This is seriously the most idiotic piece of trash I have ever read, and apparently it was a mandatory read for all University of Delaware students.

http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/3d0208922083e5d59664be8371ab5f0f.pdf

Check out the definition of Racist for a laugh/vomit.

Also, apparently the white race originated in Virginia. I guess all the examples of classic literature describing people as white are just honky propaganda.

I'll probably post this in chit chat also, it's got hilarity written all over it.

11/9/2007 5:26:52 PM

Dr. Butler is a racist.

11/9/2007 5:29:28 PM

RACIST

11/9/2007 5:32:31 PM

^^^actually it was "suggested" reading for their RA's

11/9/2007 5:37:57 PM

terrible.

11/9/2007 5:38:52 PM

oh yeah and this was already posted weeks ago in this section. it was one of hooksaw's threads

11/9/2007 5:40:35 PM

Which one?

I looked at the titles of all of them post august 15.

11/9/2007 5:45:53 PM

I wonder if he considers Barack Obama racist cause he has a white mother?

11/9/2007 5:56:15 PM

11/9/2007 5:58:09 PM

It wasn't quite that bad at first... it rang Al Sharpton-ish, but nothing too outrageous.

...Then he started to say that all "whites" believe the in "African peoples" inferiority, the claim that "reverse racism" does not exist, that it is only propagated by white people, that the only form of racism that exists is white supremacy, the concept that a white person cannot be non-racist (in other words, a white person must be racist), and finally the "YOU ARE WITH US, OR YOU ARE THE ENEMY" statement that ends the essay section.

The person that wrote this is insane, racist, and is only helping to continue the existence of racism and discrimination by race by writing this. Distributing this paper is complete fallacy, and I'm surprised no one has sued U of Delaware for it yet.

11/9/2007 7:49:09 PM

I don't see a Dr. Shakti Butler listed in UD's directories

11/9/2007 7:54:56 PM

Oh, and is anyone else bothered by the "an historical" phrase? I mean, unless you're speaking with a British or heavily Northern accent, "historical" does NOT begin with a vowel sound.

11/9/2007 7:59:11 PM

hahaha that definition is hilarious.


....hmmmm how can i make 100% of white people racist and make myself not racist at all???


GENIOUS!!!!

11/9/2007 8:04:05 PM

^Actually the end of the essay makes it sound like a white guy wrote it.

11/9/2007 8:08:54 PM

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"Oh, and is anyone else bothered by the "an historical" phrase? I mean, unless you're speaking with a British or heavily Northern accent, "historical" does NOT begin with a vowel sound."

I always thought that the stress in the word "historical" was on the "TOR" syllable, meaning that the h would become unstressed. In a case like that, you'd use "an."

Try saying "a HIstorical." Doesn't that sound awkward and harsh to you?

[Edited on November 10, 2007 at 10:48 AM. Reason : .]

11/10/2007 10:47:40 AM

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"I don't see a Dr. Shakti Butler listed in UD's directories"

11/10/2007 12:18:22 PM

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"I always thought that the stress in the word "historical" was on the "TOR" syllable, meaning that the h would become unstressed. In a case like that, you'd use "an." Try saying "a HIstorical." Doesn't that sound awkward and harsh to you?"

Harsh perhaps, but English did derive mostly from German.

When you say "an historical" you basically have to cut the H out completely, which sounds far more awkward.

Also

http://www.alphadictionary.com/articles/drgw007.html

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"Although the sound [h] is disappearing from many dialects of English, it is not dropping out in every word; it is dropping only from those syllables that are unaccented, hence pronounced more lightly. This means that "history" retains its [h] because the syllable it introduces is accented. The accent falls on the second syllable of "historical," so the word AS PRONOUNCED, not as written, begins with a vowel in many dialects. This means that "the" should be pronounced [thee] and "an" is the appropriate indefinite article in those dialects but only those dialects. "A historical" remains preferable in formal English."

11/10/2007 12:56:42 PM

Formal English according to who? Every time I see the phrase in contemporary academic journals, I see an "an." It's possible everybody's making an error, but could you give me another source than "Dr. Goodword" at alphadictionary.com? I'm not necessarily doubting it, I just want better evidence.

11/10/2007 1:03:09 PM

Isn't everyone a little racist?

