As a militant feminist she is acknowledging that she is competing for a "mans" job. She realizes its a mens club, the office and race for the presidency. She also tries to tell people that she is tough enough for the job and that a woman is capable of doing it. Yet, despite this, she has no problem crying and being feminine when the results benefit her...like gaining sympathy of female voters. She also uses her sex as a political weapon to claim the men are attacking her and being unfair because she is a woman. Essentially she is claiming that she is tough like a man but also she is just an emotional woman being picked on when the results benefit her. Now I believe all of this is of course a calculated show, but nonetheless she still uses her female sex and its inherent differences from males when it suits her. It also proves that she has no values, because she is willing to compromise the values (feminism among others) she claims to hold when its in her best interest. Truth be told, she is a cold calculating manipulative person who stands for only herself......now, just for sake of argument...if the tears were genuine it proves how weak she really is and how she does not have the balls (pun intended) to be president.

1/10/2008 2:17:00 PM

I just have so many opportunities for this country. I don't want to see us fall behind. No.

1/10/2008 2:18:15 PM

Do you not think Obama is at all using the fact that he is part black as a tool to gain votes? They all do it.........

1/10/2008 2:19:59 PM

except for the white men who have no actual advantage when campaigning (in this area)


Republican18 is right, she is foresaking feminism for the good of herself... which is interesting

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2008 2:22:25 PM

A man crying, depending on the circumstances, is different in that if a man were to cry because his political rivals "picked" on him then he is done. A man crying during an extreme tragedy is a different set of circumstances.

1/10/2008 2:29:25 PM

Reagan cried when challenger happened, bush during 9/11, hillary because someone was picking on her.

1/10/2008 2:30:32 PM

haha, well it wasn't exactly an all out ugly cry, just a crack of the voice....but it was calculated, she knew what she was doing and apparently it worked (at least for NH anyways).

1/10/2008 2:31:36 PM

and again, the irony of her experience being not because of her own accomplishments (just another junior senator running here) but to those of her husband. How progressive.

1/10/2008 2:50:21 PM

I personally have nothing against a female president so long as she is strong, principled, honest, a good leader and has achieved and accomplished things worthy of earning the job and I also more or less agree with her politically. Hillary, fits none of these. She is the phoniest human being alive, who will say and do anything to get where she wants to be. Granted, a lot of politicians may do this to some extent, but she is to the extreme. remember her southern accent at the black church

1/10/2008 3:18:31 PM

haha, priceless.

1/10/2008 3:20:42 PM

hopefully when hillary is president and the next terrorist attack happens, it wont be during that time of the month

1/10/2008 3:27:34 PM

she'll just cry

1/10/2008 3:33:38 PM

I think the fact that she cries about the "double standard" held on her for being a woman (for the reasons you outlined) are atrocious.

Its like Obama getting all fussy about people giving him a hard time for his name.

I think its crazy how people are making up things that this campaign is harder on Hillary because she has to prove women are tough and can lead. Its such media bullshit.

1/10/2008 3:39:07 PM

It's called menopause, not menstrual period. A case of hot flashes, not PMS.

1/10/2008 3:40:23 PM

is she old enough for menopause yet? our lucky country will probably see 2 years of her PMSing and then 2 of her menopausing...a win win for everyone

1/10/2008 3:45:07 PM

Well at least the electricity bill will go down during the winter for the White House.....I mean, they'll have the windows open trying to cool her down........and thus saving the environment.

1/10/2008 3:47:20 PM

Whenever I hear people say "crying" in reference to this scene I have to laugh because it's obvious they didn't actually see the video or are making no attempt to honestly portray what they saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhFxE6QJWjE

Maybe it's a calculated show and a bit of acting- if so she's a pretty good actor. Now I'm not saying there's anything good about Hilary Clinton, she and Romney are the kinds of consummate politicians I despise. Come on though, can't you attack her honestly rather than repeating poorly worded accounts of the video?

1/10/2008 3:48:43 PM

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"is she old enough for menopause yet?"

She's 60, so more likely than not.

1/10/2008 3:49:30 PM

^^focus on the minutia that she didnt actually shed tears in her HEARTWRENCHING PLEA that this was personal and about the children...the only reason she didnt cry is her reptilian ducts have long been dried with the corruption of power

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/10/2008 3:50:50 PM

There's just no point in arguing for her anymore....because people bitch either way......she's a hard, cold impersonal person if she doesnt show humanness and emotion and she's a wuss if she does, so just let her run and win.

I think women start having flashes at like 50 anyways, dont they?

1/10/2008 3:50:58 PM

do you know how weak it looks to an enemy fundamentalist, who has no respect for women anyways, to see her cry over being picked on. And, on a side note, Im almost as mad at the dumb women voters who fall for this sympathy ploy.

