Here's an interesting story from the Washington Post. In 2006, Obama wanted to take credit for a immigration bill that he never worked on. And it wasn't the first time.

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"As the half-dozen senators -- including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) -- headed to announce their plan, they met Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who made a request common when Capitol Hill news conferences are in the offing: "Hey, guys, can I come along?" And when Obama went before the microphones, he was generous with his list of senators to congratulate -- a list that included himself. "I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who've actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out," he said. To Senate staff members, who had been arriving for 7 a.m. negotiating sessions for weeks, it was a galling moment. Those morning sessions had attracted just three to four senators a side, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) recalled, each deeply involved in the issue. Obama was not one of them. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706.html?hpid=topnews

Okay, you Obama supporters think legislative accomplishments are over rated. Fine. But what about making shit up? Will you at least grant that lying is bad?

3/27/2008 8:50:31 AM

lol. typical black person...

oh wait. is today 'be sexist' or 'be racist' today in the democratic party.. i'm still getting acustomed to being a democrat..

haha, i can't even spell now; wow, i'm going to need some therapy when i'm done in may.

3/27/2008 8:54:46 AM

Obama supporters should start making desperate threads with the latest dirt on Hillary so we can keep the soap box fair and balanced

3/27/2008 8:59:20 AM

You've missed a more important question...

Was he under sniper fire at the time?

3/27/2008 9:00:44 AM

This is definitely troubling. Less troubling, for sure, than lying about being under sniper fire, less troubling, absolutely, than lying about Iran supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, but of course it is a problem.

I would fucking love to be able to vote for an infallible presidential candidate. As that is unlikely to happen in my or any of our lifetimes, I'll vote for the guy with the best policies, especially if he's a charismatic leader who I think can do real good for the country.

Also, FWIW, Arlen Spector (R-PA) said this in the same article:

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""It's not an unusual matter for senators to take a little extra credit," Specter said."

3/27/2008 9:05:25 AM

From the thread title, I thought this was going to be about him and Bill Clinton getting it on (due to the capital 'B')

3/27/2008 9:10:13 AM

Obama has also lied about being a law professor.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/03/26/bending-the-law.aspx

In fact, was only a lecturer. The Univ. Of Chicago's Press Office say he was qualified to be a professor, but "never had the time". Of course, anyone that has spent anytime in grad school knows there is a heap of difference between a lecturer (someone that just teaches a few classes) and a professor (someone that teaches and publishes scholarly work). I don't know how things work in law schools, but in economics you can be a lecturer with only an MA, but you have to have a PhD to be a university professor. (Hint: Most folk in grad school want to grow up to be the professors because they get the big bucks, the acclaim, and all the chicks).

Obama of course knew the difference. He just figured no one give a shit if he fudged his resume a little.

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 9:16 AM. Reason : ``]

3/27/2008 9:11:57 AM

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" Less troubling, for sure, than lying about being under sniper fire"

Lies about taking credit for a piece of legislative material is not worse than lying about sniper fire????? Wow son.

at least the sniper fire was in the ball park of potentially true, i mean hey there was a war going on rite??

3/27/2008 9:12:06 AM

taking credit for someone elses work isn't that big of a deal. People do it all the time. Its not like hes running for president or anything.

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 9:15 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2008 9:15:10 AM

There was legislation being worked on!

3/27/2008 9:15:48 AM

i mean i know she get's off lying about bosnia...

but obama claiming a piece of legislative material that he had nothing to do with?? that's taking it to a brand new level.

i hope he keeps up the lies. he's gonna need them + a few more to convince normal americans.

3/27/2008 9:16:03 AM

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"taking credit for someone elses work isn't that big of a deal"

i founded tww

i was your father too.

lol

3/27/2008 9:17:03 AM

Workin' hard Rat, or hardly workin'?

3/27/2008 9:19:03 AM

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"than lying about Iran supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq"

lol, look at that spin...

3/27/2008 9:19:45 AM

Did you know that Hillary Clinton is a WOMAN!? I don't know about you, but I don't want no mood swings and hot flashes and calcium deficiencies in the white house...

3/27/2008 9:21:40 AM

Hey Gamecat!

You up for a game of something, cat?

How about Caturday?

