http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/23/wafghan223.xml
We own this fucking country. How can we let this happen in an American colony?

1/24/2008 1:35:16 PM

american colony? wtf are you talking about

1/24/2008 1:37:57 PM

the guy was a pretty big idiot for insulting islam when he knows how hardline they are about that. Kinda like how in reality having a lb of marijuana really is not that big of a deal but having such quantity of a naturally growing plant will land me in jail for 20 years.

1/24/2008 1:48:55 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we eliminated the previous government, replaced it with our own, provided for their entire budget and provided the majority of their policing force? To me that sounds like we own the country. If after all this we don't have enough influence to prevent blatant human rights violations, I think there's been a significant failure.

^Yes, but this isn't some country like Iran where we have no influence. The only reason this Afghani government has any power in the first place is because we allow it to. American taxpayers will sponsor this execution.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 1:52:29 PM

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"replaced it with our own"

its not an American government if thats what you're implying

but getting a more stable government in Afghanistan than the Taliban still isn't gonna prevent crazy ass Muslims from doing crazy ass Muslim shit

look here...from a week ago...crazy ass Taliban motherfuckers http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080120/wl_asia_afp/afghanistanunrest

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"If after all this we don't have enough influence to prevent blatant human rights violations, I think there's been a significant failure."

there are blatant human rights violations in the united states, what type of impossible perfect society are you hoping for in afghanistan?

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 1:54:56 PM

Even the Israelites had to get permission from the Romans to execute religious dissenters. I'd like to think we hold ourselves to a slightly higher moral standard than the Romans.

1/24/2008 1:59:08 PM

I agree with TreeTwista10 here. From a foreign policy standpoint this is actually good for the US as it shows that we are not just meddling in the MidEast setting up puppet governments.

The gov't running Afghanistan should reflect and be supported by the people of that country. If those people want to sit around and tolerate/support a gov't that executes people that insult Islam then that is their own deal.

Until the last few centuries predominantly Christian nations were not much better.

1/24/2008 2:00:30 PM

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"I'd like to think we hold ourselves to a slightly higher moral standard than the Romans."

we? afghanistan is not we

you're acting like Afghanistan is 100% under control of the United States and we have put in place all of our own policies and cultures

they're a sovereign nation...how is this a bad reflection on the US? how is it a reflection on the US at all??

btw this is a really neat site http://globalincidentmap.com/home.php

as you can see, crazy shit like this happens all over the world all the time

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 2:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 2:01:27 PM

I don't care what the people there want. I paid big bucks to take possession of that shitty country and I expect results in the forms of cheap oil and enforcing human decency. I think the average pro-war American has similar expectations.

As for the rest of the world, they already hate us thanks to this foreign policy and will continue to hate us until we're completely gone, so fuck 'em.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 2:05:29 PM

you paid "big bucks" to get the taliban out of power and in effect put a monkey wrench in al queda's main base of operations

hey there were some shots fired last night after a high school football game here in charlotte, wheres the outrage that WE could "allow" something like that to happen on our own soil?

1/24/2008 2:07:50 PM

There's a difference between crime and state-sponsored violence. Try again.

1/24/2008 2:10:48 PM

theres a difference between The United States and Afghanistan

try this thread again

1/24/2008 2:15:59 PM

this is the only thread TreeTwista10 has ever won

1/24/2008 2:18:34 PM

We have to throw him a bone every now and then.

1/24/2008 2:22:28 PM

fuck off idiots

1/24/2008 2:37:52 PM

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"I don't care what the people there want. I paid big bucks to take possession of that shitty country and I expect results in the forms of cheap oil and enforcing human decency. I think the average pro-war American has similar expectations. As for the rest of the world, they already hate us thanks to this foreign policy and will continue to hate us until we're completely gone, so fuck 'em."

no we paid big bucks to oust a radical islamic regime that was harboring and supporting the terrorists who were responsible for 9/11. With the taliban out we hoped to allow the people's of Afghanistan to elect a new gov't that would provide more stability and more respectful of human rights.

