Its settled. I'm seeing how its forming. Its the only traditional type of race.

A mormon is a big No No !!!

Huckabee is corrupt. The gifts, the bribes and his son hanging an animal. And the 1000 pardons. He fooled me.

Guiliani. No way. An italian and a new yorker that's a prick and a socialite.

No need for comment on hilary and obama.

12/18/2007 5:10:04 PM

mccain v edwards = another 2000 dispute in votes

giuliani - i'm not sure how being italian has anything to do with his abilities. he's a prick? good luck naming many politicians who aren't. socialite? are you forgetting 200 years of us presidents?

12/18/2007 7:10:56 PM

THIS CAME OUT TODAY

12/18/2007 7:27:39 PM

but guiliani is from nyc. and i'm from nyc. and there's no way i'd trust an nyc politician. we're people that YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TRUST. we're very aware of this. the rest of the company will catch on to it.

12/18/2007 8:09:02 PM

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"we're people that YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TRUST"

and how is this a problem

12/18/2007 8:17:03 PM

strike this thread . . . who knows. it's up in the air. for the Republicans any choice other than McCain is suicide.


the Dems . . . i like the idea of Barack. Hilary would be awkward, but a powerful image boost ... and I like what Edwards is saying. he's sticking it to the government more than Barack or Hilary. he's the only one really calling Bush out about how fucked up the war is. i mean i think its a good war, but it has its faults.

12/18/2007 11:15:02 PM

you think it's a good war......how enlightening...

12/19/2007 4:35:29 PM

well. i mean its a good war in that its not a "bad war". we're meeting our objectives. we're finding people. we're restoring order in some parts. and you know, war is a challenge, but I commend Bush. he's been a great leader for our country. but you know, with anything you have some mistakes. i feel like McCain is the best in overlooking the small errors we've made and moving forward to win/end this war.

12/19/2007 4:41:21 PM

oh ok, so you mean from the standpoint of progress. gotcha haha, i was about to say

he's been a horrible leader for our country, he doesn't lead. leading requires inspiring people, uniting people. he's too much of a crusader. and he's not running the war at all, he's left that to people like cheney who have done a horrible job (possibly because of who they relied on for advice, but you'd think they'd be smart enough to pick the right people instead of the like-minded people)

i like mccain a lot too. i love ron paul but i could def go for mccain. to me he seems like the joe biden of the republican party

12/19/2007 4:48:47 PM

what happens is the democrats always look good, but when it nears November and the voting begins REPUBLICANS actually come out and vote for their guy. so however the republican is thats gets the nod is very important. i just want 2 good candidates running so I know we won't be totally fucked.

12/19/2007 4:57:18 PM

i support whatever candidate will get us free iraqi oil

12/19/2007 5:03:02 PM

too much THREE KINGS. its not about the oil, bro. its about imperialism. read your history books. its the same concept. its fucking Empire by Negri and Hardt.

12/19/2007 5:19:37 PM

^

12/19/2007 5:45:59 PM

It'll be McCain vs Obama

12/20/2007 4:23:09 PM

I'd vote McCain;

if McCain won the primary in 00 this country would be in a lot better shape economically, diplomatically, and socially.

12/20/2007 4:35:25 PM

i don't really understand where you guys are getting that mccain will be the republican nominee

12/20/2007 4:35:26 PM

Who do you think will get it?

12/20/2007 4:42:44 PM

Arch Bishop Huckabee brining Jesus back into every americans life in 2008

12/20/2007 4:45:48 PM

^^i don't know. but huckabee, romney and giuliani all look far more likely than mccain at this point to make it out of the primaries with a nomination. my money is on huckabee right now. but i wouldn't be surprised if either of the other two didn't take it.

[Edited on December 20, 2007 at 4:53 PM. Reason : .]

12/20/2007 4:53:09 PM

lot of independents like mccain...and he picked up a shit ton of endorsers in the past week


i'd vote for mccain before i vote for the preacher, the mormon, the 9/11 guy, and the actor

12/20/2007 5:11:19 PM

you guys looking at huckabee are reading far too much into this recent "surge" in polling

and rofl at "arch bishop huckabee"

12/20/2007 5:37:51 PM

but huckabeee took bribes in exchange for putting people in political power in arkansas and he pardons criminals that adopted christianity. it's just not right. it says something about his character. and hardcore christians should not be president.

12/20/2007 5:38:54 PM

mccain is gonna finish strong on the cia torture debacle...i almost would bet my life on it

12/20/2007 5:48:33 PM

Nah, a lot of americans are too comfortable with the idea of torture.

12/20/2007 5:59:16 PM

What about Thompson, ignoring Huckabee he seems like the most likely to survive the primaries or at least as likely as the others... I really have no idea who'll make it.

12/20/2007 7:25:51 PM

from what i was told about thompson...huckabee took a lot of his support...as huckabee went up, thompson went down

12/20/2007 7:37:11 PM

^giuliani went down significantly as well

12/20/2007 8:17:49 PM

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"Nah, a lot of americans are too comfortable with the idea of torture."

12/20/2007 10:16:24 PM

^ wholeheartedly agree...brother in law and i just got into an argument about it. He definitely used the "well we're Americans so we should be able to do what we want" and the rest of the world has to do what we say....he also had alot of other ignorant things to say but i won't digress

12/20/2007 10:29:26 PM

its not necessarity that i'm "ok" with torture. I have a problem with Bush using torture then trying to cover it up and claim that it isn't torture.

