All you liberal hippies watch the debates tonight and learn something.

1/10/2008 7:24:27 PM

i've watched a good number already these past couple months

i learned that the party is looking for new direction even moreso than the democrats

1/10/2008 7:30:57 PM

there's only one correct answer though, in these times of troubles

Jesus

1/10/2008 7:35:23 PM

the difference in this debate and the democratic debate is pretty simple

every single republican candidate is a devout christian

every single democratic candidate is an atheist

1/10/2008 7:41:47 PM

But at least they're not devout atheists.

1/10/2008 7:50:19 PM

Their not athiests, they just don't have answers to alot of points.

1/10/2008 8:08:25 PM

they're not atheists. they just don't feel the need to wear their religion on their sleeves and be self-righteous about how virtuous they are

1/10/2008 8:14:57 PM

channel?

1/10/2008 8:27:53 PM

^^so i guess every time somebody sarcastically mentions jesus, they're also offending all the democrats

1/10/2008 8:49:10 PM

what?

1/10/2008 8:49:43 PM

reagan was 3 republicans ago...lets get a dem up in that bitch

1/10/2008 9:24:00 PM

what in the holy fuck


thompson where you been

1/10/2008 9:26:00 PM

Quote :

"they're not atheists. they just don't feel the need to wear their religion on their sleeves and be self-righteous about how virtuous they are"

Either that or they're too afraid that they'll lose the atheist vote if they mention their beliefs.

1/10/2008 9:51:15 PM

Thompson came out swinging tonight

Huckabee still is likeable

Rudy is Rudy, saw the first rudy tax cut commerical tonight

McCain, I dont know what it is but I cant stand him.

Mit isnt doing much in my opinion

The thing I hate most about this debate is how Ron Paul is treated. He makes some very interesting and refreshing points about how we play a role in alot of our troubles and he gets dismissed like a 10 year asking to drive the car. While I dont think Paul can win, but certainly if we can get people to acknowledge and discuss his views I think all the candidates woudl be better off.

1/10/2008 10:07:49 PM

I missed a lot. I have only two questions about the debates so far:

1) Has the hit piece on the Ron Paul newsletter containing racist remarks from the 80s and 90s and if so, who?

2) How many times has the word "change" been said?

1/10/2008 10:09:54 PM

^^ that's what happens when you deviate from the party script

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:11 PM. Reason : ron paul's problems]

1/10/2008 10:10:33 PM

Cat, no hit piece on paul mentioned

Only change being mentioned was mccain talking about iraq. Other than that havent heard it much. Even though Ive been listening for that(im a bit "changed" out between the two parties) and no 9/11 from rudy either yet.

1/10/2008 10:12:26 PM

haha, ok. They just asked Rudy about 9/11 and change. So we got a good dose of both there.

1/10/2008 10:16:38 PM

Paul is irritating the hell out of the others. Keeps reminding them what real conservativism looks like. If he would only go away...we could get back to neo-con nirvana

1/10/2008 10:22:27 PM

What was the channel and do you know where I can watch this on the internet?

1/10/2008 10:43:33 PM

^^ Completely agreed.

The GOP debates are a comedy of errors with Ron Paul involved. Years back, he'd have won the GOP nod in Iowa and New Hampshire with the exact same tack. Watching the Republican candidates distance themselves from the candidate with the broadest record of defending conservative principles like limited government and personal freedom still strikes me as surreal sometimes.

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM. Reason : ...]

1/10/2008 10:45:45 PM

LoL at Hannity comparing Paul to democrats.

1/10/2008 10:49:22 PM

It was on fox. They are doing a post debate wrap up so you might could see some clips now.

Im sure youtube will have some in the morning.

Thompson really helped himself tonight I think.

Huckabee did well. He addressed his background well and said he would never legislate his religion, but will continue without shame to practice it.(it was a good answer, and took away some reservations I had about him.)

I think Mitt didnt impress, it will be interesting to see how it plays in Michigan.

McCain, I dont think I can be objective on.