1/10/2008 3:51:43 PM

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"to see her cry"

Well since those dangerous fundamentalists can read exaggerated accounts like yours and treetwista's (echoing pundits on fox news et al) I'm sure they have similar thoughts as you do. GG giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2008 3:54:51 PM

Hillary acts like she thinks the presidency should be handed to her. She's too arrogant to realize that most people can't stand her.

1/10/2008 3:57:05 PM

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"echoing pundits on fox news et al) "

anybody who doesnt like hillary is simply echoing pundits on fox news

it has nothing to do with seeing how much of a lying power hungry bitch she has been for the past 15 years

1/10/2008 4:12:29 PM

1/10/2008 4:20:34 PM

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"Hillary acts like she thinks the presidency should be handed to her. She's too arrogant to realize that most people can't stand her."

clap clap clap clap, bravo

1/10/2008 4:23:23 PM

Geez, are you people serious? How is what she's doing any different from how Obama treats his blackness, Romney treats his Mormonism, McCain treats his time as a POW, and Giuliani treats 9/11?

All of them, when they think it will benefit them, have this big thing they can point to.

Do you think Obama's really proud to use his race to benefit him politically? Do you think it's a tenet of the Mormon faith to wave it around and cry about how people are discriminating against you? And John McCain, though he's normally fairly good about not playing up the POW aspect, has still done it -- I'm sure all the POW/MIA people are just thrilled to death. Ditto the victims of 9/11.

ALL SUCCESSFUL POLITICIANS PUT ON CALCULATED SHOWS. NO PERSON WHO JUST ACTS LIKE THEMSELVES EVER SEEMS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE PRESIDENT. THIS IS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS.

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"It also proves that she has no values, because she is willing to compromise the values (feminism among others) she claims to hold when its in her best interest."

Because she lacks one value, it is proven that she has no values. I'm not sure which fallacy this is, but it's a whopper.

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And I positively detest Hillary Clinton.

1/10/2008 4:25:53 PM

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"anybody who doesnt like hillary is simply echoing pundits on fox news "

So you missed:

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"et al"

and where I said:

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"I'm not saying there's anything good about Hilary Clinton, she and Romney are the kinds of consummate politicians I despise. "

I must be echoing them too right? Oh no wait, it's possible to dislike Hilary Clinton and not make stuff up.

1/10/2008 4:27:27 PM

fox news or et al...is that your answer for anything that dares to criticize a democrat? OH YOU MUST BE SAYING WHAT YOU SAW ON HANNITY OR HEARD ON RUSH

do you not remember hillary clinton being in the public eye for the past 15 years? you dont remember all the scandals and corruption and shit that went down that she was tied to? you really think we're taking somebody who has been a saint all their lives and just picking on her because of one recent video?

1/10/2008 4:31:10 PM

Seriously, have you missed the part where I said I despise her?

1/10/2008 4:33:47 PM

no i caught that, and i find it kind of interesting that most of the people defending her also say they dont like her

i just want to make the point that not everyone is picking on hillary just for that video, but moreso that video is just another reason to pick on her

1/10/2008 4:35:32 PM

There's no question she's the most polarizing candidate on either side, mostly because of the way she comes off to people.

I don't blame for her for using her coochie as a political weapon, people will just have to see through the smoke and mirrors.

1/10/2008 4:41:04 PM

I'm not defending her. I'm attacking people like you who seem to think what makes her despicable is somehow special. You don't have to make stuff up to dislike Hillary Clinton, but you do have to make stuff up to hate her and not be infuriated by 90% of field of candidates. If you can't see what's wrong with her without relying on the pundits' distorted second or third hand descriptions, then you've lost touch with reality. Yeah fox was first to come to mind because that's the channel I heard them calling it "crying" on. I know the other stations did it too- hence "et al."

Possibly calculated emotional display that might have turned around NH primaries? That's incredibly skilled politics.

The kind of people able capable of distorting truth and sacrificing principle enough to be truly skilled politicians? Well that's all of them and that's the problem.

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2008 4:41:43 PM

^well said

1/10/2008 5:00:16 PM

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"you do have to make stuff up to hate her and not be infuriated by 90% of field of candidates"

no its simply that she has been in the public eye for the last 15 years, moreso than any of the other candidates

more time = more dirt on her

quit pulling the "pundits distorted second or third hand" card, its lame

what am i supposed to be infuriated about when it comes to richardson or thompson for example? i dont know shit about them

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"The kind of people able capable of distorting truth and sacrificing principle enough to be truly skilled politicians? Well that's all of them and that's the problem."

agree 100%

1/10/2008 5:14:13 PM

I thought this thread was going to be about how everyone calls her a militant bitch for the way she acts/speaks and then when she gets choked up, they say she is too soft and a girl to be president.