This is fucking juvenile. Almost this reminds me of all the frats getting caught hazing. "IFC making the pledges run through the brickyard isn't hazing! it was education and a team building exercise to enhance team work and build comfortableness with their pledge bros.

12/20/2007 10:44:02 PM

BTW, I wonder why Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's Mormon faith has never been raised as an issue by the national media--or anyone else of note that I can think of. Curious.

12/20/2007 11:09:06 PM

maybe because they weren't running for president? i don't know. could be.

12/20/2007 11:19:09 PM

ITS BECAUSE OF THE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am not liberal, however, i am sick of the GOP acting like they are the victims when the same tactics they love to use are reversed.

12/20/2007 11:53:10 PM

^^^ because it doesn't fucking matter

and romney's should NEVER have been brought up either. there should not be ONE religious question asked of any candidate whatsoever

12/21/2007 1:46:07 AM

^Yes there should...

"Will your religion affect your policy?"

don't pretend huckabee's wouldn't/won't big time, he wants us to be a theocracy. and yes, that matters.

[Edited on December 21, 2007 at 2:07 AM. Reason : fhds]

12/21/2007 2:07:25 AM

Reid's the Senate majority leader, which is a very important position in a coequal branch of government. If his religion doesn't matter, why does a presidential candidate's?

12/21/2007 4:00:41 AM

^^well by your reasoning, we should only allow atheists in office because there is not one religious person out there that wouldn't let their faith affect their policy

^

[Edited on December 21, 2007 at 4:36 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/21/2007 4:36:23 PM

i'm not saying that either should be mentioned. but it's not a conspiracy.

1) 98% of the country doesn't vote for harry reid.
2) the congress isn't given as much media attention as the presidential candidates.
3) reid isn't running for anything in iowa, where voters had voiced discomfort with his mormon faith.
4) reid didn't make a speech for the national audience about his faith.

[Edited on December 21, 2007 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2007 4:47:00 PM

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"Reid's the Senate majority leader, which is a very important position in a coequal branch of government. If his religion doesn't matter, why does a presidential candidate's?"

Well, aside from the fact that I don't care about a given persons religion (unless they use it to bother me) then it doesn't matter.


But I think the answer you're looking for is that the president is one person that controls the whole branch of government. The Senate leader is one person that simply tries to maintain sanity with 99 other people. He doesn't control everything that comes in and out of the Senate, though I imagine he could shut it down for a short time if he wanted too, but then he'd probably be removed from his seat by the rest of the democrats.

Put simply, Reid isn't as powerful as a president and therefore isn't as important as a person.

12/21/2007 4:54:06 PM

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"1) 98% of the country doesn't vote for harry reid."

less than 50% of the country votes period

12/22/2007 11:11:19 AM

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"THIS CAME OUT TODAY "

That late breaking development was so scandalous that it pushed what I considered to be the bigger news story of Bat Boy attacking Joan River's niece to page 9.

12/23/2007 8:43:44 PM

Agree with the possibility of this outcome. The best indicator of future performance is the past, notwithstanding that it's still a pretty bad indicator.

I think Edwards understands Iowa. He has lived and breathed Iowan politics looking for the "big score." And McCain no doubt understands New Hampshire.

These are states where grassroots means something and the candidates who work it, win. That doesn't guarantee a primary victory. But it does make for a solid foundation going forward.

12/24/2007 6:05:23 AM

Since edwards once to give every illegal mexican social security and healthcare; McCain gets my vote

12/24/2007 12:06:51 PM

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"less than 50% of the country votes period"

i was making the point that only one state voted for harry reid. so of course his election wouldn't be nearly as publicized as a presidential candidate's campaign.

12/24/2007 2:15:51 PM

Well, Reid is quite obviously willing to make decisions that conflict his faith, because he cares more about the constitution. It seems that Romney is more willing to let his faith override the constitution.

12/24/2007 3:12:10 PM

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"Well, Reid is quite obviously willing to make decisions that conflict his faith, because he cares more about the constitution."

Such as what? Examples, please. Reid may let other factors override his faith, but faithful adherence to the Constitution does not immediately strike one as "one of them."

(The same goes double for Romney - he was pro-choice as governor, and is now running as pro-life. Clearly, other factors seem to matter more than his Mormon religion - but the Constitution hardly seems to be one of them...)

12/24/2007 3:30:23 PM

its gonna be mccain versus hillary

i did a little canvasing at my relatives place in VA...its a very repub part and they all say hillary...i think repubs dont realize how many repubs would vote for hillary...a lot of whites think obama is either a muslim or they wouldnt vote for him cause he is halfrican american

12/25/2007 6:08:47 PM

basing your predictions on what people in VA think is probably not the most accurate way. virginia isn't important in choosing the nominees. believe me: in the states that matter to selecting the next nominee (IA, NH, SC, NV) EVERYONE knows who all these candidates are. hell they probably can't get away from the candidates and their commercials and speeches.

12/26/2007 2:11:43 PM

edwards is so fake

1/1/2008 11:09:43 AM

I think that a McCain candidacy is plausible, though I certainly still wouldn't call it probable. I have a very hard time seeing Edwards beating either Clinton or Obama, much less both of them.

Which is good...I can't stand that slimy populist fucker.

1/2/2008 5:03:51 AM