God Damn America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo

Obama's Pastor Jeremiah Wright of Trinity Church "New Video"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

3/16/2008 2:25:36 PM

this stuff almost seems applicable to the thread: "obama's pastor"

naaaaaaaaahhhhhh

3/16/2008 2:29:43 PM

good thing i couldnt turn on any cable news station and see the same thing 100x each hour.

3/16/2008 4:08:26 PM

[old]

But, on a seperate note, it's too bad this couldn't have broke closer to a major primary.

3/16/2008 4:26:23 PM

So this guy makes fun of bill clinton, and condemns black people for hating on blacks that hate on other blacks for being "too white," but somehow the right doesn't like him.

Clearly the guy is a leftist, but the only thing strange about those videos is that people aren't used to seeing that type of delivery.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 12:50 AM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 12:49:40 AM

^

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"Clearly the guy is a leftist [black separatist], but the only thing strange about those videos is that people aren't used to seeing that type of delivery."

Fixed.

3/17/2008 12:56:38 AM

^ Do you actually know any black people? He's clearly not a black separatist.

3/17/2008 12:58:26 AM

^ Um. . .I don't know any people like the "Reverend." But, yeah, every church gives "lifetime achievement" awards to the likes of Louis Farrakhan--a known black separatist, bigot, and anti-Semite.

But keep up your defensive contortions. They're providing a great source of amusement.

3/17/2008 1:39:41 AM

^ so is the nobel prize committee anti-semitic for giving arafat a peace prize too?

You have yet to provide a single separatist comment, and are jumping to conclusions about their beliefs based on specious reasoning. As much as you get called out for this, i'd think you'd have learned your lesson by now.

3/17/2008 11:50:38 AM

I don't have a problem with Wright saying what he said - lots of people feel the exact same way, whether they say it out loud or not. It just isn't PC.

Wright is a smart guy, he wouldn't have said that shit on camera if he knew Obama was going to run for fucking president of the fucking united states of fucking america

3/17/2008 12:09:48 PM

Uh, Wright denied being a black separatist or supremacist when speaking on Hannity and Colmes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8YmQUqj15g&feature=related

3/17/2008 12:13:03 PM

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"I don't have a problem with Wright saying what he said "

wow

3/17/2008 12:21:26 PM

Apart from HIV conspiracy theories, what's the big deal?

Are y'all shocked that someone could consider the United States of America racist?

3/17/2008 12:25:32 PM

^x5 Called out? STFU--saying it doesn't make it so, junior. You think you're so fucking smart, but you don't know shit.

Perhaps you could explain Wright's adoption and promotion of the "Black Value System"--sounds very inclusive.

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"The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology."

http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

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"Black theology or Black liberation theology is a Christian theology of liberation. The field of black liberation theology received its name in the 1960s and includes in its history Pan Africanists from earlier centuries who used the teachings of Christianity and/or the vehicle of the black church as foundational to their efforts for securing a self-determining existence for Africans at home and/or abroad [emphasis added]."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_theology

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"Black separatism is a separatist political movement that seeks a separate homeland for black people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_separatism

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"During the course of the 2008 campaign, Wright's beliefs and past remarks have become closely scrutinized. Critics have accused Wright's Black liberation theology of promoting black separatism. Wright has rejected this notion by saying that 'The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#_note-nytimes

Note well: Wright's language here is careful. While Black liberation theology may not "assume" separatism, it certainly does not preclude it either.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 12:25:41 PM

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"wow"

You think it's amazing "WOW" that I advocate people exercising free speech? That's a problem I have with people like you, if you don't like what someone's saying, then that means they shouldn't say it.

He can say whatever the fuck he wants

3/17/2008 12:28:45 PM

So why has he been noting the church's white minister(s)?

Similarly, various reports say they welcome non-blacks.

3/17/2008 12:30:06 PM

^^^goddamn those niggers wanting self-determination. Don't they know that is only for whites?

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 12:31:31 PM

^ Watching all the allegations of racism thrown at Wright makes me a bit disgusted.

