lets not dwell on that last play, you don't lose games on one play. Javi did not cost us this game. In fact, Javi was exactly what we needed him to be tonight and was the only brightspot outside of fells (and bens greatest pass of all time)

Javi is starting to come around and if tonight is a sign of things to come we will be fine. He was finally a dual threat and only had 1 turnover.

If you want to point fingers head over to the costner thread.

1/23/2008 10:08:51 PM

javi holds the damn ball way too long.

1/23/2008 10:09:35 PM

I can agree with that.

disappointing loss, but shit happens.

1/23/2008 10:10:03 PM

what a fucking stupid thread.

ibtbd

1/23/2008 10:10:19 PM

thanks Earl

go back and draw up a play and make a ms paint sketch of it

1/23/2008 10:10:22 PM

^^^^ Better than not holding the ball and turning it over constantly. But yes, he does hold the ball too long.

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM. Reason : adsf]

1/23/2008 10:12:01 PM

I'd say the worst thing to happen tonight was that alleyoop. Will make sportscenter and show us in bad light on more bs.

1/23/2008 10:14:16 PM

once they get the jaws of life to pry his fingers from around his own neck, maybe he will be ok


say what you will about the rest of his game tonight, but that last shot was one of the worst chokes i have ever seen

1/23/2008 10:17:08 PM

thank you, that was pretty embarassing

1/23/2008 10:17:47 PM

he can't shoot a 3 to save his life. His form is god awful and he got lucky that he made that one. Hell, he missed an open layup and wasn't even close.

1/23/2008 10:20:06 PM

just to make everyone feel better

everyone on the team is going to college for free

enjoy your student loans!

1/23/2008 10:21:36 PM

Javi, for most of the game I was like

But that last shot I was all

And then I was

Now I'm

1/23/2008 10:24:30 PM

1/23/2008 10:28:54 PM

now im like

that last 2:00 made me upset

yes, gt hit every foul shot under pressure, exactly what you would expect from a team playing a road game with the worst record out of 11 teams.

1/23/2008 10:30:16 PM

that dude on Lil Wayne's team looks like Javi

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFpCJIb6_ng

1/23/2008 10:31:11 PM

oh, and btw, that continuation was bullshit, no way was hickson off the floor.

we should have lost by 5+

1/23/2008 10:33:31 PM

the gt guy dunked it off of 3 steps so back to down by 3


with the shitty calls state has gotten over the years, we deserve a couple breaks

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 10:37 PM. Reason : ^and hickson would have been shooting free throws]

1/23/2008 10:36:40 PM

i'm more comfortable with javi in than marques right now, if that means anything.

1/23/2008 10:50:22 PM

i'm not gonna sell myself on one or the other too quickly. from our qb situation the last few years, i am too used to a player having a great, or even decent, game and then becoming our darling despite having multiple interceptions in every game after that.

javi gets a B- for tonight

1/23/2008 10:52:34 PM

I didn't really expect a freshman scurred point guard to hit a buzzer beater at the end, he'll keep improving slowly, but Degand was already getting there before he went out, that was pretty bad loss.

Atsur had a lot of buzzer beater choked 3s back in his day too, not that Javi and Engin are similar in any way other than that.

Javi is much scrappier on defense, he gets a lot of steals and gets in the passing lanes and his 3 ball is getting better, Marques is mediocre in all aspects. He can't shoot and he knows it, and that's why he's always getting huge open looks with no defender that he still won't take.

1/23/2008 10:56:13 PM

Quote :

"I didn't really expect a freshman scurred point guard to hit a buzzer beater at the end, "

c'mon man, nobody EXPECTED him to hit it, but they def didnt expect him to miss it 5 fucking feet. the thing almost went into the stands. an acc pg should never miss an open 3 that badly. that is a choke job.

1/23/2008 10:58:44 PM

all that confidence he built up.........gone

1/23/2008 11:04:55 PM

haha

pooor pooor javi

1/23/2008 11:10:07 PM

IT WASN'T MEANT FOR HIM TO TAKE THAT SHOT...HE DIDN'T GO TO THE OTHER END AT FIRST TO INBOUND THE BALL FOR A REASON

1/23/2008 11:13:17 PM

It was meant for javi to take the shot. Sid said they knew he'd get an open look because they had been playing him soft outside.

1/23/2008 11:17:16 PM

Javi reminds me of Daniel Larusso aka Daniel-san.

soon he will learn.



[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM. Reason : t]

1/23/2008 11:19:25 PM

yeah, after they put MJ back in the 2nd half for a minute or so, the guy next to me turned and said: "wtf we need to get javi back in the game".....


and I was like... whoa..... i agree.... wtf....

1/24/2008 12:01:57 AM

for those wondering about the last play...

Quote :

"According to Gonzalez and Sidney Lowe, Fells was supposed to bring the ball up and dribble through a screen from Gonzalez for the jumper. But Fells thought Gonzalez was supposed to take the inbounds while he set up the screen and then took the pass from Gonzalez. What actually happened was neither, and the final result was an airball."

