some time ago a user asked about interviewing with sageworks, I found that thread but wasn't allowed to reply to it because it was too old.

Sageworks makes ProfitCents, an accounting tool that heps accountants convert data into meaningful explanations.

I know this thread is old, but I just had an experience with Sageworks that I thought may benefit someone who comes in contact with them. This is a description of what happened, it describes the company's mannor and approach with me, as well as the result if you don't like reading you could skip to the last 2 paragraphs

Preface:
I do recruiting, and have so for a few years, it's my job to put people in jobs, through interviews, cold calling, etc.

Sageworks Set Up:
replied to a job posting by them, they contacted me to set up an interview, interview was set up for a quick lunch interview because I am with another employer currently. Was told to bring a resume, had to ask where we were meeting.

Interview:
Showed up for the interview to a large buidling on centerview dr. with no directions to go from there. Called my contact number, got directions to their office. Upon entering was surprised at employee attire, most had on sweat shirts, shorts, tshirts, with a few polo shirts here or there. Comming from my other job with a button down, khakis, and dress shoes I felt over dressed.... this is where it get's ridiculous... some kid with a tshirt asks me who i'm looking for, so I tell him and he goes off to find the guy
So now i'm sitting on a little couch with a bunch of kids wearing tshirts, milling around and some playing ping pong in a corder, One sid of the room has "sageworks" written in graffitti lettering accross a wall, I waited for about 5 minutes. Then the guy comes who I'm supposed to meet, wearing polo and some khakis, I shake his hand we do introductions, and I give him my resume. We walk 10 feet to a computer cluttered conference room and we get a foot in the door when he says "Hey, I'm sorry I can't interview you though without a suit".
I think that by "suit" he means an executive, so I asked him if something fell through, when he explains to me that I needed a suit. Something he neglected to tell me prior, knowing full well I was comming from another job (which doesn't happen to be a suit job). I end up being cought off guard as I stand there out-dressing everyone in the entire office and being told I need a suit on, and we could reschedule.

Result:
Take what you want from that, as a recruiter however it was a very unprofessional maneuver by Sageworks. All information neccesary to an interview should be disclosed ahead of time (without prodding by myself for information like the address), furthurmore if someone shows up to a meeting you conduct the meeting regardless of attire and address it in the meeting, you do not waste someone's time and send them home. I called my contact back that day and explained to him that I didn't think things were going to work out between Sageworks and I.

It really is a shame that such a promising company would conduct business that way, I can only hope/assume that they do not do so regularly

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 12:34 PM. Reason : typo]

4/22/2008 12:31:47 PM

this could get ugly...

[oh wait...we're in the lounge...can't get too ugly]

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 12:36 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2008 12:35:19 PM

from what I hear they have a pretty laid back atmosphere and the sales reps make a good amount of money on the products. I had an interview with them and was offered and accepted a job somewhere else the same day so I didn't really go through the process. It was a decent interview, although it was on State's campus and not at their facilities.

4/22/2008 12:38:46 PM

my old roomate worked there for a year. They have crazy high turnover. Its straight cold calling. And if you do not meet goal you will be fired. They have also been reported to the labor oard for not paying employees overtime. But it is a casual work enviroment.

4/22/2008 12:45:32 PM

Lesson- It is better to be overdressed than undressed for any type of meeting/interview.

4/22/2008 12:49:27 PM

^^ I was comming from another job with it's own dress code. You don't wear suits there, it's casual, if I were going to wear a suit I would have to bring it with me ane change in and out of it, which would make a "quick lunch interview" imposible. If that were the case ahead of time I would have scheduled it for the end of a day or very early in the morning.

AND I was dressed drastically better/professional than anyone in that office including the guy supposed to be interviewing me

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 1:03 PM. Reason : addition]

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 1:03 PM. Reason : addition]

4/22/2008 1:01:58 PM

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you probably shouldn't be working there anyway.

not that there's something wrong with you or your clothes, but that there is something wrong w/ how they treated you. i wouldn't want to work in an environment like that.