You game??!? LAFF

3/27/2008 9:21:58 AM

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"calcium deficiencies"

3/27/2008 9:22:39 AM

obama should just accept the VP spot and be done with it

3/27/2008 9:23:40 AM

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"Rat (9:10am): i've got to make a living for the most part this morning instead of posting on the board. brb"

SURE LET'S PLAY

3/27/2008 9:27:27 AM

and?

3/27/2008 9:34:23 AM

How much do we need to scrap off of Obama's gilded exterior before we can evaluate him as the typical politician that he is?

Conservatives need to get off the race/rev. wright thing and show the country that this guy's policy proposals are way too far to the left for most American's tastes.

3/27/2008 10:16:55 AM

^ I'm not a conservative or a libertarian, but I agree totally. I don't think even my fellow "progressives" (since that's what liberals call themselves these days) would support his policies if they really understood their implications.

His health care proposal is a bust, his position on Iraq is at best unclear and at worst disastreous, the way he makes it sound like NAFTA and corporate profits are evil is at best dishonest rhetoric and at worst relays a basic lack of understanding of economic issues.

Black or white, these proposals are bad for the American people.

3/27/2008 11:08:12 AM

Why aren't you licking Hillary's cunt right now socks?

she's at wake tech

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2008 11:08:56 AM

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"it's funny how hooksaw mentioned richardson's time as a professor, but obama's time as a constitutional law professor wasn't worth mentioning"

sarijoul

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"I was aware of Obama's time as a lecturer--the omission was simply an oversight on my part. Can you ease up a bit?"

hooksaw

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=519335

It's funny how some here just scarf down the DNC-MoveOn-Daily Kos talking points and never take the time to think, to check things out for themselves.

3/27/2008 11:53:34 AM

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"Obama has also lied about being a law professor. http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/03/26/bending-the-law.aspx In fact, was only a lecturer."

I don't know that that is really a big deal. A lecturer is a faculty member and in loose conversation could be called a professor, just as assistant and associate professors are referred to as professor, though that is technically the highest rank.

Now some people might get a little bit more upset if he was an instructor but even still in regular conversation most people are not going to know the difference.

3/27/2008 1:06:15 PM

It's funny how people point out these minor things, and they act like they're huge scandals.

HOLY FUCK, HE SAID HE WAS A PROFESSOR BUT IN REALITY HE WAS JUST A LECTURER. CAN WE TRUST SOMEONE WHO LIES TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?!?!?!



Seriously

Shut

the fuck

up.

3/27/2008 1:11:30 PM

^^ and ^ Faculty, yes. And some colleges allow lecturers to hold a professor title and some don't--I would like to see the specific policy at the college in question.

In any event, Obama knew the difference in a professor and a lecturer. And ignorance on the part of others about faculty titles is not a valid excuse for morphing a particular title.

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2008 1:19:08 PM

he has a Juris Doctor.

he's lecturing Constitutional Law at one of the most prestigious legal universities in the nation.

his students would have most certainly addressed him as "Professor Obama" ... unless he's like one of those guys who are all "y'all can just call me Barack"

[/care]

3/27/2008 1:28:56 PM

he's not GWB

/care

3/27/2008 1:29:41 PM

Well, personally I consider it a huge difference, but I guess if you don't care then you don't care.

But surely you care that he lied about legislation he never worked on? Or is there nothing this man can do wrong in your eyes?

3/27/2008 3:12:22 PM

Sure, but I don't care as much as you want me to.

3/27/2008 5:37:21 PM

man honestly i think i'm still gonna hate politics no matter who gets elected

3/27/2008 6:18:50 PM

Hillary claims she has foreign policy experience

When in fact she was only the Official White House China Pattern Picker-Outer.


That's a wee bit more of a stretch than professor/lecturer

3/27/2008 6:30:07 PM

There's also a big difference between the Bosnia story and this one.

Saying you're a professor, when actually you're a lecturer, is at most mildly flavoring the truth. The two positions are similar. In addition, and the most important factor is: Obama is not running on a platform of being a professor.

This is in large contrast to Hillary Clinton's comment about Bosnia. She is running on a platform of having foreign policy experience. She says she went in under gunfire, and then is shown as meeting up and taking photos with kids, that's a contrast to an issue she is campaigning with.

