I would have put this in another one of the CCW threads if search were working.

I never drive across campus if I have a gun in the car, I'm just wondering if any parts of Hillsborough or Western are technically on campus, primarily that stretch of Western between Dan Allen and Gorman. I'm living in that area again and don't need the charges.

4/11/2008 12:05:10 AM

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"primarily that stretch of Western between Dan Allen and Gorman."

[uninformed opinion alert]

i don't believe it can be considered school property since it's a main road. one side of the road may be their property, but i don't believe they can own/dole out the law on both sides.

4/11/2008 12:51:06 AM

I would suggest calling someone at the university to be safe, maybe campus police. I have been told that that technically if you're on the university side of hilllsbourgh it is in violation to even have a firearm in your car, much less a concealed firearm. Think about how many people drive both those roads with a shotgun or rifle in their car everyday. I am not sure if this person had done any research on the matter, so i would call campus police at 515-3000 to make sure, you will probably get a receptionist that may not know the answer, so you should ask for an officer on duty or Sgt. Farmer. He is a great guy and will set you straight. I'm actually quite interested in what the rule is, so if you find out post it for everyone.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:39 AM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 3:38:39 AM

http://www.ncsu.edu/ncsu/public_safety/Department/Jurisdiction.html
Technically Campus Police has jurisdiction on any street passing through or adjacent to campus.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_14/gs_14-269.2.html
The NC Statute prohibits guns from "educational property". Since those roads are public streets and not campus property, I wouldn't think it would apply.

4/11/2008 3:40:59 AM

Technically it is illegal to carry on Hiillsboro from what I have been told. Not totally sure on the accuracy though.

4/11/2008 7:58:37 AM

you should totally do it anyway and fight for your right to be armed on campus! what if there is a masked gunman? who will save the day if not for you and your concealed weapon on campus?

4/11/2008 8:28:58 AM

got to protect ourselves from you.

4/11/2008 8:57:51 AM

btw, you can still search using google:

site:http://www.thewolfweb.com ccw question (or whatever your query is)

4/11/2008 9:13:07 AM

YEAH I TOTALLY NEED TO CARRY A GUN ON CAMPUS

[/north carolina]

4/11/2008 9:16:24 AM

Unless you get pulled for a felony stop are you really that worried about it???

The police can not search through your car and find your pistol locked in the glove compartment unless they have a warrant b.c you were doing something else wrong in the first place.
I am sure there are plenty of unlawful people that actually carry their guns onto campus hidden. Afterall all those thugs i get emails about mugging people i am sure do not stash their 9mm's before going on their raids b.c guns are illegal on campus.

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"YEAH I TOTALLY NEED TO CARRY A GUN ON CAMPUS"

yay i go to a college where people are regularly mugged by delinquents that migrate to campus from their slums nearby [/ghetto NCSU]

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM. Reason : a]

4/11/2008 10:13:15 AM

It isn't illegal for me to carry my concealed handguns on campus . Mine are all registered with the Campus Police.

4/11/2008 10:27:07 AM

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"Technically Campus Police has jurisdiction on any street passing through or adjacent to campus."

But that's not the question being asked.

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"The NC Statute prohibits guns from "educational property". Since those roads are public streets and not campus property, I wouldn't think it would apply."

That's my thought - there's no way in hell they could reasonably consider a major thoroughfare part of an educational property (in the academic sense ), just because of proximity.

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"I'm actually quite interested in what the rule is, so if you find out post it for everyone."

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 10:29 AM. Reason : asljfg]

4/11/2008 10:28:20 AM

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"got to protect ourselves from you."

el oh el?

4/11/2008 11:46:57 AM

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"It isn't illegal for me to carry my concealed handguns on campus . Mine are all registered with the Campus Police."

5-0 ALERT!

4/11/2008 12:22:36 PM

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"Unless you get pulled for a felony stop are you really that worried about it???"

I dont know if you are a CCW holder, so excuse this if you are, but most CCW holders are typically very conscious of the law.

Its the people packing without a CCW permit that you have to worry about.

4/11/2008 12:29:02 PM

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"Unless you get pulled for a felony stop are you really that worried about it???"

If you get pulled for anything it will show that you have a CCW when the cop runs your tags. I've heard stories about local police giving CCW holders hell whenever they pull them on campus.

4/11/2008 2:58:09 PM

Bingo

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" dont know if you are a CCW holder, so excuse this if you are, but most CCW holders are typically very conscious of the law. Its the people packing without a CCW permit that you have to worry about. "

and Bingo

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"If you get pulled for anything it will show that you have a CCW when the cop runs your tags."

4/11/2008 3:09:19 PM

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"Unless you get pulled for a felony stop are you really that worried about it???"

You're also required by state law to disclose to the LEO that you're carrying a firearm.

4/11/2008 3:24:45 PM

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"If you get pulled for anything it will show that you have a CCW when the cop runs your tags."

[no]

4/11/2008 3:27:08 PM

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"It isn't illegal for me to carry my concealed handguns on campus . Mine are all registered with the Campus Police."

What? Care to elaborate? Unless you're a police officer, I'm not aware of any exceptions in NC law.

4/11/2008 3:30:51 PM

I actually asked a cop last night and he had no idea what he was talking about as he told me flatly that I should be ok to carry on campus as long as I'm outdoors.

