http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3341940

too bad clemens fucked himself by lying, or else he could've avoided perjury AND gotten a free pass

4/11/2008 4:53:28 PM

at least they appear to be making some progress

4/11/2008 4:55:18 PM

no thoughts on this? surprising....

4/12/2008 12:19:13 AM

legalize it

just make it so if they test positive they dont get in the record books

4/12/2008 12:20:08 AM

^make it so that if they test positive for steroids you forfeit your salary for the entire year and you're permanently banned from baseball, and your team automatically gets a loss for every game you played in.

4/12/2008 8:26:06 AM

^ hahaha, that'd be awesome

4/12/2008 8:28:10 AM

Seriously. This needs to be fucking over. It's just too hard to find out who did what when. So starting next year if you test positive for steroids 50 game suspension. If you test positive again you are banned for life. Too bad the player's union would never go for this.

4/12/2008 10:51:39 AM

Someone explain to me how most of these guys will still be in the HOF but Pete Rose is not? He did not cheat. He bet on HIS team. These guys cheated, it's been proven, and some have admitted it. What they did is more hurtful to the game than what Charlie Hustle did....

4/13/2008 6:33:22 PM

I agree, I think just about all the fans agree, the only ones who don't are assholes in the media who somehow have convinced themselves that baseball is a clean game despite the overwhelming mountains of evidence. Oh, and Bud Selig, who is among the worst commissioners in MLB history.

Also, fuck the player's union, they are the single biggest problem with the game today by a wide, wide, wide margin.

4/13/2008 6:36:07 PM

Just put a One and Done policy in place. If you test positive, you can find a new job. No more random tests....everyone gets tested at least once a month. Anything less will make this sport a fucking joke. If you thought the WWF or the WWE was bad....

4/13/2008 6:38:02 PM

Hell, I'd rather they tested them before or after every single game. Same with the NFL and the NBA. If they do it in cycling then they can do it in baseball.

4/13/2008 6:42:27 PM

Betting on your team as a manager is still an enormous offense. What if a manager has $50k on that night's game but nothing wagered for the next two weeks.

His incentive is to win THAT GAME and if that means overworking a starting pitcher, going to his bullpen earlier than normal, stealing with a guy who is getting over a pulled hamstring, etc then so be it.

All of those things could be detrimental to the long term prospects of his team. When a manager has external gambling pressure influencing his decisions that is a big time offense in my book.

I think it has a lot to do with eras. Not every manager was gambling on baseball.

Nearly everyone was doing steroids and getting away with it. It was unfair not to be taking them. Still amazed that so many people were blind to it for so long. How the hell else do you explain the Brett/Aaron Boone phenomenon where suddenly everyone had pop in their bat out of nowhere.

It still makes me incensed how these people lied when they were called out on it. I think its perfectly legit to lie to a reporter asking pesky questions. But lying on the stand and doing the Palmeiro finger wave. The Marion Jones whiny accusatory tirade. That shit just pisses me off and they should be banned for life for that garbage.

4/13/2008 7:20:59 PM

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"Someone explain to me how most of these guys will still be in the HOF but Pete Rose is not?"

Most of these guys aren't in the Hall of Fame, most of these guys are chumps. Rose is a totally different argument, he's excluded as a player for his actions as a manager. It's a whole different can of worms.

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"He did not cheat. He bet on HIS team."

HA

4/13/2008 7:51:39 PM

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"Betting on your team as a manager is still an enormous offense. What if a manager has $50k on that night's game but nothing wagered for the next two weeks. His incentive is to win THAT GAME and if that means overworking a starting pitcher, going to his bullpen earlier than normal, stealing with a guy who is getting over a pulled hamstring, etc then so be it."

It baffles me that I never really thought of this in that way. Thanks rally.

4/13/2008 7:55:58 PM

Rose would have been in if he just came out and said a long time ago, I fucked up and I'm sorry. Instead he dragged this shit on forever and then tried to write a book to make money admitting it finally.

I find the who Mitchell report to be such a joke. SO they do this whole report, drag all these players out and make this huge shit about it, then nobody gets punished, and they will test more frequently. So it didn't really accomplish hardly anything at all, it told us a lot of things we already knew, and as long as they don't have a reliable test for HGH it doesn't matter anyway. Just make it legal, if they die at 40 thats their own problem.

4/13/2008 8:03:13 PM

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"It baffles me that I never really thought of this in that way. Thanks rally."

2nd'ed, some great points I never considered, rd

4/13/2008 10:46:57 PM

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"and as long as they don't have a reliable test for HGH it doesn't matter anyway"

They did just develop one. It'll be used at this year's summer Olympics.

You would think that if the union actually wanted the game clean they would be down for more testing. The fact that they won't pass something that's clearly for the good of the game tells me that at least 1/2 of MLB players use some kind of performance enhancing drug.

4/13/2008 11:00:17 PM

Is it a blood test? Unless it is a test that doesn't deal with blood forget it, the union is years away from allowing that at least from the way they have been acting.

4/13/2008 11:04:41 PM

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"Most of these guys aren't in the Hall of Fame, most of these guys are chumps"

Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, the best "hitter" and best "pitcher" of our time are chumps? I obviously meant that guys like these two are still going to get into the HOF even though they cheated.

4/14/2008 2:25:42 AM

I am one of the select few who could care less about steroids. You think they didn't do the shit in the 70's and 80's? Come on. If the pitcher is juiced and the batter is juiced, even playing field. Play ball. I like 100 mph fastballs and 450 ft bombs.

4/14/2008 2:32:19 AM

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"Most of these guys aren't in the Hall of Fame, most of these guys are chumps"

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"Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, the best "hitter" and best "pitcher" of our time are chumps?"

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"Most of these guys aren't in the Hall of Fame, most of these guys are chumps"

4/14/2008 8:04:13 AM

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"I am one of the select few who could care less about steroids. "

Actually I think a lot of people could care less. Judging by the attendance at ballparks I think there are quite a few people who really don't care. I think this is a story that has really been forced on us for a long time by the media.

To be honest, if I was stuck in minor league baseball and there was a way for me to make the jump up to the big leagues, have a chance for lifelong security for me and my family, I'd have a tough time not doing something I knew everyone else was doing.

4/14/2008 8:07:45 AM

COULDN'T CARE LESS

4/14/2008 9:07:25 AM

^ha...but maybe they really COULD care less, they just don't right now.

4/14/2008 9:58:21 AM