but you should work on your spelling

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"I know this thread is old, but I just had an experience with Sageworks that I thought may benefit someone who comes in contact with them. This is a description of what happened, it describes the company's mannor manner and approach with me, as well as the result if you don't like reading you could skip to the last 2 paragraphs Preface: I do recruiting, and have so for a few years, it's my job to put people in jobs, through interviews, cold calling, etc. Sageworks Set Up: replied to a job posting by them, they contacted me to set up an interview, interview was set up for a quick lunch interview because I am with another employer currently. Was told to bring a resume, had to ask where we were meeting. Interview: Showed up for the interview to a large buidling on centerview dr. with no directions to go from there. Called my contact number, got directions to their office. Upon entering was surprised at employee attire, most had on sweat shirts, shorts, tshirts, with a few polo shirts here or there. Comming coming from my other job with a button down, khakis, and dress shoes I felt over dressed.... this is where it get's ridiculous... some kid with a tshirt asks me who i'm looking for, so I tell him and he goes off to find the guy So now i'm sitting on a little couch with a bunch of kids wearing tshirts, milling around and some playing ping pong in a corder, One sid of the room has "sageworks" written in graffitti graffiti lettering accross across a wall, I waited for about 5 minutes. Then the guy comes who I'm supposed to meet, wearing polo and some khakis, I shake his hand we do introductions, and I give him my resume. We walk 10 feet to a computer cluttered conference room and we get a foot in the door when he says "Hey, I'm sorry I can't interview you though without a suit". I think that by "suit" he means an executive, so I asked him if something fell through, when he explains to me that I needed a suit. Something he neglected to tell me prior, knowing full well I was comming coming from another job (which doesn't happen to be a suit job). I end up being cought caught off guard as I stand there out-dressing everyone in the entire office and being told I need a suit on, and we could reschedule. Result: Take what you want from that, as a recruiter however it was a very unprofessional maneuver by Sageworks. All information neccesary necessary to an interview should be disclosed ahead of time (without prodding by myself for information like the address), furthurmore furthermore if someone shows up to a meeting you conduct the meeting regardless of attire and address it in the meeting, you do not waste someone's time and send them home. I called my contact back that day and explained to him that I didn't think things were going to work out between Sageworks and I. It really is a shame that such a promising company would conduct business that way, I can only hope/assume that they do not do so regularly"

there were a couple of other misspellings in there, but i think they're just finger-slips/typos.

4/22/2008 1:15:33 PM

jesus, is it that hard to put a suit in your car and then change in the bathroom or leave work early and change into a suit.


sadly, sageworks will probably still hire you because they will hire anyone as far as i can tell.

and it's straight cold calling and you will get the shittiest district to call as the new guy.

but i hear that if you are good you can make some money.

4/22/2008 1:20:12 PM

this is the internet, not a fucking research paper

4/22/2008 1:21:24 PM

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"if I were going to wear a suit I would have to bring it with me ane change in and out of it, which would make a "quick lunch interview" imposible."

You need to learn how to change faster. This should take no longer than five minutes...which shouldn't ruin your lunch break.

4/22/2008 1:22:35 PM

^^if you're an adult and in college/graduated from college you should be able to spell simple words. hell if you've graduated from elementary school you should be able to spell these words.

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 1:23 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2008 1:23:37 PM

typos happen, if it were a legitimate paper or busines form they would be accounted for... however I didn't realize they would irritate wolf web members so much

anyhow..

changing into a suit in the car:
7.5 minutes into it (eliminate wrinkles get stuff straight, look presentable)
7.5 minutes out of it (keep it clean, keep it hung up, change into other clothes)
15 minutes to drive there
15 minutes to drive back

that's 45 minutes, and doesn't even include the interview. I have a 1 hr lunch break and it's clocked, Just doing a lunch interview was pushing it, 15 minutes of changing time would have been the deal breaker

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2008 1:33:00 PM

so you guys just pretty much gave up on life to "interview" with a cold calling company huh?

4/22/2008 1:33:54 PM

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"7.5 minutes into it (eliminate wrinkles get stuff straight, look presentable) 7.5 minutes out of it (keep it clean, keep it hung up, change into other clothes)"

You can't be serious.

1) Putting a suit on she really take no more than five minutes. Have the tie already tied in the morning (which is what would take the most time).

2) Taking it off should take LESS time. Fuck the wrinkles. And you should honestly just be able to lay it down correctly in your back seat and it shouldn't be that bad.

You need to quit coming up with excuses for the fact that you didn't put on a suit for a fucking interview.

4/22/2008 1:42:03 PM

^^ha h, fine 5 minutes on five off (cuz i still gotta put my regular attire on)

that still is 40 minutes of driving/changing time before the actual interview, which like I said before is pushing it and a deal breaker.

the reason I didn't wear a suit is becuase it was supposed to be a lunch interview, and was not portreyed as a full interview. If I would have been notified of the neccesity of it, like i said before, I would have schduled a different time.