11/10/2007 1:17:22 PM

^^ I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for. I gave you a source, you claim you have evidence from some random "contemporary academic journals"

From what I'm seeing on the internet, an historical is British, a historical is American.

http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/historical.html

Yeah, I know, grammartips.com or whatever isn't reliable enough for you.

11/10/2007 1:51:02 PM

Look you might be completely right -- I'm just telling you what I normally see, and why I'm surprised to hear otherwise.

That's why I'm wondering if there's something more definitive to lay out the position.

11/10/2007 2:06:19 PM

This is a good read

I agree 100% with everything he has to say

11/10/2007 4:49:12 PM

From the pdf...

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"In practice, it is difficult for an activist of color not to be an anti-racist activist, since the struggle against racial oppression intersects with every issue affecting people of color."

I'ma have to call bullshit.

There are plenty of black people who have grievances that aren't related to race.

Assuming it's all race, all the time is simplistic and offensive.

11/10/2007 5:53:41 PM

This shit is real? LMFAO

11/10/2007 5:58:59 PM

But I do understand the point of these seemingly hypersensitive training manuals.

A lot of schools are very, very white with black student populations at <5 percent.

The dorms are largely white, and the RAs tend to be white and coming from white high schools and neighborhoods.

It's important for folks, particularly RAs, to have at least a little experience with racism so they can be prepared to identify it, advocate for the target of the racism, and help students cope.

The transition from high school to college is very difficult for some students, and even harder for some black students. We need to be sensitive to that reality.

11/10/2007 6:12:14 PM

^It also doesn't help that a university (like NCSU) ends up sticking all the non-white kids in the same couple dorms and that most of the non-whites will continue to associate with non-whites, as they did in high school.

11/10/2007 6:26:25 PM

^My understanding is that the students aren't stuck there by the University. That would be entirely illegal.

I thought those people chose to stay in those dorms, and that those dorms are open to anybody who wants to stay there--it's just understood that most folks who opt to stay there aren't white. If I lived on campus, I'd stay at North. It's closest to my classes and located on Hillsborough Street.

Anyway, having unoficially black dorms should be a temporary solution to the difficulties of transitioning in college.

11/10/2007 6:48:47 PM

Well, I wanted Turlington, Becton, and Sullivan my freshman year. I got Wood. What students want is irrelevant. I doubt most students in North are CHASS majors. As a chem major, I wanted something close to Dabney (my classes). But lo and behold, places like Avent Ferry and North get a significant number of black students, and black RAs. I'm sure that a lot of black students will choose black roommates, them probably being friends going to State together, but I don't understand how entire suites in dorms like Wood end up being mostly white or mostly black, or dorms like North where most of the residents aren't white.

But even then,

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"But I do understand the point of these seemingly hypersensitive training manuals. A lot of schools are very, very white with black student populations at <5 percent. The dorms are largely white, and the RAs tend to be white and coming from white high schools and neighborhoods. It's important for folks, particularly RAs, to have at least a little experience with racism so they can be prepared to identify it, advocate for the target of the racism, and help students cope. The transition from high school to college is very difficult for some students, and even harder for some black students. We need to be sensitive to that reality."

Shut the fuck up. Leave this racist bullshit alone and focus on the true purpose of public schooling (for grade school and public universities): to make good citizens. Good citizens understand that all are created and thus should be treated equal. They don't need to be made to live in fear of offending people, or that they will be mistreated. America is not the place for that. America is supposed to be a land where you get your ass kicked for stomping on rights and forcing people to do what they don't want to do. The state and University of Delaware need to know that white people will generally treat black people nicely, and vice versa, without any poking or prodding. If they don't, well, those people are assholes anyway. The more they make race an issue, the longer it will stay one.

11/10/2007 7:14:07 PM

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"chembob: Well, I wanted Turlington, Becton, and Sullivan my freshman year. I got Wood. What students want is irrelevant. I doubt most students in North are CHASS majors. As a chem major, I wanted something close to Dabney (my classes). But lo and behold, places like Avent Ferry and North get a significant number of black students, and black RAs. I'm sure that a lot of black students will choose black roommates, them probably being friends going to State together, but I don't understand how entire suites in dorms like Wood end up being mostly white or mostly black, or dorms like North where most of the residents aren't white."

If black students are getting preferential treatment for dormitory assignments, that is a serious issue. I always assumed that white students typically didn't request Avent Ferry or North and left those dorms to black students.

