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deerpark101
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one time front-runner leading in California + NY + Florida,

now,


an after thought and trailing everywhere.

What happened?!

1/24/2008 10:26:22 AM

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He thought he was special and could skip the first several primaries.

1/24/2008 10:28:16 AM

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Yeah, kind of like the Fred Thompson strategy.

You don't win the primaries by not campaigning until the last minute. Didn't anyone read "The Tortoise and the Hare" when they were a kid?

1/24/2008 10:32:01 AM

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"None of this worries me.... September 11th, there were times I was worried"

1/24/2008 10:53:50 AM

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"Where did Rudy F*** up?"


everywhere. from his one trick pony approach to his skipping the primaries. Is there anywhere he didn't fuck up?

1/24/2008 10:57:11 AM

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he skipped the first primaries which essentially eliminated his name from the media for the past month. people just forgot about him.

1/24/2008 10:57:37 AM

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I'm going to say somewhere early in his mayoral tenure.

1/24/2008 10:58:06 AM

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regardless of where or how, I'm just relieved he did.

1/24/2008 10:58:47 AM

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1/24/2008 11:02:35 AM

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He fucked up by being a yankee and trying to run as a Republican.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:16 AM. Reason : Yes, I appreciate the historical irony of that statement.]

1/24/2008 11:15:59 AM

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"he skipped the first primaries which essentially eliminated his name from the media for the past month. people just forgot about him."


Sadly this must be the case. He fell off TV and then shortly thereafter fell off anything else. He had Fox News in his pocket a few months ago.

1/24/2008 1:26:35 PM

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sadly?

1/24/2008 1:34:03 PM

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He fucked up by being a Yankees fan and rooting for the Red Sox. Seriously, who the fuck does that?

Go Sox.

1/24/2008 3:23:05 PM

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who the fuck watches baseball

im joking

seriously though, he should have campaigned in the early states, he bet it all on Florida and it looks like it isnt going to work

1/24/2008 3:49:16 PM

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Sadly this must be the case. He fell off TV and then shortly thereafter fell off anything else. He had Fox News in his pocket a few months ago."

yeah seriously, how is this sad?

By Rudy getting crushed is, the US is dodging a huge bullet. That guy would have been a complete disaster

1/24/2008 3:51:27 PM

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okay... here's the strategy:

we lose the first six or seven states miserably...

we'll do so bad that even Ron Paul looks viable...

then, once everyone has forgotten that I'm even running for president, we'll do a sneak attack and out-flank the whole lot of them...

and coast right on into the White House.





Gee, sir. That's brilliant. Utterly brilliant!





You think so? I thought it up while laying awake in bed last night.

"

1/24/2008 4:13:52 PM

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lion, why do you feel that way?

I think having some executive experience is a plus for this election cycle. I like the fact that he is more fiscally conservative than social, and seems to pull the party back towards fiscal and away from the religious.

Did I mention 9/11. hahah, kidding.

1/24/2008 4:16:06 PM

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Maybe he's just banking on a huge terrorist attack between now and the election.

1/24/2008 4:17:16 PM

hooksaw
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Giuliani made a strategic campaign decision to focus limited resources on Florida. It's really quite simple.

1/24/2008 4:18:24 PM

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"I think having some executive experience is a plus for this election cycle. I like the fact that he is more fiscally conservative than social, and seems to pull the party back towards fiscal and away from the religious."

1/24/2008 4:22:03 PM

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"Giuliani made a strategic campaign decision to focus limited resources on Florida. It's really quite simple."

1/24/2008 4:22:54 PM

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^^^^^have you not heard about some of the ethically/morally/legally questionable (at best) things he did while mayor?

not to mention the Bushesqe warmongering.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 4:23 PM. Reason : ^]

1/24/2008 4:22:58 PM

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i think his biggest mistake was running in the first place

1/24/2008 4:23:50 PM

wlb420
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http://tinyurl.com/ypd2vb

this alone is more than enough reason to not want him in the white house.

1/24/2008 4:26:13 PM

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"have you not heard about some of the ethically/morally/legally questionable (at best) things he did while mayor?"


plz 2 list.

Unless he was eating babies I think his accomplishments far outweigh people bitching about him cheating on his ex wife.

1/24/2008 4:29:59 PM

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"lion, why do you feel that way?"

mostly because I think the guy's a war-hawk and I think he would continue the doctrine of preemptive strikes throughout the world at an even greater pace than Bush started.

Plus, by continuing to doggedly pursue his original campaign strategy (playing on the terror and fear of 9/11) for months and months after it was clear that people were not being moved by it, he is showing a clear lack of judgment and inability to read people's feelings. Seriously, what kind of douchebag loses and election and comes back with "Am I worried? I'll tell you when I was worried. On [you fill in the blank]" His whole campaign is based on the presumption that Americans are and should be scared shitless, living in a constant state of fear of death. Being defensive and stalwart is one thing. Being a warmongering FUD-spreader is another, and I don't want that in a president.