I have always found a sense of irony in the term "pro-war" btw. What does it mean to be "pro-war" does this mean you like killing people and conquering land just for the sake of raging war. I think Ghangis Khan was "pro-war". When you are "pro-war" do you fight for a purpose or just the thrill. I guess it is kinda like when i want to play halo and kill people online; except when you are "pro-war" you just want to mobilze real life forces to wage war and play empire.

Without the sarcasm I doubt many soldiers or even high up politicians are "pro-war". They may be "pro Iraq", "pro neo-imperalism", "pro strong defense" but I am sure anyone that has to fight on the front lines or is responsible for making such decisions enjoy war in effect to being "pro" to warfare.

smc has to be trolling

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 3:09 PM. Reason : aa]

1/24/2008 3:08:51 PM

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"I paid big bucks to take possession of that shitty country and I expect results in the forms of cheap oil and enforcing human decency."

Afghanistan produces extremely little oil.

1/24/2008 3:09:38 PM

lol yeah about the only thing Afghanistan produces is terrorists and opium

1/24/2008 3:10:38 PM

I don't know what each person's motivation is, but I know a large majority of Americans were "for the war" a few years ago. I assume they expected we'd get something out of it, like an investment, be it world security, oil, general sense of well being, yada yada yada. I think it's fair to call anyone who was "for the war", including anyone that voted "for the war", pro-war. Don't get hung up on some "support the troops" semantics bullshit.

^The land is invaluable for oil pipelines.

Oh and of course I'm trolling, that's the only reason I've ever posted on TWW. I enjoy arguing. I don't really care about any of this shit. I'll also take debating tips. For instance, where did I go wrong in this argument?



[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 3:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 3:15:09 PM

where did you go wrong? calling Afghanistan an "American colony" didn't really help your cause

1/24/2008 3:23:27 PM

see there is a difference between "for the war" which means Iraq and someone who is "pro-war".

1/24/2008 3:24:55 PM

I think I overestimated the imperialistic views of my audience. I can totally see some average joes standing around drinking beer going for it though.

^^You surprised me in particular. Aren't you a staunch republican? I thought you would be eating this "enforcing liberty on the world" shit up with a spoon.


[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 3:26:32 PM

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"Aren't you a staunch republican?"

no but apparently just cause i dont bash Bush and the Iraq War every single possible chance I get, i get labelled as a neocon christian conservative cause clearly if you dont hate Bush and Iraq, you love them more than anything, and even though I'm agnostic I must be a bible thumping christian cause i mean those are the only choices

1/24/2008 3:35:59 PM

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"The land is invaluable for oil pipelines."

Then why hasn't anyone even planned on building a pipeline in the nearly 7 years since the fall of the Taliban? The Taliban wanted the Unocal pipeline built in the 1990s as it would have been a great source of revenue for them. It would have been more practical to build one prior to 9/11 when there was some semblance of stability in the country.

You're preaching a stupid conspiracy theory.

1/24/2008 4:05:06 PM

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"Aren't you a staunch republican? I thought you would be eating this "enforcing liberty on the world" shit up with a spoon."

why does being a republican mean you must be a tool for whatever bullshit rhetoric your leaders spew out. I do not see why a staunch christian conservative could not be socially conservative, free market capitalist, traditional values, support Bush's tax cuts, fly their USA #1 flags, yet be angry about the debacle aka Iraq

1/24/2008 4:48:01 PM

I'm not angry about Iraq because I simply don't care enough about Iraq...is the Iraq War doing much to affect my ability to get up and go to work in the morning, work all day, get home, take a shit, play some 360, get some dinner, go home, go to sleep? No so I don't let that of all things stress me out. My job and bills and women and shit give me plenty of stress as it is

1/24/2008 4:50:04 PM