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I'm still curious if anyone knows a good vegan cheese brand, the smart slices provolone weren't to my liking

I'd still like to propose a vegan cookoff that I could judge

3/25/2008 11:27:20 AM

movie popcorn butter is vegan. I checked the ingredients myself

gross/unhealthy it may be, but hey if you're vegan you can get away with it! this was at mission valley, I can't speak for any other movie theater

3/25/2008 11:35:58 AM

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""But heeeeyyyy, wait, aren't the STRICT vegans against using any kind of animal product? So no milk/cheese/butter/dairy either?" That's not "STRICT" veganism, that's "REGULAR" veganism. "

My girlfriend and I laugh everytime we hear people refer to vegetarians as strict when they don't eat chicken or seafood.

Also, cheese substitues are still hard for us to find. We usually use nutritional yeast when possible. But for slices we have not found a good truly vegan cheese substitue for cheddar/american. Mozzarella is tasteless anyways so we use whatever brand is available for pizza shreds. The generic Galaxy brand vegan parmesan topping available at Whole Foods is good. Still have not tried the Galaxy Rice vegan cheddar slices but I bet they are alright.

3/25/2008 11:43:35 AM

Thank you

3/25/2008 11:51:17 AM

mmm beignets.

alee's glad i got introduced her to them I think

3/25/2008 12:18:35 PM

Hmmm, not that I don't trust you but I'd be skeptical about how people pop their corn at theaters. I worked at one in high school and different people would sneak the real butter topping in because it was so popular.

3/25/2008 12:20:33 PM

^^^^ speaking of vegan cheeses.... i would really like to find out what exactly Brixx pizza uses for their dairy free cheese. anybody have any idea?

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 12:24 PM. Reason : ^]

3/25/2008 12:21:15 PM

Not sure but when we went they refered to it as their vegan cheese, next time I will ask because it is delicious. Also, we are sad that we did not ask about the cheddar topping from the burger I posted from Asylum it was sinfully good.

3/25/2008 12:38:55 PM

i'm anxious to try these now:

applesauce granola bars. yummm - i think i will make them tonight if i find the time.

3/25/2008 12:46:15 PM

Sadly I have a dehydrator I got for my birthday which has gone unused for two months now.

3/25/2008 12:49:17 PM

when I get a chance I'll find out the brand of the granola bites I have, they're amazing

3/25/2008 12:52:39 PM

I've been vegetarian for 8 years now, although I do have a policy of eating animals I've raised and slaughtered myself (intend to do that again when I move to a place that allows chickens in city limits, or Durham lifts their present poultry ban, which is currently being petitioned).

Has anyone ever made a creamy vegan cheesy-type sauce successfully? I heard combinations of cornstarch and nutritional yeast, but haven't found one that works successfully.

3/25/2008 7:14:21 PM

found this it's from a mac and cheese recipe, it's a fairly common form of cheese sauce substitute

1 1/2 cups plain soymilk
1 cup water
1/3 cup tamari or soy sauce
1 1/2 cups nutritional yeast
1 tablespoon paprika
1 tablespoon garlic powder
1 tablespoon salt
3 ounces firm tofu
1 cup canola oil

Into a blender and then heat.

maybe silken tofu to replace the firm tofu

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 9:39 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/25/2008 9:37:34 PM

^^Doesn't it fuck up your stomach on the rare occasion you add animal protein back into your diet?

3/26/2008 10:07:39 AM

What do you guys think about Honey?

Vegan or no?

3/26/2008 6:02:35 PM

that's a silly question.

it is made by animals isn't it?

so how is it vegan?

3/26/2008 6:13:29 PM

no

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 6:14 PM. Reason : a]

3/26/2008 6:14:10 PM

I don't consider it vegan, but in a vegan cookbook they had honey in a recipe, I did a wtf

3/26/2008 6:15:42 PM

it's like cheese to vegetarians

3/26/2008 6:19:59 PM

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"What do you guys think about Honey? Vegan or no? "

No.
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/animals/exploitation/bees.php

3/26/2008 7:23:13 PM

3/26/2008 8:35:19 PM

try the moosewood cookbook. it has some really good dishes, and quite a few can be made vegan.