1/24/2008 4:35:01 PM

agentlion
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try this:
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"people bitching about him cheating on his ex wife while using city money and resources (police officers) to fund and hide his affair"


also, it's not hard to find the NY City Fire Fighters and Police Officers who decry his lack of planning, management and oversight before 9/11, regardless of how strong or comforting he was in the days after it.

1/24/2008 4:40:20 PM

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"plz 2 list.

Unless he was eating babies I think his accomplishments far outweigh people bitching about him cheating on his ex wife."


who cares about him cheating on his wife or dressing in drag?

i'm talking about blackballing/strong arming people who spoke of his admin in a negative light

http://tinyurl.com/ytfm2e

or how about destroying/preventing access to documents that are supposed to be public?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071221/giuliani-secrecy/

not a religious political figure, huh?

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"when Giuliani sought to shut the Brooklyn Museum of Art because the mayor considered a painting sacrilegious."


how about appointing a friend who just happened to be a crook to his office?

http://tinyurl.com/389nn3

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 4:49:21 PM

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lion, I dont think you will see anyone rush into a war unless attacked. One reason is we cant afford it right now. You will see whoever wins start pulling out of iraq, bc its actually getting better. Want proof? Just watch tv, its doom and gloom on the economy NO mention of the war anymore. haha

I actually am hoping Rudy can win florida to continue his run. He is also proposing a tax decrease as well. I would like to see Romney and Rudy be the final two and watch some debates between them before I make my pick.

His strategy does seem to be a failure at this point, but if he pulls it out it might be genius.

1/24/2008 4:51:10 PM

DaBird
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VP run in '08

focused run for top job next republican primary.

1/24/2008 4:53:53 PM

LunaK
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"He is also proposing a tax decrease as well. "


I'm sorry but I understand that we need a little bit of stimulus in the economy, that's why we're getting the rebates, but more tax cuts? Seriously? How about some fucking spending cuts. Guaran-damn-tee that they're not as vocal about some serious spending cutbacks.

1/24/2008 4:55:11 PM

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^^^^ You mean The Holy Virgin Mary by Chris Ofili that is spattered with elephant dung?



[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 4:59 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 4:58:54 PM

agentlion
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^ i don't know if that's what he was referring to, but if so, so what if it is that painting?

1/24/2008 5:04:03 PM

eyedrb
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lunak, he cut spending in NYC and cut taxes which can lead to increased revenues.

Im sure he going to cut spending. If cutting spending is an important issue for you, are you going to vote democrat?

1/24/2008 5:04:42 PM

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1/24/2008 5:05:08 PM

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"I actually am hoping Rudy can win florida to continue his run. He is also proposing a tax decrease as well. I would like to see Romney and Rudy be the final two and watch some debates between them before I make my pick."


You realize that his immigration plan is nearly identical to McCain's don't you? Did you finally stop hating Mexicans or something?

1/24/2008 5:07:03 PM

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I am voting democrat, although I haven't decided whom I'm going to vote for.

My problem with the republicans is the fact that they spout fiscal conservatism and then they don't come through. I'd be incredibly impressed if any of the republicans actually get into office and do cut spending.

I'd like to think that the Dems are going to cut spending as well, but they're also not talking about tax cuts.

1/24/2008 5:08:09 PM

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"Where did Rudy F*** up?"


when the common sense of america woke up

1/24/2008 5:09:47 PM

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And Wyoming.

1/24/2008 5:12:58 PM

GrumpyGOP
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I actually had Wyoming in the original version, but it seemed like one too many states for the list, and nobody gives a fuck about Wyoming.

1/24/2008 5:15:23 PM

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Being a democrat while running as a Republican...

1/24/2008 5:52:27 PM

eyedrb
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"You realize that his immigration plan is nearly identical to McCain's don't you? Did you finally stop hating Mexicans or something?
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You must be a democrat jo.

Rudy's plan:
1.Bring Order To The Border: Congress authorized the construction of 700 miles of border fence in 2006 and then appropriated over $1.1 billion for border security. However, Washington has only built a few dozen miles of fence. Rudy will commit to building the fence – both physical and high-tech – now, while deploying and maintaining 20,000 Border Patrol agents and measuring their progress toward ending illegal immigration

2.Deport All Illegal Aliens Who Commit A Felony

3.Implement BorderStat: use key indicators to identify both effective enforcement strategies that demonstrate tangible results and areas of the border where we are failing so the failures can be immediately corrected

4.Issue A Single, Tamper-Proof Biometric ID Card for all non-citizen workers and students

5.Create A Single National Database Of Foreigners

6.Identify Those Who Have Left The Country With Biometric Check-out System

7.Require All Immigrants to Truly Read, Write & Speak English


McCains Plan?
Here is CNN's take: http://youtube.com/watch?v=WCHVXzBo3qg

HAHA, yeah no difference. Oh and Obama supported it.