3/17/2008 12:36:57 PM

man people sure are quick to blindly defend obama when someone dares to even suggest that he's not the perfect flawless candidate that you imagine

3/17/2008 12:38:10 PM

I'm not a huge Obama fan. He's not nearly radical enough.

I think I'd prefer Wright for the job.

3/17/2008 12:39:54 PM

fighting for free speech now terp? LOL Werent you upset with what hillary and her aid were saying recently? haha

You are right, he can say whatever he wants. The sad thing, as you said, there are alot of idiots that actually agree with this racist moron.

The problem is when someone running for president associates themselve with someone like this, it becomes an issue.

3/17/2008 12:44:08 PM

^^^ I don't think this has anything to do with Obama as a candidate - that's the stretch that people who are anti-Obama are making


^ What the fuck are you even talking about? The dude isn't racist - America IS run by rich whites - him pointing that out is racist? I think you're just projecting.



[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 12:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 12:44:32 PM

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"Called out? STFU--saying it doesn't make it so, junior. You think you're so fucking smart, but you don't know shit. Perhaps you could explain Wright's adoption and promotion of the "Black Value System"--sounds very inclusive. Quote : "The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology." http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm Quote : "Black theology or Black liberation theology is a Christian theology of liberation. The field of black liberation theology received its name in the 1960s and includes in its history Pan Africanists from earlier centuries who used the teachings of Christianity and/or the vehicle of the black church as foundational to their efforts for securing a self-determining existence for Africans at home and/or abroad [emphasis added]." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_theology Quote : "Black separatism is a separatist political movement that seeks a separate homeland for black people." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_separatism Quote : "During the course of the 2008 campaign, Wright's beliefs and past remarks have become closely scrutinized. Critics have accused Wright's Black liberation theology of promoting black separatism. Wright has rejected this notion by saying that 'The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history.'" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#_note-nytimes Note well: Wright's language here is careful. While Black liberation theology may not "assume" separatism, it certainly does not preclude it either."

lol do you realize that this post more supports my position? Wright says he's not a separatist and you posted no speeches indicating he was. And I don't see why you even posted the definition of separatism.

Are you sick or something? This is weaker than normal for you.

And how much sense does it make for a black separatist to have a best friend that is half white? How ironic would it be for a half white person to be the vehicle to promote a separatist agenda? Like most religious people, wright is probably a bit nuts, but no where near as nuts as people are making him out to be, and not nutty enough to really cast doubts about Obama.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 12:50 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 12:47:25 PM

i like how when somebody associated with Bush gets quoted as saying something dumb you guys are all over it...but somebody associated with Obama, all I see is "who cares"

3/17/2008 12:48:56 PM

^ like what?

3/17/2008 12:51:17 PM

like any thread in TSB over the past 7 years?

watch one of bush's cabinet or aides or advisors get in trouble...watch a rogue soldier in the army photograph some humility...let some oil exec get in the news...Bush can publicly lie and say he wasn't aware of it, but you don't believe that...yet Obama says "oh I didn't know my pastor said these things" you believe him?

3/17/2008 12:54:14 PM

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"The dude isn't racist "

Wow. Tell me you are trolling.

3/17/2008 12:54:24 PM

You seem like a bigot - I can see how you'd think he's racist.

3/17/2008 12:57:31 PM

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" Bush can publicly lie and say he wasn't aware of it"

If he's publicly lying, why would I believe him?

But, I don't think anyone personally blamed bush for Abu Ghraib, and there was some circumstantial evidence linking CHeney to it, but mostly I think people were blaming the culture of Bush's whitehouse.

And considering the very deep ties both Bush and Cheney have to the oil industry (especially Cheney), it's not unreasonable to think people are using their past connections with the.

And, Obama is being very careful with his wording. He's not outright saying he didn't know his pastor wasn't saying these things. He's saying he didn't know of that particular speech, and that if wright had been making a regular habit out of it, he wouldn't have gone to that church.

And on top of that, as GoldenViper pointed out, most of what he says isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The worst that i've hear was the AIDS thing.

^^ i haven't seen any clips of him saying anything racist either.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:02 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 1:01:45 PM

^^Nice counter point.