4/11/2008 3:33:16 PM

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"Quote : "If you get pulled for anything it will show that you have a CCW when the cop runs your tags." [no] "

no? are you sure? This was told to me in person from a (retired, iirc) LEO who was instructing my CCP class.

4/11/2008 3:50:44 PM

when they run your drivers license it will show that you have a NCCHP...your drivers license number is on your NCCHP...but your license plate tags are independent...what if I'm driving somebody else's car

regardless they tell you to inform the officer that you're a permit holder and let him know what and where you're holding

4/11/2008 4:00:26 PM

I just got off of the phone with campus police and apparently all of Hillsborough and Western are fine even though both streets are within their jurisdiction.

4/11/2008 4:03:41 PM

Here we go with this shit again...

4/11/2008 4:08:46 PM

Good to know. I'd been told they were off-limits, but nothing beats the horse's mouth.

4/11/2008 4:09:38 PM

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"It isn't illegal for me to carry my concealed handguns on campus . Mine are all registered with the Campus Police."

I own a townhouse on Centennial Campus. Because it is my primary residence, Constitutional Law takes precedence over State Law. I have to register each of my firearms with the Campus Police, however, I am allowed to carry concealed in my vehicle. I can't go walking in the Brickyard with a gun, but I can drive through campus if necessary. I have gone through several checkpoints on Varsity and was pulled about 3 weeks ago on Centennial Campus and had no problems whatsover. As long as you act responsibly, the cops are extremely reasonable.

I keep the gun in my glovebox and my registration/insurance in my visor. I have no need to open my box and I keep my hands on the wheel and tell the officer, "Sir, I have a concealed handgun in my glove box." They usually ask if I have a permit, I tell them yes and I have special permission - my CCW license has my Centennial Campus address on it, so there is no need to investigate further. I don't drive through Main Campus anymore now that I have graduated.

4/11/2008 4:10:36 PM

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"I actually asked a cop last night and he had no idea what he was talking about as he told me flatly that I should be ok to carry on campus as long as I'm outdoors"

You can't take a cops word as legal advice. I'm not trying to disrespect LEOs, but their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.

4/11/2008 4:10:55 PM

Organization advocates for concealed carry on campus

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"A prime example, Tucker said, is the armed robberies that happened on campus last month during the daytime. Another point, McDowell said, is the 'magical line between Hillsborough Street and the other side of campus.' People walking on the non-campus side of Hillsborough Street can carry concealed weapons if they have permits, but on the campus side, it is not allowed [emphasis added]. Director of Campus Police, Tom Younce said the group would be allowed to organize, but the decision is ultimately up to the legislature, as the policy on concealed weapons on campus is a state law, not a University regulation."

http://tinyurl.com/535496

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 4:21:00 PM

my ccw class instructor used dan allen specifically as an expample of where you could carry. its a city street, not university property. parking on hillsborough street is city property as well.

4/11/2008 5:05:10 PM

^^the Technician isn't exactly known for its accuracy or reliability.

4/11/2008 5:58:11 PM

^ Neither is TWW.

4/11/2008 6:54:46 PM

^^ You have a firm grasp of the obvious. Did you think that hadn't occurred to me or anyone else?

I took a chance that they had actually researched the story. Take the info contained therein as you will--as is the case with any source.

4/11/2008 7:16:47 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

4/11/2008 7:28:46 PM

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"If you get pulled for anything it will show that you have a CCW when the cop runs your tags."

Yea your CCW comes up if he runs your ID # through DCI. its a different screen on its on. One screen gives your name address driver history blah blah. another shows if you are a registered sex offender... another shows if you are wanted....and the other shows if you have a CCW permit. If you do have a permit and you didn't mention while I was talkin to you. Im gonna be pissed.

4/12/2008 12:00:52 AM

^ ever pulled a person who showed up on all 4 screens?

4/12/2008 12:46:55 AM

Dan Allen Drive = On Campus, No CCW

Varsity Drive, Hillsborough, Western = Not on Campus, but NCSU PD has jurisdiction there because it is adjacent to their property. Just because NCSU PD has jurisdiction there, doesn't mean its on campus property. Yes, CCW. No if you are walking on the campus side of the sidewalk on Hillsborough. That is a different story.

4/12/2008 11:40:50 AM

dan allen is real iffy and i wouldnt chance it

you can carry in your car going down pullen though. i have confirmed this with campus police. they said that since it is a city road that it is fine.

4/12/2008 12:45:47 PM

^^^^Just because I have a permit doesn't mean I need to disclose that unless I am carring a firearm. If I happen to get pulled and I dont' have a gun in my car, I am not obligated to give my CCP to the officer.

4/12/2008 2:04:19 PM

might as well do it though...that way the cop knows that you are a honest, law abiding citizen and you are more likely to get off easier

4/12/2008 2:55:29 PM

I just didn't want to get pulled for having a tail light out and end up getting slammed on the hood of my car.

4/12/2008 5:41:59 PM

^^^ I only took the CCW class 2 weeks ago, and after hearing first hand from two officers, they get real pissed off when you dont disclose that you're a CCW permit holder.

Just keep your CCW permit behind your license, and if you have to show your ID to any officer, just hand them the CCW permit and disclose if you are or are not carrying

It doesnt appear that you're the type of guy to get your concealed permit anyhow

4/12/2008 10:55:32 PM

^ The cops get "pissed off" because you're required to reveal it.

4/13/2008 3:06:18 AM

I bet the mom is on welfare

4/13/2008 9:31:28 AM