1/24/2008 12:33:26 AM

haha sweet

1/24/2008 12:36:23 AM

Quote :

"i'm more comfortable with javi in than marques right now, if that means anything."

I really don't see how he played so good tonight....He made a 3 and 2 wide open layups. Marques made a few shots as well but still isn't looking to shoot. Javi still dribbles around nearly getting called for 5 seconds and looks lost out there. His defense is what is so bad, Causey scored on him at will beating him on the dribble. It seemed to me like we were in control of the game when Johnson was in and then Javi would come in and we would lose the lead and they would take over. Am I the only one seeing this?

1/24/2008 12:52:07 AM

wow, i thought the title of this thread was javi's imprisonment.

1/24/2008 12:52:54 AM

^^yes

1/24/2008 1:40:48 AM

i like javi... but he is/will never be a guilerrmo diaz like we need him to be.

1/24/2008 1:44:14 AM

i think the problem is when he picks up the dribble 50 ft away form the basket...then its mayhem

1/24/2008 6:42:32 AM

Quote :

"His defense is what is so bad, Causey scored on him at will beating him on the dribble."

javi is easily the second best defender on the team behind fells.

You can hate on his ugly shot, his lack of decisiveness in the backcourt, his sometimes boneheaded passes out of bounds, but not his defense.

1/24/2008 9:03:09 AM

^ i agree. i thought he did a damn good job defending. he got bumped off on a couple screens and causey had a good game, but not because of javi. javi is a pretty decent defender.

1/24/2008 9:06:50 AM

im with FatTony on this one.

and i support this thread, i hated javi more than anyone through most of this season, but he's shown a lot of improvement, especially last night (minus one of the worst last-second shots ive ever seen).

1/24/2008 10:35:56 AM

Last play was like Whittenberg to Charles minus Charles

1/24/2008 10:38:21 AM

If Charles was there, it would have gone under his feet.

1/24/2008 10:53:21 AM

yea, we really need to give him credit for a much improved performance on his part. some confidence driving to the basket, etc. just forget about that last shot

1/24/2008 10:54:16 AM

Quote :

"i'm more comfortable with javi in than marques right now, if that means anything." "

i am too. i think marques looks more "deer in headlights" than javi does at this point in time.
marques' three point form is waaaay worse than Javi.

Quote :

"I really don't see how he played so good tonight....He made a 3 and 2 wide open layups. Marques made a few shots as well but still isn't looking to shoot. Javi still dribbles around nearly getting called for 5 seconds and looks lost out there. His defense is what is so bad, Causey scored on him at will beating him on the dribble. It seemed to me like we were in control of the game when Johnson was in and then Javi would come in and we would lose the lead and they would take over. Am I the only one seeing this?"

There is a reason marques isnt looking to shoot. he really cant. yes, javi does dribble around too much but thats not all his fault. the other players on the floor have to learn to move without the ball.

i think javi is doing the best he can on defense. again, the kid is a freshman that was supposed to sit this year and learn. he wasnt brought here to play starting PG.
to me, we were more in control of the game when Javi was in and johnson was out. esp. the way javi finished up the first half.

and give lots of credit to causey. IMO he is the reason tech won the game. Causey stayed step for step w/ Lawson during the UNC game. I would love to have that kid on our time. kid beasted us last night

1/24/2008 11:18:37 AM

^ i couldn't agree more about causey. he's the reason they beat us, and one of the main reasons they almost beat unc.

1/24/2008 11:33:41 AM

I don't know, I still see him as a liability. Pretty much, he was so awful before that he looked halfway decent last night. He can't shoot, he picks up his dribble as soon as he gets pressured, and he's not tall enough to make up for his lack of athletic ability. Ususally those short PGs play killer defense and hit open jumpers. He can't do either.

1/24/2008 11:37:34 AM

except play defense.

1/24/2008 11:39:58 AM

Causey fucking owned him last night

1/24/2008 11:44:25 AM

that doesn't mean he can't play defense at all.

causey owned our whole team last night. there was no help, javi got screened the whole time, and causey is quick as hell. i'm not making excuses for javi, but i thought he did a damn good job.

1/24/2008 11:46:26 AM

javi improved a lot in this game but i could help noticing that JJ was helping him out in sticky situations

1/24/2008 11:47:45 AM

I have this game DVR'ed. I am going to go back and watch it but it seemed to me that Javi lost his man a lot on defense and that Causey scored at will on him. I really don't see how he is a good defensive player. Hell nobody on this team is a good defensive player.

1/24/2008 11:50:56 AM

well i thought he did a good job defending. yes, he lost causey at times, but it seemed like javi was being screened and double screened all night and defensive help was slow.

1/24/2008 11:53:12 AM

Set 'em up

1/25/2008 10:38:26 AM