Anyone doing the open holster protest for SCCC (Students for Concealed Carry on Campus)? Wear an empty holster to class to protest ban on ccw on campus's. I think its the third week in april?

3/17/2008 6:20:26 PM

there are actually people who are against being protected on campus?

thats weird.

3/17/2008 6:24:57 PM

Somebody lemme borrow a holster.

3/17/2008 7:11:22 PM

if anything, go get a toy one.

i used to have two, but ive only got one now. not sure what happened to the other.

or goto your local range and tell them about this protest. leave them some something so you can borrow it.

3/17/2008 7:14:02 PM

i would participate if i was on campus this semester

3/17/2008 8:11:44 PM

so wait, you guys are protesting so you can be allowed to carry weapons on campus?

haha I <3 America...

3/17/2008 8:22:04 PM

Why not? What makes campus any different from any place else? Other than being the only place where you can be mugged in broad daylight by a man with a gun, and have no chance at self defense because the law requires you leave your own gun at home?

3/17/2008 8:24:40 PM

FUCK YES I AM PARTICIPATING IN THIS. Do they have pamphlets and things that you can download so I can hand shit out? I try to remain out of politics as much as possible, but the right to bear arms is the one thing I FUCKING BELIEVE IN.

3/17/2008 8:35:22 PM

http://concealedcampus.org/ - check it out, maybe someone is interested in co-ordinating for State? I would, but Im about to graduate and move to VA...busy busy busy.

3/17/2008 8:37:33 PM

id do it if i was still on campus......of course i can carry concealed damn near wherever i want

3/17/2008 9:05:04 PM

^Not where I work.

3/17/2008 9:06:53 PM

Protest page
http://www.concealedcampus.org/press2.htm
Facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=7594769834

http://www.concealedcampus.org/

FAQ:

Q : What if I don’t live near the protest?
A: This is a NATIONWIDE protest. If you attend a college in the United States of America, you live near the protest.

Q: What if I don’t have a holster?
A: We’ll help you find a cheap or free holster.

Q: What if I don’t have class that day?
A: This is a WEEKLONG protest.

Q: Can I join the protest even if I don't have a concealed handgun license or if I don't live in a state that allows concealed carry?
A: Yes.

Q: Is there some way I can join the protest without wearing an empty holster around campus?
A: Though the empty holsters are the focus of the protest, individuals who are not comfortable wearing an empty holster on campus are invited to wear one of these SCCC T-shirts instead: http://www.cafepress.com/sccc_gfz

Q: What is this protest all about?
A: Read this: http://www.concealedcampus.org/press2.htm

Q: What is SCCC all about?
A: Read this: http://www.concealedcampus.org/about.htm

Q: Do you really want to let everyone carry guns at school?
A: Read this: http://www.concealedcampus.org/faq.htm

Q: Won’t allowing guns on campus make colleges less safe?
A: Read this: http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm

3/17/2008 9:07:33 PM

republican is a cop. id imagine he could carry anywhere as long as he registers or something. dont you have to check in?

3/17/2008 9:08:07 PM

Quote :

"so wait, you guys are protesting so you can be allowed to carry weapons on campus? haha I <3 America..."

Just making sure you realize that this is ONLY about allowing legal Concealed Carry Permit holders to carry on campus, not just anyone. CCW holders have to pass a training course, register with the government, and pay a decent fee for that ability and are statistically the LEAST likely to commit gun crime/violence. This is more of a personal protection issue than anything.

Nobody is saying arm the entire student body and have a redneck wild west at noon in the brickyard.

3/17/2008 9:09:29 PM

CCW permit holders also have to submit finger prints to the county.....and yes, they are the least likely to commit gun violence and are generally very responsible and well trained with their weapons. generally if someone cares enough to spend the $$$ and time to get the permit, they are serious about being knowledgeable with the weapon

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 9:12:55 PM

its funny how A LOT of people thing that its just "random people with guns on campus". and "someone could just take your gun".

like ^ said its not like you goto the range and pay $5 to take a course to shoot at the range.
its a bit more intense.

3/17/2008 9:13:53 PM

yep im not a big gun fan myself, but i can certainly see where an armed student could have picked off that fucker at VT long before all the shit got serious. i'm all for this

3/17/2008 9:17:30 PM

it will not happen i dont think....ie liberal academia, but im all for it

3/17/2008 9:20:15 PM

yeah. i think a lot of us know it will not happen.

but i am 100% for it though.

so say CCW was allowed on campus'. that would mean some people who work for the univ. would be carrying, now is that something that could be used against you for a job? i guess so. but that would suck.

3/17/2008 9:22:27 PM

i know you can do the whole self-defense thing... but are you allowed to use your own concealed weapon if you feel that SOMEONE ELSE'S life is in danger? if someone pulls a gun on my coworker and has their back turned to me, can i shoot them in the back of the head and get away with it?

3/17/2008 9:23:44 PM

absolutely, defense of a third party is totally legal......well to clarify it depends on the situation, but in that case then yes deadly force in defense of a third party is justified, for civilians and cops

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 9:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 9:25:09 PM

thats the same Q i asked in fumblers thread.

i believe in defense its allowed, but i dont think you can shoot someone in the back when they arent "armed"

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 9:26 PM. Reason : ^ i thought you couldnt shoot someone in the back. they are unarmed and trying to get away? ]

3/17/2008 9:25:24 PM

now what are the odds of having to sit in jail until you prove that you were defending someone else?

thats the part that would scare me the most about carrying. using it legally and then having to go through jail and court just to clear my name.