3/26/2008 8:53:36 PM

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"Speaking of protein, I can't stand how so many people really think it's impossible to get enough protein as a vegetarian. I imagine it's even worse for vegans. "

I know people who have developed severe protein deficiencies upon converting to vegan diets. From what their doctors had told them, this is probably an uncommon inherent deficiency that some people inherit. It's silly that people take that as anectdotal evidence that veganism is automatically unhealthy. I know more healthy vegans than I do sick ones.

[rant]

^^^ I always found the bee thing to be somewhat of a stretch. If someone's contention is with using the bees for honey, then that's consistent at least. When someone goes on about some bees being crushed during the harvesting of the honey, I have to laugh just a little. The number of insects and rodents killed when crops are harvested is non-trivial by comparison. If honey is cruel, so is any produce or grain that is not harvested by hand.

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"When beekeepers manipulate combs many bees are crushed and killed."

The first part is true, although beekeepers will try to minimize the damage since a healthy hive is good for honey production. Again, if incidental killing of insects is wrong then human existence is wrong. Large scale farming kills massive numbers of animals that might otherwise be fine if more manual techniques were used. The construction of modern buildings also needlessly slaughters countless living creatures that might otherwise be spared if we lived in a more feral fashion ourselves.

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" Hives have smoke puffed into them to calm bees down and make them easier to handle."

Complaining about the smoke is just plain silly. Yeah the primary point is to keep the bees from going nuts but that keeps them from hurting themselves. Bees franticly stinging a beekeeper suit isn't going to hurt the beekeeper that much, but it will kill the stinging bees. If the problem here is discomfort to the bees- that's problematic considering most human activity discplaces, discomforts, or inconveniences large numbers of a wide variety of animals.

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"Special excluders or devices that violate the bees' space are attached to hives to collect bee products from bees as they enter hives."

The third issue is probably the silliest. Violating the space of insects is wrong? This, like many of these other points, makes pretty much every possible human activity wrong to some degree. Also, they don't seem to have any idea what an excluder actually does.

Don't get the idea that I'm making fun of the idea of being vegan. If you believe in minimizing or cutting out your use of animal-derived products then I commend your dedication. It's not an easy thing to avoid, especially if you're diabetic or something like that. I hate it how people feel the need to include the above arguments when they explain why they think you should be against a particular practice/food/product.

Veganism is not inherently hypocritical. Most vegans aren't hypocritical because they keep their justifications truthful and straightforward. There's nothing wrong with saying "I want to minimize my impacts on animals by cutting out all possible animal products from my consumption." That's an admirable show of restraint. It's the self-appointed spokespersons like the author of that site that seem to feel the need to pepper their morally-consistent justifications with irreconcilable points like those listed above.

If you're going to paint somethings like "violating space" of insects or managing them for the comfort of workers and safety of the bees as cruel and morally reprehensible then you've painted yourself into a corner. If that's wrong to do because someone prefers a particular kind of clothing or food for taste or comfort then how is it right to build modern style houses? For healthy adults the excuses for displacing animals for modern style housing over tents or lean-tos is the same as for wearing wool socks. Why does this all drive me so nuts? It's because in implying moral wrongness in imposing human primacy on any and all animals suggests moral superiority of those who avoid all possible imposition on animals. The disconnect between that and practice is that ultimately anyone who doesn't hand sow, raise, harvest, and prepare their own food products is guilty of cruelty. The term "as much as practicable" is used to justify keeping some comforts and non-nescessary products while still feeling morally superior. Unfortunately- this is arbitrary and akin to an organization of pickpockets calling bank-robbers deviants. Or I guess you could say that "If people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, then people in glass outhouses should probably put theirs down too."