3/27/2008 6:48:28 PM

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"Gamecat You've missed a more important question... Was he under sniper fire at the time? "

I rarely laugh at a comment by Gamecat but this comment is sublimely beautiful.

3/27/2008 6:55:29 PM

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"But surely you care that he lied about legislation he never worked on? Or is there nothing this man can do wrong in your eyes? "

That is a very politician-like thing to do (which has so far been unusual for Obama). But it's a far, far cry away from the lies from Hillary.

So really, he still comes out on top in that competition.

And this whole professor/lecturer thing to me is amusing, because I had no idea Obama even taught, and that actually makes me respect him even more. Most students don't really distinguish the two when addressing a teacher, and i bet some even called him "Dr." obama (i've always been told if you don't know if they're dr or not, just say dr anyway). I dont have words to express how much of a non-issue this is to me, and I bet overall, pointing out that Obama was a lecturer at such a prominent university can only help him.

And here's a great clip of Obama in a debate. McCain is sitting easy right now, but once Obama gets the nomination, he's really going to struggle to keep up with obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv7K8S4kGQM

3/27/2008 7:32:20 PM

Lying about legislative experience you never had seems on par with lying about foreign policy expeirence you never had.

But, then again, I keep forgetting how well Obama speaks.

When Hill does it, it's one more piece of evidence that she's an ice bot bitch.
When Obama lies about his experience, well, it's better not to talk about it.

3/27/2008 7:48:55 PM

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"I dont have words to express how much of a non-issue this is to me, and I bet overall, pointing out that Obama was a lecturer at such a prominent university can only help him."

I agree completely. Professor, lecturer, teacher - whatever. I rarely distinguish between such terms.

As for the initial scandal, meh. It's not that bad. Of course, I don't care so much about Clinton's lies either.

3/27/2008 8:09:59 PM

so what percentage of the voting block is independent?

3/27/2008 8:12:01 PM

PROFESSOR VS. SENIOR LECTURER

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"The University of Chicago released a statement clarifying Obama's status at the university. He is a senior lecturer and has cited that he is a constitutional law professor on the trail. That's something that has caused some criticism and allegations of exaggeration. It's something the Clinton campaign has pushed as well in conference calls with reporters in the past week."

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"Here's the statement: 'The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as 'Senior Lecturer.' From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/28/832174.aspx

This will put the flap to rest, I suppose.

3/28/2008 11:19:05 AM

No offense but you guys are pathetic. Like Fox News, it's like cute little smear dwarfs running around just dragging shit out of the woodwork, anything, hoping it will stick against the overwhelming larger and more consuming quality of Barack's character.

It's laughable, and this thread is laughable. See you in November!

3/28/2008 12:00:40 PM

^ Be careful what you wish for.

3/28/2008 12:04:17 PM

No too worried actually.

Politically, these guys are jokes on policies that work and there's plenty of time to let the message permeate out as to why.

3/28/2008 12:07:43 PM

^ Good thing the general election is not being held today. If it were, the Democrats would probably lose--and they've done so well with Congress, too.

3/28/2008 12:10:07 PM

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"Obama supporters should start making desperate threads with the latest dirt on Hillary so we can keep the soap box fair and balanced "

i think digg.com has that covered. They post more hillary bashing shit then anyone.

3/28/2008 12:11:26 PM

Kainen,

This "shit" is coming from the fucking Washington Post. Hardly a standard of conservative journalism.

Don't worry though. I didn't actually expect Obama supporters to change their positions just because he lied about his legislative experience. I just love watching them twist in the political winds.

"Obama lied, but it doesn't matter because it must be conservative bullshit. Didn't you hear McCain is going to bomb Iran? And Hillary lied too! What about Hope?? Fuck you neo-con!!!"

hahaha it's great.

3/28/2008 12:51:14 PM

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"i think digg.com has that covered. They post more hillary bashing shit then anyone."

LOL

3/28/2008 1:11:59 PM

^^ Ha-ha!

3/28/2008 1:29:19 PM

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"the way he makes it sound like NAFTA and corporate profits are evil is at best dishonest rhetoric and at worst relays a basic lack of understanding of economic issues."

Socks``, would you care to elaborate on this point?

3/28/2008 4:29:53 PM

YEAH!

3/28/2008 4:39:15 PM