To be clear, if there are white students getting their dormitory requests passed over in favor of the requests of black students, that is a BIG problem. That's huge. It's just plain wrong and should be addressed ASAP.

Furthermore, I believe it's also wrong to pair up potluck students based on race. Study, sleeping, noise, and smoking preferences should outweigh race. If a student wants to live with a person of a particular race, they should have to find somebody to live with, not count on the university to arrange it for them.

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"chembob: Shut the fuck up. Leave this racist bullshit alone and focus on the true purpose of public schooling (for grade school and public universities): to make good citizens. Good citizens understand that all are created and thus should be treated equal. They don't need to be made to live in fear of offending people, or that they will be mistreated. America is not the place for that. America is supposed to be a land where you get your ass kicked for stomping on rights and forcing people to do what they don't want to do. The state and University of Delaware need to know that white people will generally treat black people nicely, and vice versa, without any poking or prodding. If they don't, well, those people are assholes anyway. The more they make race an issue, the longer it will stay one."

I'm not clear what you're saying here.

I think what you're trying to say is that diversity training is not necessary.

I obviously disagree. And no amount of blathering about your vision of America is going to change my mind.

11/10/2007 8:07:55 PM

haha imo his vision of america sucks

11/10/2007 8:22:37 PM

^^woah woah woah woah

my vision?

Honey, if you have a problem with that vision, you're in the wrong country.

I'm assuming you have a problem with this:

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"focus on the true purpose of public schooling (for grade school and public universities): to make good citizens."

i have no plan for what they would learn. but why do you think the Greeks valued education? why do you think the founding fathers valued education? A democracy requires an educated electorate to truly succeed and rise above a simple mob that can be swayed to and fro.

but in case that wasn't it, let's break the rest down.

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"Good citizens understand that all are created and thus should be treated equal. They don't need to be made to live in fear of offending people, or that they will be mistreated."

I think that flows from being educated, and the realization that life sucks and you will get treated like crap, but that is part of being human.

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"America is not the place for that. America is supposed to be a land where you get your ass kicked for stomping on rights and forcing people to do what they don't want to do."

i don't know how you could have a problem with this, esp. considering all the people who want to impeach Bush by accusing his administration of doing that kind of stuff, which is to be expected from citizens concerned with Constitutional rights.

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"The state and University of Delaware need to know that white people will generally treat black people nicely, and vice versa, without any poking or prodding. If they don't, well, those people are assholes anyway. The more they make race an issue, the longer it will stay one."

this was in response to the article in question

saying shit like:

definitely isn't going to help much. but who knows.

11/10/2007 9:40:02 PM

Hahah, nice.

Every single white person is racist. Not a single non-white person is or can be racist...

and the foundation she established is "designed to help people learn together and share deep feelings about race and culture." Good going on meeting those ends, crazy lady.


And as much as I hate providing right wingers with fodder, Looking through her curriculum vitae provided some humorous tidbits:

-The University she earned her PhD at has two schools: the School of Professional Psychology, and the School of Consciousness and Transformation

-She's trained people at Shell Global, the Kellogg Foundation, Sandia National Labs, and the US Postal Service. Can you imagine being subjected to this at work?

11/11/2007 3:37:39 PM

yeah, this shit is offensive.

i dont know if this is a liberal vs. conservative issue.

i think this is a common sense vs. batshit insane issue.

if anyone came at me with that garbage, in the name of liberalism, PC, diversity, or whatever... I'd tell them to shove it up their ass.

and it was at work, i'd follow it up by packing up my belongings in a cardboard box and head over to HR to sign the forms.

11/11/2007 4:53:08 PM

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"I always assumed that white students typically didn't request Avent Ferry or North and left those dorms to black students."

Uh, I don't know about everybody else but I just picked Owen because they had sinks in the room and nice big windows.

That and it was right up on campus.

Quality definition of a racist, btw. Having this as suggested reading is laughable. There's bound to be much better things to read that put racial sensitivity in an appropriate context for people of all races. Not this ignorant closed-minded bullshit that only makes things worse for everybody.

Having this article suggested to anybody for reading is about as ridiculous as asking that all the students in E101 read one of salisburyboy's 100+ page tinfoil hat threads about our "A.U.T.H.O.R.I.T.I.E.Z.". Absolutely ridiculous...