Paul continues to mention, what I think, to be good points. They just keep getting blown over and laughed at. In away it is sad to see how far the republicans have swayed from their roots. Paul gives us that contrast. Although, there is no way he can get elected. If someone more polished like Romney or Obama woudl run on pauls ideas it could work.

Rudy did well. Im not sure his strategy will work, but he didnt hurt himself tonight.

1/10/2008 10:50:16 PM

Ron Paul makes too much sense for Republicans to vote for him.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say Paul doesn't get the interview all the other candidates are getting.

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:58 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2008 10:52:08 PM

Like I give two shits about what a democrat thinks about the GOP primaries.

1/10/2008 11:03:41 PM

I don't have a TV to watch Fox News with :-(

i guess that makes me one of those poor people who get ignored in the debates

1/10/2008 11:19:13 PM

Why is the guy at The Citadel pushing Thompson so much?

1/10/2008 11:24:43 PM

They're replaying it if anyone wants to watch again.

1/11/2008 12:03:12 AM

what channel

1/11/2008 12:07:09 AM

fox ocho

1/11/2008 12:09:01 AM

FoxNews

1/11/2008 12:09:02 AM

FoxNews for repub primaries
MSNBC for dem primaries

if you dont have cable, you're too poor for either party for this part of the process but the final debates will be on network tv

1/11/2008 12:40:52 AM

i have satellite and therefore no fox news

1/11/2008 12:42:29 AM

really? surprised they wouldnt have a large news channel like that

btw ron paul has a hearing problem, but i figure thats a potential with almost any candidate

1/11/2008 12:43:30 AM

haha

on the subject of ron paul:

Quote :

"Asked about his viability, Paul took umbrage with a question about whether he is electable as the GOP nominee. “Are you suggesting the Republicans should write me off because I am a strict constitutionalist? I am the most conservative member here. I have voted, you know, against more spending and waste in government than anybody else,” he said. “You’re saying now that we have to continue borrowing more money from China to finance this empire we can’t afford. Let me see if I get this right. We need to borrow $10 billion from China, and then we give it to (Pakistani President Pervez) Musharraf, who is a military dictator who overthrew an elected government, and then we go to war, we lose all these lives, promoting democracy in Iraq. I mean what’s going on here? And you’re saying (I am) not appealing to Republicans?” Paul asked."

/debate

1/11/2008 1:04:09 AM

I just watched the reply at the library.

I sure stuck it to the man today, trying to keep my homeless ass from hearing the political messages

1/11/2008 1:49:41 AM

Thompson laid the smack down.

I'll be honest. I don't like Ron Paul. He just strikes me as an alarmist novelty act.

1/11/2008 4:00:36 PM

i think Paul is a little too jittery and jumpy for the mainstream public

like i've always said, issues aside, the way a candidate comes across on tv and when speaking in public is a huge factor in their chances to win

1/11/2008 4:01:46 PM

^ I get that impression too. He just doesn't look or sound very presidential by conventional measures. His ideas are certainly the most truly conservative out of the bunch, but Republicans don't want to give him a chance because he's too out there.

1/11/2008 4:35:21 PM

Quote :

"like i've always said, issues aside, the way a candidate comes across on tv and when speaking in public is a huge factor in their chances to win"

Well, as president the would be on TV and speaking in public quite a bit.

1/11/2008 4:45:23 PM

Quote :

"I'll be honest. I don't like Ron Paul. He just strikes me as an alarmist novelty act."

How about good old Thomas Jefferson? Radical Jacobian dreamer? Please, do be candid with us.

1/11/2008 6:07:29 PM

Wow. What an idiotic comparison.

1/11/2008 10:01:50 PM

Wow, what an idiotic non-response. How unsurprising that it should come from you.

1/11/2008 10:06:51 PM

I'll have a conversation with you, but you're not going to start an intelligent one with dumbshit comments. You can start by explaining how he isn't an alarmist novelty act.

1/11/2008 10:48:34 PM

I'm actually far more curious to see why you've come to the conclusion that he is. I don't find it wholly unreasonable that one should worry about the prospect of a (disastrous) conflict with Iran, given the course this current administration has been going, and his fellow candidates also endorse. Or the issue of the erosion of our civil liberties, something which is fairly well-documented. Or the staggering rise of the national debt and the size and scope of federal spending.