1/10/2008 5:22:08 PM

well she tries to play both, and the people that cant see this are blind

1/10/2008 5:44:20 PM

I take issue with what she said, not her crying (although I take issue with that too)

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"I just have so many opportunities for this country"

WTF? Oh thank you so much, oh blessed goddess Hillary. Without you, we wouldn't have these opportunities.

What kind of self righteous bull shit is this? She's lucky she cried because if she hadn't, what she said would be all over the news instead of how she said it.

1/10/2008 5:47:45 PM

Democrats? Double-Standard? SAY IT AINT SO!

1/10/2008 6:53:45 PM

i know right,

1/10/2008 9:24:03 PM

^^^

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"I take issue with what she said, not her crying (although I take issue with that too)"

You're a fucking moron... I take issue with this, but not this (except I do).

1/10/2008 10:22:23 PM

when people say hillary is weak for getting all emotional because of something relatively minor, and say that that might not be a good trait of someone to hold as powerful and demanding position as president of the us, do the people that defend her think its fine that someone seems to get emotional over something like that and could still stand firm under pressure, or are you just trying not to offend women or something?

1/11/2008 12:06:17 AM

We think people who already have a negative opinion of her are overreacting to this. She didn't even really cry. I never once saw a tear roll down her face. Her eyes got kind of wet and her voice was cracking a little bit but she was definitely not crying in the literal sense.

I think she's a serious and rational person and she would deal with any crisis in a pertinent manner. Let's not forget that when 9/11 happened Bush sat in that classroom for 8 minutes. I think the children would have forgave him for getting up and leaving. Personally, I think Hillary would not sit in a chair and look like a tard if she was put under pressure. I don't think a successful and experienced female would have any trouble handling herself in a crisis situation.

1/11/2008 12:15:15 AM

Feminists can't cry?

Interesting.

1/11/2008 12:30:27 AM

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"We think people who already have a negative opinion of her are overreacting to this"

i definitely agree with that, but comparing her getting sad about somebody making fun of her to bush getting sad about terrorists attacking our country and killing thousands is a ridiculous comparison

i'm not trying to be misogynistic or anything but there are obviously physical differences in males and females and i dont think her getting upset over something that trivial is something to just dismiss when whoever gets elected will face a lot more stress and pressure every day in office, especially IF the reason people are defending her is just to try and not offend women

i think a woman could certainly be suited to be president, but i dont think hillary is necessarily that type of woman if the emotion was real...but i think it was fake which just makes her another politician, another example of why i personally have chosen not to vote thus far in my life

1/11/2008 12:35:24 AM

I'm not a particularly huge fan of hers either. I don't think she'd necessarily be a bad president so much as she's not as electable as the others. But she's definitely catching flak from the same people who have been shooting it at her for everything else and it's simply becoming tiresome.

1/11/2008 12:40:20 AM

wouldnt you also agree though that simply because hillary has been in the national spotlight for 15 years, longer than any of the other candidates, that there has been a lot more news on her over the years, and ultimately more bad news on her, and therefore more dirt is out there on her than other candidates?

1/11/2008 12:42:17 AM

Sure. But most people don't reference that dirt. Most people simply attack her character or the assumption that she'll implement socialist policies. Like I said, I'm certainly no fan of hers, but I'll stand up and defend her against baseless attacks. She's really no different than any other politician but she seems to get a lot more grief than other people and it's probably because she's the first woman to legitimately be considered for President.

1/11/2008 12:51:03 AM

i dont think its just cause she might become the first woman president, although plenty of people are opposed to a woman president...i think a lot of it is still her past, including her husband...you can't blame her for everything bad bill clinton did, but she definitely wasnt in the dark about everything...combine that with general disagreement with policies and yeah maybe it seems like she gets more flack but like i said, she's been out there longer...in this day and age, the bigger you are, the longer you're out there in the public eye and media, the more scrutiny...and everybody has skeletons...she just happens to have more uncovered than all the other candidates...dont forget, clinton's approval ratings were pretty low when he left office and the simple fact that hillary was married to him is also bringing more critics than if she had a more bland and less publicized political past

with the added fame and recognition that hillary has over other candidates which is an advantage, she also gets the inherent disadvantage of the previous points

1/11/2008 12:58:54 AM

I'll accept the general concept you're coming across with. She's been around longer so more people have made a decision on her that won't change, basically. Personally, I wasn't that aware of politics in the 90s because I was like 12 or whatever so my opinion of her is based on fresh events compared to most people. It just seems like people treat her unfairly to me but I wasn't really paying attention to a lot of the events that people have used to base their opinions on her. It'd be kind of hard for me to go back and see what everyone doesn't like about her outside of the context of the 90s so I won't even try.

But I try to base my vote on policy and less on character. Character is important but if I think a huge douche would implement good policies then I would probably vote for him as long as the douchey qualities wouldn't lead to corruption or other bad decisions. It seems like people base 80% of their Hillary perception on character and 20% on policy which is something I just disagree with.

1/11/2008 1:09:26 AM