or consider:

Quote :

"The numbers told a lot of the story: Valvano was 62-34 and had won a national championship. Krzyzewski was 38-47 and had yet to win a game in the NCAA tournament. Krzyzewski was competing against an icon eleven miles to the south and a media megastar twenty-five miles to the east. He also had a lot of alumni who were urging his boss, Tom Butters, to get him the hell out of Duke and go find a real coach to rebuild the program before Valvano and Smith buried the school forever."

or

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"A four game losing streak early the next season (Dean Smith's fourth) left the Tar Heels 6-6. It was the night of the fourth straight loss, a 107-85 humiliation at Wake Forest, that Smith was hanged in effigy outside Woollen Gym by a group of Carolina students."

~ A March to Madness, John Feinstein

Sit back and have a little bit of patience, and remember what's gone right in the Lowe era as well - think about Saturday, February 3, 2007 if you need a little help... we've seen the guy make the in-game adjustments, we've seen him already getting the recruits, just give him the benefit of the doubt and some time to straighten it all out, and ditch for a moment all this short-sighted silliness

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 10:45 PM. Reason : ]

12/10/2007 10:42:28 PM

[agree]

12/10/2007 10:43:46 PM

i can only speak for myself, but what is so unsettling is that the team has digressed from last year. you'll have growing pains, but i don't understand how you take a thin team, add good players to it, and get significantly worse.

i'll give him a few years easily, but when we look like shit i'm going to get on tdub and chat about it. just how it is.

12/10/2007 10:44:35 PM

I support this thread.

^ that's been discussed ad infinitum.

12/10/2007 10:45:07 PM

12/10/2007 10:47:10 PM

this is 2008, not the 80's. there should be no reason a team cannot play with each other.

this is not acceptable and until we win a game TOGETHER i dont care who you fire, just dont light one under my butt

12/10/2007 10:48:15 PM

this is equally as dumb as the firesidneylowe.com thread

12/10/2007 10:48:39 PM

Quote :

"can only speak for myself, but what is so unsettling is that the team has digressed from last year. you'll have growing pains, but i don't understand how you take a thin team, add good players to it, and get significantly worse. i'll give him a few years easily, but when we look like shit i'm going to get on tdub and chat about it. just how it is."

Well said.

I think if we tanked at the end of last season and finished last or next to last with no run in the post season, people wouldn't be bitching about our start this season.

Of course, if we had lost to Villanova, USC, and MSU instead of UNO and ECU we wouldn't be bitching as bad either.

Its the regression that is so frustrating. I expected bumps, I didn't expect us to tank this bad.



[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM. Reason : ]

12/10/2007 10:48:49 PM

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"this is 2008, not the 80's. there should be no reason a team cannot play with each other."

what

12/10/2007 10:50:18 PM

I like when Feinstein guest hosts The Jim Rome show.

12/10/2007 10:51:09 PM

well of course you didnt expect it when every one thought we would be a contender for top ACC spot.

the way its going, i dont see it happening.

state has produced 2 good years out of like 25

the year hodge took us to sweet 16, and last year when we beat UNC and what it meant.

this is not a basketball team. its a circus. i think i may just pull for the afgans

12/10/2007 10:52:02 PM

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"this is 2008, not the 80's. there should be no reason a team cannot play with each other."

wat

12/10/2007 10:54:37 PM

didnt you know? in the future everyone gets along!

12/10/2007 10:55:34 PM

you people

sometimes i cannot believe you guys are real NCSU fans.

12/10/2007 10:56:50 PM

ha where is that jackleg "i'm a real fan" website?

12/10/2007 10:59:08 PM

cool insight.

i appreciate the two examples. very interesting.

12/10/2007 11:12:20 PM