More importantly, what he has not done is scream "Terrorism terrorism!" and crow about some ill-defined, nebulous threat in order to scare up support, unlike certain other candidates, without which they probably even wouldn't be sharing a stage. He also doesn't trivialize issues by belittling others, which from what I recall in this last debate, was done by none other than Messrs. McCain, Thompson, and Guiliani.

So, based on what in particular do you write him off as "an alarmist novelty act?"

1/11/2008 10:59:41 PM

Look at everything that you just said; you're citing things that he isn't, and that's exactly how he is being marketed. That's what makes him a novelty act. There are a good number of disenchanted conservatives who are excited by the notion of an apparent radical who promises the moon.

I call him alarmist because whenever he presents a position he frames it in an alarmist context and claims that if things aren't done his way America will fall, regardless of the obvious flaws of his half-baked solutions.

Personally I wish that there were more constitutionalists in modern politics, however I just don't care for Ron Paul.

1/11/2008 11:50:34 PM

The media is what makes him seem like a novelty act and "that guy that is way out there" and "not a normal republican". Its hard to explain his views in short 30-sec clips. The media is who markets the candidates!!!

It seems like when i see Ron Paul speak he oftens come from the point of "I AM a fiscal conservative", "I AM a strict constitutionalist" etc. Those are the things he IS and he stands on them (which is so refreshing compared to the average politician that is just saying what needs to be said).

I do think that he may be an alarmist sometimes. He could possibly be more effective if he came from the point of view of "this is how america was meant to be (the Constitution), we could be great like our forefathers imagined us, etc" Because i think the average american was taught that the constitution should be the final authority on federal government (duh).

[Edited on January 12, 2008 at 12:18 AM. Reason : !!!]

1/12/2008 12:17:28 AM

Quote :

"Look at everything that you just said; you're citing things that he isn't, and that's exactly how he is being marketed. That's what makes him a novelty act. There are a good number of disenchanted conservatives who are excited by the notion of an apparent radical who promises the moon."

I'm really not quite sure I follow your meaning in the first sentence. Could you clarify?

1/12/2008 12:21:03 AM

Quote :

"The media is what makes him seem like a novelty act and "that guy that is way out there" and "not a normal republican". Its hard to explain his views in short 30-sec clips. The media is who markets the candidates!!!"

I call it Howard-Dean Syndrome.

1/12/2008 12:44:27 AM

I was very disappointed by the debates last night. If FOX News had wanted to hold a John McCain Press Conference then thats what they should have called it. Instead, half of the candidates standing on the stage were completely disrespected by the moderators.

For instance, McCain was allowed to go on past his bell countless times and then when the question has been answered by everyone but Dr. Ron Paul all of a sudden the moderator changed the question regarding foreign policy that all the candidates had been discussing for the past 20 minutes to something completely unrelated like, "Do you want your supporters to adopt your opinion regarding the reasons for the 9/11 attacks?" So that Dr. Paul couldn't join the discussion.

Even more annoying, is that after nearly every candidate spoke the moderators gave McCain a chance to respond but rarely the others. One blogger summed it up correctly, "It seems McCain was given 4 questions to answer for every 1 question the rest of the candidates were given; and McCain was able to reply nearly 6 times as often as any other candidate."

Disregarding any bias for a single candidate FOX news was belligerent and disrespectful to every man standing up there (excluding McCain) PARTICULARLY Dr. Ron Paul. To an unsavy bystander, it may appear as though McCain dominated based on expertise and ability when in reality the entire thing was a horrid mess.

Most of those so called Republicans on the stage were a disgrace to traditional conservativism. They have dangerous egos-- Dr. Ron Paul is right, they will tank our economy with tax cuts AND continued big spending. You cant have one without the other.

Its what I should have expected, unfortunately. This country is in trouble

[Edited on January 12, 2008 at 1:46 AM. Reason : spelling]

1/12/2008 1:44:18 AM