3/17/2008 1:03:51 PM

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"And considering the very deep ties both Bush and Cheney have to the oil industry (especially Cheney), it's not unreasonable to think people are using their past connections with the."

and considering Obama is a politician, its not unreasonable to think he's completely full of shit in his denial of ignorance and in general he is only saying what he feels are the safest things to say before the election

but when you said "especially Cheney" thats the point I'm making...Cheney isn't the President....you want to say "Wright isn't running for President" as if only things that Obama says are fair game...but Cheney isn't President...sure he's an elected govt official...but who is to say Wright wouldn't get at minimum an advisory role on Obama's cabinet? Aren't we supposed to evaluate the candidates during the campaign to find things like this out before its too late?

3/17/2008 1:04:06 PM

so moron and terp. Saying that the govt created HIV to kill blacks isnt racist?

3/17/2008 1:07:10 PM

Okay, morondouchebag, if Wright's speeches and positions are so fucking great, why is his buddy Obama condemning and denouncing them all over the place--every day? If Wright's not ashamed of his own positions, why has this hate-filled bigot scurried off into the woodwork?

Cloaking yourself in some type of "theology" is just great--as long as you're some type of far-left radical, right, morondouchebag? GG.

3/17/2008 1:08:48 PM

^^Not if it's true, I don't believe it's true, I don't know where HIV came from.

Not like the government hasn't done it to blacks BEFORE though, it's a part of our country's history. That's right, America has a racist history, I can see why there are black churches established.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:11 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 1:11:30 PM

so do you consider it a racist statement or not?

3/17/2008 1:13:49 PM

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"Not if it's true"

I won't say it again - if it's proven that the US gov't has nothing to do with the higher concentration of HIV in black areas then yes, it's racist.

3/17/2008 1:16:03 PM

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"[I]f Wright's speeches and positions are so fucking great, why is his buddy Obama condemning and denouncing them all over the place--every day? If Wright's not ashamed of his own positions, why has this hate-filled bigot scurried off into the woodwork? Cloaking yourself in some type of 'theology' is just great--as long as you're some type of far-left radical, right. . . ?"

3/17/2008 1:17:04 PM

hahaha. The best part about this whole thing is that Obama supporters are in such a pickle.

I mean, I'm sure they want to say "this election isn't about bullshit, it's about the issues", but they know for a fact that it just ain't so. There is really no question that Hillary and Edwards both showed themselves to be much more capable with handling and communicating policy than Obama. He's getting nominated on the "wow" factor, which is total 100% pure grade bullshit.

So how do you say bullshit doesn't matter when your candidate's momentum is fueled on bullshit? Well, terp has the talking points down as best as anyone--call everyone that criticizes Obama a racist and hope things blow over before the next primary.

We'll see if this strategy plays out.

3/17/2008 1:27:07 PM

I hope all of the candidates die and Bush gets elected King.


That's how stupid the arguments are about this.

3/17/2008 1:28:41 PM

LOL, ok terp. Since you think the govt may have created HIV...lol.. Can you explain to me how it is spread?

3/17/2008 1:29:24 PM

^ Since you know everything, why don't you tell me where it came from?

^^^^^ I see you referenced me in that post - I don't call people who criticize Obama racist. I'll quickly call a racist a racist though.

If you bash Obama because he went to a black church, that seems racist to me. You know, Socks, that post was so out of line - you're barely worth even responding to. It's like you're really retarded IRL or something.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 1:35:39 PM

Didn't quite a few churches lose their non-profit status during the last election cycle for advocating a particular candidate?

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"^ Since you know everything, why don't you tell me where it came from?"

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"Scientists identified a type of chimpanzee in West Africa as the source of HIV infection in humans. The virus most likely jumped to humans when humans hunted these chimpanzees for meat and came into contact with their infected blood. Over several years, the virus slowly spread across Africa and later into other parts of the world. For more information view our question and answer on the origin of HIV."

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/basic/index.htm

blah.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM. Reason : l]

3/17/2008 1:36:02 PM

Well terp, you are acting like a kid backed into a corner...avoiding admiting and spinning all you can.

