, there would be nothing left to argue about.

11/12/2007 8:02:32 PM

You're missing my point.

I'm not limiting any credit, I'm just saying that the thing itself wasn't set down and popularized until Sartre. Kafka, before Sartre, wasn't writing a goddamn thing in order to be existential in nature. Hell, I don't think he ever even wrote a philosophical treatise of any kind.

11/12/2007 10:23:30 PM

existentialism has always been explained through literature, and is somewhat unique in that way--sartre himself did so in nausea a full ten years before publishing being and nothingness. you're right to an extent, in that sartre and heidegger before him were the first to develop existentialism as an ontology (in response to husserl) and sartre most certainly popularized it. however, the main crux of sartrean existentialism, namely that "existence precedes essence", appeared substantively long before sartre coined the phrase to describe it. to say that sartre's existentialism is existentialism, is really quite a narrow view (which i know you never claimed per se) principally because it presupposes both that there is no God and that humans have free will--both of which are far from being universally accepted.

11/12/2007 11:15:04 PM

yall should do it and get it over with

11/12/2007 11:21:10 PM

so I take it you learn something in this class?

11/13/2007 12:13:26 AM

haha, couldn't tell ya, i've never taken it

11/13/2007 12:14:31 AM

to say Kierkegaard wasn't an Existentialist, is technically true. Saying Jesus of Nazareth wasn't a Christian is true also.

but any study of existentialism must necessarily include Kierkegaard and (to a lesser extent) Kafka. StillFurchia's petty battle to make a distinction is just pedantry.




[Edited on November 17, 2007 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2007 3:10:24 PM

but still correct

11/17/2007 6:01:45 PM

how did I know that when I clicked on this thread it would be a bunch of wannabe philosophers circlejerking each other

that being said, it's really hard to fail a class like this

11/17/2007 7:02:10 PM

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"how did I know that when I clicked on this thread it would be a bunch of wannabe philosophers circlejerking each other"

then pretend you weren't a faggot and gtfo

11/17/2007 9:01:15 PM

this thread makes me torn no homo

i like seeing still furshia get told she isnt correct, but i dont want to see fecal japan move in on my woman

11/18/2007 12:42:49 AM

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11/18/2007 1:06:43 AM

yeah you got a leg up on the competition(no pun intended)...you and her like that emo type music...i dont think she likes crunk music too much

11/18/2007 1:38:04 AM

she said she likes some rap

11/18/2007 1:47:44 AM

see, you lose because your first "clever" reply to this thread was

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"the unbearable lightness of being"

let me know when you get to the upper class, sophomore.

11/18/2007 3:51:54 AM

ahahaha...so much for not being a faggot

11/18/2007 4:42:46 PM

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[Edited on November 18, 2007 at 5:35 PM. Reason : I can't read]

11/18/2007 5:28:15 PM

i hate to say it, but...

FecalJapan +1

11/19/2007 5:24:15 AM

i hate to say it, but...

FecalJapan +1

11/19/2007 9:43:21 AM

Okay so

Ignore all the goddamned idiocy in this thread thus far

Here's an answer to your question:

I think Bykova teaches Existentialism at NCSU -- if this is the case, you definitely want to take the course. You'll learn a lot, not to mention she's fucking brilliant, extremely nice, and ridiculously accessible. If anything confuses you at all, you can go see her in her office and she'll take as long as you need to explain it to you.

She's a world-recognized scholar of German philosophy -- I'd definitely take this course with her (I only took her 19th century philosophy German philosophy course, didn't get a chance to take existentialism with her).

11/19/2007 9:31:56 PM

^

Cool, thanks for the info. I declare you the winner of this thread

She is teaching this section next semester, good to know she's qualified and knows her stuff. I'm registered to take it next semester, so we shall see how it goes.

11/19/2007 10:19:19 PM

once again our resident "philosophy scholar" shows up to talk out his ass.

do not listen to anything this jackoff has to say.

seriously, now you're gonna listen to some German talk about Existentialism? Helllllooooooo, McFly? Existentialism is French!



dumbass.

11/20/2007 9:14:16 AM

lawl

11/20/2007 3:12:54 PM