^yeah im only talking about a situation where i see someone with a gun pointed at someone else, and the aggressor can't see me

3/17/2008 9:26:06 PM

better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6

3/17/2008 9:26:52 PM

see i would be warry that since they didnt shoot, it would be totally legit. but i know the fact they pulled a gun is probably enough for you to use self defense.

3/17/2008 9:27:16 PM

i'd actually rather be dead than to sit in the county jail for years waiting for a trial to start and play out

3/17/2008 9:28:04 PM

how much of a fucking backwards redneck do you have to be to think carrying handguns on university campuses is a GOOD idea?

3/17/2008 9:30:16 PM

well rednecks typically carry shotguns and rifles.

3/17/2008 9:31:31 PM

~im scared someone might cho seung hui me guys~

3/17/2008 9:32:22 PM

Scrump, you obviously don't know they types of people who go through the trouble of legally concealing handguns.
Believe me, if the shit ever hit the fan those are the people you want to be next to.

The protest isn't in favor of allowing everyone to carry handguns.
It is in favor of allowing concealed handguns carried by concealed handgun license holders.

3/17/2008 9:36:03 PM

why is it a bad idea, mr scrumples? people are carrying them all around you now as it is... you just don't know it because they have a permit to conceal it.

its not like you hear much about law abiding concealed carry people doing crazy crimes.

3/17/2008 9:36:48 PM

Quote :

"but are you allowed to use your own concealed weapon if you feel that SOMEONE ELSE'S life is in danger? if someone pulls a gun on my coworker and has their back turned to me, can i shoot them in the back of the head and get away with it?"

When I was robbed at gun point I asked the cops who showed up the same question, and they told me that as long as the suspect is physically threatening you or your friend (i.e. pointing the gun at them) you can legally shoot them. Sounds to me like shooting someone in the back would be totally fine as long as they have a gun pointed at someone and you think they might use it. Once they leave the scene or lower their gun however, you can no longer shoot them.

3/17/2008 9:38:48 PM

You guys have valid points I suppose.

But on campuses and such I don't agree with it.

3/17/2008 9:39:09 PM

mr scrumples doesnt want guns in our churches either~

3/17/2008 9:40:14 PM

well, them lowering it but still brandishing it in a threatening manner would still be justified to my understanding

3/17/2008 9:40:59 PM

Quote :

"its not like you hear much about law abiding concealed carry people doing crazy crimes."

that's true

I can't think of a single instance of gun violence on the news that was at the hands of a Concealed Carry holder

it seems like as soon as the word gun is mentioned some people just jump right into emotion-driven 'they're going to kill us all' mentality

I guarantee you Mr Cho was not a concealed carry permit holder, and the only 'benefits' of a 'gun-free' campus is that the people that ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE LAWS won't be able to defend themselves.

I'm all for stripping the bad guys of their guns, but this isn't some happy fairytale land where thugs and evil motherfuckers are gonna stop when they see a sign that says 'SORRY GUY THIS IS A GUN FREE ZONE'

If their intent is to break the law in the first place, they don't give a fuck whether their 'allowed' to have a gun there or not.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2008 9:42:43 PM

yup

3/17/2008 9:43:26 PM

there wouldn't even be a way to prove what position the gun was in anyway so what you're arguing sounds stupid.

When I got robbed at gunpoint I never once thought I wanted to go out and get a handgun and such afterwards. I dealt with it and moved on.

3/17/2008 9:43:50 PM

well it's about time someone got even for the spanish inquisition.

3/17/2008 9:44:48 PM

^^ surveillance cameras

3/17/2008 9:45:55 PM

In the classroom?

3/17/2008 9:47:05 PM

i thought in NC you cant shoot someone in the back.

3/17/2008 9:47:31 PM

the anti gun people are largely arguing from a purely emotional level, they simply dont realize the logic and rationality of the situation. Sure, we would all like to live in a world without guns, violence, crime etc....but that is not reality. Criminals will always have them, all the laws and restrictions do is hurt honest people from defending themselves. The whole point of concealed carry is that it benefits everyone because a criminal doesn't know who is armed and it can possibly make them more cautious. if more HONEST and RESPONSIBLE people were armed and the thugs knew it, i am certain crime against random people would drop.

3/17/2008 9:48:18 PM

You can shoot them in the back...if they're threatening someone's life or doing great bodily harm to them.

3/17/2008 9:48:32 PM

ok. you just cant shoot them if they running away is kind of what i meant.

3/17/2008 9:49:24 PM

if they no longer pose a threat a civilian cant shoot them if they are running away.....a cop can shoot someone if they are running away under certain special circumstances

3/17/2008 9:50:32 PM

i still cant get over how [stereotypical] liberals treat the classroom the same way that their conservative counterparts treat the church.

sure its ok that the guy beside me in mcdonalds is carrying a gun... BUT NOT IN MY CLASSROOM!

3/17/2008 9:54:31 PM

say one of the VT students had a gun on him and shot the shooter.

what do you think would happen to the student?

3/17/2008 9:56:33 PM

Before this gets moved to the soapbox, I'd just like to say that I think there are 99 million ways to die and whether or not you believe you have some destiny in a gun fight on a college campus, you surely can't believe everybody else buys into this nonsense.

There are certain situations where having a gun could be beneficial, such as working at a convenience mart at 3am. But being prepared and fearing something to the point where you think having a gun on you in school are two different ballparks. Who's emotional and who's rational about this? Surely I'm not the only one that thinks this is a stupid idea for people righteous enough to wanna carry guns around to "be prepared."

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 10:09 PM. Reason : t]

3/17/2008 10:01:03 PM

set em up

3/17/2008 10:03:08 PM