11/11/2007 7:12:30 PM

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"I always assumed that white students typically didn't request Avent Ferry or North and left those dorms to black students."

yeah this is definitely not true. i chose lee hall when i went because i heard not all dorms had air conditioning but i knew this one did. also, my best friend, who is white, stayed in north hall

11/11/2007 7:39:56 PM

11/11/2007 8:56:38 PM

^^I don't understand what you're trying to say.

I said "typically." Of course, there are white students who request those dorms.

11/12/2007 1:13:59 AM

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"I always assumed that whiteblack students typically didn't request Avent Ferry or North and left those dorms to black students.because they'd rather segregate themselves and be around more blacks"

11/12/2007 1:18:11 AM

^Of course.

But in order for them to segregate themselves, white folks have to mostly not request those dorms.

[Edited on November 12, 2007 at 1:44 AM. Reason : ?]

11/12/2007 1:43:39 AM

# of black students requesting those dorms is probably greater than the # of white students requesting those dorms

which would lead me to believe that more blacks would be found at those dorms

11/12/2007 1:47:45 AM

^What is your point?

11/12/2007 2:52:55 AM

you are saying in order for blacks to segregate themselves whites have to mostly choose different dorms where as i am saying blacks have to segregate themselves because they all choose the same dorms

11/12/2007 3:13:54 AM

^It's both.

It has to be both for it work to out the way it does.

11/12/2007 3:16:56 AM

Of course you'd think it's a good idea to live in North, Bridget -- you're a "snowflake breezy."

11/12/2007 3:53:08 AM

(Long night, too much caffeine, this is going to be a rambling mess)


^^ Assuming white and other non-black ethnicities were to distribute their selection preferences equally across campus and black students were to heavily favor 2 particular dorms. Under a lottery system (tiered to consider class year) this would likely result in a greater number portion of the students in those two dorms than elsewhere on campus.

Although there probably are a few dorms that white students request in higher proportions compared to black students, this is not necessary for an uneven student distribution. Since you're allowed to select a finite number of ranked dorm preferences, trends will show through regardless.

Think of it like this. In a lottery system everyone has an equal chance to get their first choice assume no dorms are full yet For the sake of simplicity say the chance to get your first choice is 1/10 (very oversimplified.) Let's also assume that there are 10 dorms. Say 10% of white students select dorm A while 80% of black students select dorm A as their first choice. Given an equal chance of getting your first choice, more black students will receive dorm A as a proportion of their populatio than would white students. This would have, on the first set of selections, 8% of the black students in dorm A and 1% of white students here. Things are obviously more complex than this, but you see the progression of things.

So I think it boils down to an interpretation of what you're saying. Most white students in my simplified scenario did not select dorm A. That is not to say, however, that they disproportionately selected other dorms. I think DNL beleives you are suggesting that the unequal distribution of students requires unequal selection on the part of both ethnic groups considered. DNL is correct in his assertion that unequal distribution can occur even if there is a completely equal distribution of dorm preference among one of the populations. In that way segregation would require ONLY either black student preference of those dorms OR white students avoiding them. While it PROBABLY is a combination of the two, this isn't necessarily the case.

[Edited on November 12, 2007 at 6:36 AM. Reason : ]

11/12/2007 6:25:39 AM

If you disagree, you're racist

11/12/2007 7:52:09 AM

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"psychic poisoning"

sounds like something they'd run into in star trek.

11/12/2007 10:45:25 AM

^^^^In order to be a breezy, someone has to want to have sex with you.

Someday I will be a breezy! It's my goal in life.

^^^I appreciate you explaining it to me, but I already understood that. It's just that the percentages of white and black on this campus make that impossible. There aren't enough black folks to drown out the white folks without white folks avoiding those dorms. It has to be both.

11/12/2007 3:49:28 PM

did you ever live on campus, Bridget?

11/12/2007 3:51:14 PM

I already brought this incident up weeks ago. It's so egregious that it deserves its own thread, though.

/message_topic.aspx?topic=500124

Didn't see this before--sorry.

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"oh yeah and this was already posted weeks ago in this section. it was one of hooksaw's threads"

sarijoul

In any event, the FIRE Web site is filled with similar violations of individual rights at colleges and universities across the nation. One has but to read about these incidents to realize why FIRE's work is so important--and, unfortunately, necessary.

http://www.thefire.org/

[Edited on November 12, 2007 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2007 4:10:21 PM