[/rant]

3/27/2008 2:10:00 AM

RE the vegan cheese question


Best overall is "Vegan Gourmet" they have a few different flavors. last i checked (its been a while) they had it at whole foods. this stuff melts pretty well and has a nice texture, flavor is decent.


veganrella is alright, its what they use at lillys



sheese tastes the best and they have a lot of flavors, but it doesn't melt



but...... overall i think you should try to minimize the amount of that stuff you eat. its mostly fat, and by trying to recreate old favorites you miss out on lots of good recipes

3/27/2008 2:26:01 AM

ok so i am getting tired of having these plain lunches at work just because they are easy to make the night before. anybody have some good recipes that are really quick to make that i can bring to work?

3/31/2008 3:57:33 PM

wait a second

veganrella at lilys?

they make vegan pizza/???

wow

3/31/2008 5:07:00 PM

They sure do. My girlfriend LOVES it.

I don't care for it much myself. I think veganrella smells funny, tastes funny and feels funny texturally. But she loves it, and she's the vegan, so it's all good.

3/31/2008 7:55:10 PM

I hate some more of Bambi tonight. I love having a whole bambi in my freezer.

3/31/2008 8:26:40 PM

This is the Lounge take that shit to Chit Chat.

3/31/2008 11:15:13 PM

GREEN JAY

thanks for the suggestion on vegan cheese, it's very helpful and i'll be on the lookout this week

3/31/2008 11:17:46 PM

lilly's pizza dough has honey in it, if you're not into that sort of thing

4/1/2008 12:31:32 PM

veganism is so UNC

4/1/2008 12:32:59 PM

^^ They have a veganized dough if they're not feeling too lazy to make it.

Also the gf and I tried a cashew 'cheese' recipe this weekend that worked really well. Will use again.

2/3 cup raw cashews (if using salted omit the sea salt)
1/2 cup water
1/4 cup red bell pepper
1/2 small red onion
1/4 cup yeast flakes
2 garlic cloves
2 tbsp lemon juice
2 tbsp Bragg's Liquid Aminos (we used reduced sodium soy sauce)
1 tbsp sesame oil
1 tsp sea salt

Put everything in a food processor and blend.

For any dish that will be baked or grilled, just spread on, cook, and enjoy!


[Edited on April 1, 2008 at 4:12 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/1/2008 4:07:52 PM

4/1/2008 5:08:07 PM

This is missing the yummy vegan cupcakes: Vanilla with berries, Cookies and Cream, Margarita and S'Mores.

4/4/2008 10:14:12 PM

4/4/2008 10:46:27 PM

^

Wow! You're so right. Why didn't I think about animals as food before? You have totally changed my mind.

4/4/2008 11:04:20 PM

what can i cook (that's vegan) without a stove or oven?? all i can use is an electric wok and a microwave. halp!!!

4/28/2008 9:17:09 PM

You should be able to cook most things that you could cook on a stove in the wok except for maybe things that involve boiling water - I'm not sure how hot they get. Obviously any kind of veggie stir fry or things along those lines you could do, and you could use instant rice made in the microwave with it.

One of my personal favorite meals (on my mind because it's what I'm having for dinner tonight) is zucchini sauteed with garlic and onion, then mixed with pasta sauce and served in a pita/on bread as a sandwich. That should work fine in the wok.

You could also Google "vegan microwave recipes" or things along those lines and find a bunch of things. I never cook in the microwave so I won't be of much help, but here's an example:

http://www.notecook.com/Main-Course/Vegetarian/Microwave-Vegan-Cooking.42315

4/29/2008 10:53:39 AM

something i dont get about this whole craze...why is it only women do this? i'd say the ration is literally 8 or 9:1, girls to dude vegan etc ratio

4/29/2008 12:17:29 PM

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"craze"

4/29/2008 2:45:13 PM

Quote :

"why is it only women do this?"

a higher percentage of women are batshit crazy?

4/29/2008 3:03:09 PM

No lie...I'm eating a vegan rice cake right now.