Ive also said I dont know who I would vote for, but I dont remember Rudy trying to sneak through an amnesty bill a couple months prior. Id like for Rudy to continue with the debates and he needs to win florida for that to happen.

1/24/2008 7:23:04 PM

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"Require All Immigrants to Truly Read, Write & Speak English "


why? most of the redneck biblethumpers out there can't read or write.

1/24/2008 7:37:44 PM

eyedrb
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^LOL, and you call me racist.

Would you agree that the better you are able to communicate in society the greater chance you have at being productive/successful?

1/24/2008 9:14:07 PM

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"1.Bring Order To The Border:"


Expensive, futile, and pointless.

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"2.Deport All Illegal Aliens Who Commit A Felony "


Well, I'm down with this, more for the felony part than the alien part.

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"4.Issue A Single, Tamper-Proof Biometric ID Card for all non-citizen workers and students"


Nothing is tamper-proof (at least, nothing stays that way long) and biometrics are about the line where I start to get concerned about invasion of privacy issues. And I'm in favor of a national ID card, which many people are already concerned violates those rights.

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"5.Create A Single National Database Of Foreigners "


Patently offensive, frighteningly reminiscient of the worst dictators and murderers in history, and impractical to implement, which is good, given how unspeakably horrible it would be if we could actually do it.

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"6.Identify Those Who Have Left The Country With Biometric Check-out System"


1984

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"7.Require All Immigrants to Truly Read, Write & Speak English"


There are native-born Americans, people who were taught by our education system, who cannot read and write English. Maybe we should worry about taking care of our own kids before we start looking for reasons to throw out Mexicans?

1/24/2008 10:08:14 PM

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I swear, I just don't understand where this crazy anti-Mexican boner comes from.

The best is when they want to build a fucking fence across the Mexican border--you know, to keep the terrorists out--but inexplicably don't push for a similar fence along the Canadian border.

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 4:38 AM. Reason : Re: OP: everywhere. from his one trick pony approach to his skipping the primaries.]

1/25/2008 4:37:19 AM

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^good idea. We need to stop the flow of 11 million uneducated canadians flooding into the US and bankrupting us. LOL.


Anyway, back to rudy. I thought he did very well last night. As did Romney, Huck, and McCain. I dont think Rudy is going to win Florida though. Romney seems to be picking up strength.

1/25/2008 8:04:48 AM

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"Rudy's plan:
1.Bring Order To The Border: Congress authorized the construction of 700 miles of border fence in 2006 and then appropriated over $1.1 billion for border security. However, Washington has only built a few dozen miles of fence. Rudy will commit to building the fence – both physical and high-tech – now, while deploying and maintaining 20,000 Border Patrol agents and measuring their progress toward ending illegal immigration

2.Deport All Illegal Aliens Who Commit A Felony

3.Implement BorderStat: use key indicators to identify both effective enforcement strategies that demonstrate tangible results and areas of the border where we are failing so the failures can be immediately corrected

4.Issue A Single, Tamper-Proof Biometric ID Card for all non-citizen workers and students

5.Create A Single National Database Of Foreigners

6.Identify Those Who Have Left The Country With Biometric Check-out System

7.Require All Immigrants to Truly Read, Write & Speak English "


I stand corrected. My take on the plans came from the new hampshire debate where they seemingly agreed on everything except for the biometric ID. Nevertheless, this post is a fantastic example of where Guiliani fucked up.

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"^good idea. We need to stop the flow of 11 million uneducated canadians flooding into the US and bankrupting us. "


Well, at least you admit it's not really about stopping the terrorist but it is about keeping poor Mexicans from TEKKING ARRR JOOOOBBBSSS!!!


PS. I'm not a democrat,but I'm also not a fear mongering, brown people hating, neocon.



[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 8:54 AM. Reason : d]

1/25/2008 8:52:00 AM

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He first fucked up by believing that continuously bringing up 9/11 could let him get away with anything he wanted. The rest is just a mixture of idiocy and carelessness.

1/25/2008 9:15:47 AM

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"it is about keeping poor Mexicans from TEKKING ARRR JOOOOBBBSSS"


For most Americans, it's not about "jooobs"

What do you tell the Mexicans and all other immigrants who are following our rules and waiting their turn to come to the US?
What do you say to them while they watch millions of people break our law and sneak in ahead of them...and then nothing is done about it?

Either have an immigration policy and enforce it aggressively, or don't have one at all.

But what kind of message are we sending citizens when 11 million newcomers' first relationship with our country is to violate its law and get away with it?

1/25/2008 10:30:15 AM

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