You first said it wasnt racist IF it was true...(which you then said you didnt believe it was true) So you could infer that, according to your definition, it was a racist statement.

Next, you avoid my question about how it is passed. Mainly bc RACE inst an issue, its lifestyle and activities that spread it.. not race.

Keep spinning, its pretty amusing. Since youve already called me a bigot, for pointing out, according to your definition, a racist statement by the good rev... Where will you turn to next? Im guessing avoidance.

3/17/2008 1:41:37 PM

^x5 God damn! Can you take a fucking pill or something for your Bush derangement syndrome? Bush is fucking leaving in less than a year--no matter what--deal with it!!!1

NEXT!!!1

Well, in fairness, HIV may have originated in the production process of the hepatitis B vaccine some decades ago. But if the accidental opening of this Pandora's box is finally proved, it still will not be "genocide," which is deliberate, against any particular group.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 1:41:56 PM

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"I mean, I'm sure they want to say "this election isn't about bullshit, it's about the issues", but they know for a fact that it just ain't so. There is really no question that Hillary and Edwards both showed themselves to be much more capable with handling and communicating policy than Obama. He's getting nominated on the "wow" factor, which is total 100% pure grade bullshit."

i for one, don't support obama because of "bullshit." and if clinton is so much better about communicating and handling policy, then why is her campaign the ones slinging all the non-policy mud? also, if she were so good at handling policy, then why did she fail so disastrously at her one big attempt to "handle" policy?

and i'd really like to know the evidence that edwards is better at "handling" policy than obama. he may have different views from obama. but how has he shown that he is somehow more skilled at policy than obama?

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 1:44:49 PM

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"Well terp, you are acting like a kid backed into a corner...avoiding admiting and spinning all you can. You first said it wasnt racist IF it was true...(which you then said you didnt believe it was true) So you could infer that, according to your definition, it was a racist statement. Next, you avoid my question about how it is passed. Mainly bc RACE inst an issue, its lifestyle and activities that spread it.. not race. Keep spinning, its pretty amusing. Since youve already called me a bigot, for pointing out, according to your definition, a racist statement by the good rev... Where will you turn to next? Im guessing avoidance."

I am a casual poster in TSB - because I have an actual job where I have to do work. I glance on TWW between docketing requests and training sessions. I work for literally most of the day. I am not going to avoid my job to maintin a long drawn-out argument with some random faggot who doesn't appear to have a job, or anything better to do than to research other people's posts, spin them, and try to appear to make a point.

I said what I wanted to say, I'm not trying to argue wtih you all day.

Advice: get a job or a hobby

3/17/2008 1:49:37 PM

I don't think it's necessarily racist. It's a conspiracy theory, not a claim or suggestion of racial superiority.

3/17/2008 1:52:49 PM

^^^ Clinton did not go negative, really, until after South Carolina. And I'm guessing it's because she realized that no one gave a fuck about policy. So what do they care about? Non-sense. So she tried to throw the Obama train off the tracks with as much nonsense as she could find.

And I don't blame her for her failures. If you are going to try and change things, you're bound to fail at least a few times. What I can't stand are the people that stand on the sidelines, that have neither sucesses or failures to show for their time in politics. Obama did not do much as a state senator (he was part of a major ethics initiative, but he did not play a leading role, in fact he was not involved until he was asked to take part by the president of the senate) and he has not done much as a U.S. Senator. So I really have no idea how well he will be able to push his agenda as President.

But if you care about policy, would you care to describe which of Obama's policies you like better than anyone else's and why? And I do mean policies that Obama has that are better than any one elses. Not just policy positions he shares with every other Democrat.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:53 PM. Reason : ``]

3/17/2008 1:53:12 PM

read the other dumb-ass troll thread you made about it.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 1:54:26 PM

LOL, terp. I almost suggested the avoidance or job question, but I wanted to see if you would take the bait.

Casual poster? 17k posts? And more insults for actually backing up my opinions.

So, Ill ask you this, what reason do you have for calling me a biggot?

3/17/2008 2:01:49 PM