Today we are all vegans.

4/29/2008 4:18:59 PM

If you check out vegweb.com and search for microwave, you can find quite a few recipes that just require a microwave.

4/29/2008 4:28:52 PM

I had a really good speaker come into my class last night. He talked to us about becoming vegan. Here is his website.

http://www.adaptt.org

Lots of useful information regarding food. he said he tried a lot so he knows whats good and whats not. also has recipes he said.

Although I will continue to eat meat, it was a very moving talk...

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 4:44 PM. Reason : f]

4/29/2008 4:44:29 PM

I clicked the "all about veganism" link on his site and started reading some of the articles. What a melodramatic douchebag.

At least he uses facts to prove his point...
Oh wait.

4/29/2008 5:01:39 PM

good way to make any kind of microwave vegetables: toss veggies in a bowl with 2tsp oil of your choice and 1 tbsp soy sauce, a sprinkle of garlic powder, red pepper, black pepper and/or whatever spices you have. loosely cover the bowl with its lid if the bowl is tupperware, or with a plate or something if its not and nuke for 2-3 minutes depending on your microwave. delishiousness!


i'll share some of my recipes for making good, but not fast food in a microwave. i lived in a bizzare boarding house place for a year with my vegan boyfriend and we only had access to a microwave and a hotpot, so i found ways to make real satisfying meals in the microwave.





i have made all kinds of curries in the microwave. first, steam your rice in the microwave. it can be done very easily but may take up to 20 minutes if you are not using instant rice (the best instant rice is Uncle ben's fast cook brown rice.) another good alternative is rice noodles. they can be made in just hot water if that is available to you, and if you microwave them they can be done in 2-3 minutes.

start with just your curry paste and put it in a covered bowl (tupperware type stuff works good for this) and microwave for about 10 seconds til it softens. add a little coconut milk and mix well. take tofu and cube it, put it the bowl with the curry and microwave for about 4-5 minutes. make sure tofu is just lightly coated in the curry sauce, not swimming in it. it should get a little tough/browned on the outsides. then add whatever veggies you'd like and more coconut milk to taste. microwave until the vegetables are steamed, depending on type and quantity.


you can make pasta or anything that requres boiling in the microwave, it just requires some patience. make sure the bowl or tupperware you are using is very sturdy and will not get melty during prolonged microwaving (using plastic really may not be that healthy due to pthalates being released).


wheat gluten is a nice protein-filled meat substitute if you are not sensitive to it. it also is easy to make in the microwave, but this can be a bit messy. buy a box of hodgson's mill wheat gluten bread additive, or bob's red mill. for a cup of wheat gluten, start by adding 3/4 cup of water or so and knead and keep adding water until you have something resembling bread dough (it will be much tougher and sticky). roll into a log and slice into thin pieces. place these pieces in a large bowl of hot water and microwave for 10-20 minutes. the gluten should become puffy and soft and will have a texture that you can easily chew. you can make lots at one time and store for a few days. reheat in broth, a mixture of water and soy sauce, or just plain water and top with sauce or add to another dish.



easy TVP chili- take 1 cup of TVP and one can of drained rinsed beans of your choice and a can of Rotel canned tomatoes and chiles. mix together and add some seasonings of your choice (good ones might be garlic powder, onion powder, chile powder or paprika, etc). add 3/4 cup of water and microwave 5-10 minutes, stirring periodically, until most of the water has been absorbed and TVP is soft. top with avocado cubes and plain soy yogurt and serve with chips.



hope this helps some of you dorm kids who don't want to use the disgusting hall kitchen!

4/29/2008 7:53:05 PM

More vegan cupcakes.





[Edited on May 3, 2008 at 8:45 AM. Reason : ]

5/3/2008 8:45:05 AM

Oh look, cupcakes!

5/3/2008 9:34:09 AM

Mr. Bananas holds my dog treats for my dog inside of him
and these cupcakes are mmm mmm tasty.

5/3/2008 3:01:25 PM