Furthurmore I think it would have been funny to wear a suit, I've never conducted an interview before where the person that was the interviewee looked like the person in charge.

There really is some irony in their uber-casual work environment, coupled with the manditory "wear a suit for the interview" clause, it'll probably be the only suit you ever wear in that office

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 1:51 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2008 1:49:59 PM

^^ Not only that but he could have worn everything to his other job with the exception of the tie and the jacket without arousing any suspicion.

You people

This guy should marry Jen

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 1:52 PM. Reason : asfd]

4/22/2008 1:50:58 PM

its always better to be overdressed than underdressed for any occasion because you can always peel layers off if needs be

4/22/2008 1:55:30 PM

^^another assumption, infact what I wore to my other job was dressier than usual

normally a collar or dressy casual shirt, and khaki's (occaisionally jeans) are worn, so drss slacks, dress shoes, and a dress shirt, would have screemed "hey i'm goign to an interview later"

Jbrick83 and Sputter: are you guys serious? just messing around? or really not understanding of the business world"

there is an implied casual-ness for lunch meetings, it's coffee and a conversation time, not get decked out and serious time. "quick lunch interview" would be a screening interview, most likely the precurser to a more in depth interview that would require formal business attire...

4/22/2008 1:56:02 PM

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"Jbrick83 and Sputter: are you guys serious? just messing around? or really not understanding of the business world" there is an implied casual-ness for lunch meetings, it's coffee and a conversation time, not get decked out and serious time. "quick lunch interview" would be a screening interview, most likely the precurser to a more in depth interview that would require formal business attire..."

I think you are completely misunderstanding the business world.

I don't care if its a 2am interview at the fucking wafflehouse....if the interviewee doesn't tell you that its "business casual" or "casual"...then you wear a fucking suit. If you don't want to come off as an overdressed prick who is trying to hard...then make sure that comes across in your personality.

But once you are out of college and interviewing for "real" jobs...you should ALWAYS wear a suit.

4/22/2008 2:01:25 PM

I would agree that wearing a suit to an interview is generally a proper way to present oneself,

however given, the arrangement presented above, a button down shirt, khaki's, and dress shoes, was not in the least bit out of the ordinary, or to be expected.. and once again iw ill point out that no one in the office had a button down shirt on besides me, so aparently I was overdressed for the environment.

furthurmore the way the situation was handled by sageworks, both before and after the meeting was very unprofessional

and lastly, your classless use of explatives proves your lack of business understanding

4/22/2008 2:06:47 PM

^Look buddy...it's the internet. You complaining about "cursing" is just to make you feel better about not being properly prepared for an interview.

Bottomline:

Was Sageworks in the wrong in this situation?? Probably. Could it have been avoided if you followed common "business-world-knowledge" and worn a suit to an interview?? Yes. End of thread.

4/22/2008 2:08:58 PM

^^look buddy, I'm not complainign about your cursing, it does not bother or offend me.

however if you cannot discuss business is a proper mannor, then what's to make me think you can conduct it properly, or more so have even the slightest clue as to the nature of the business world?

4/22/2008 2:14:46 PM

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"however if you cannot discuss business is a proper mannor"

manner

I would take me cursing on an NC State internet message board over the fact that you have misspelled about every other word in this thread.

I'm not going to make a generalization and say that I have more "business knowledge" than you do...because I have no idea what your experience is (although, given the fact that you were doing a lunch interview with Sageworks probably says enough).

Either way...I hope you learned your lesson and will wear a suit next time.

4/22/2008 2:18:40 PM

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"furthurmore furthermore the way the situation was handled by sageworks, both before and after the meeting was very unprofessional and lastly, your classless use of explatives expletives proves shows your lack of business understanding"

come on man. it's not that hard.

4/22/2008 2:23:33 PM

1) you shouldn't have set up a quickie interview squeezed into your restrictive 1hr max lunch break... especially at a place that is 15 minutes away. Take an afternoon or morning off, and do a proper interview.

2) you always wear a suit for job interviews, period. only exception is if they explicitly tell you not to. if you didn't have time to change into a suit, then see #1.

4/22/2008 2:25:57 PM

Miss spelling a post is not the same as using expletives,

and synapse I agree with you, it was not my idea to do a lunch interview, that was proposed by the person I talked to at sageworks, and like I have said numerous times, if it were not a quick lunch interview, or if it were specifically disclosed that a suit was necessary, a suit would have been worn, and worn at a different interview time.

^^take all that and couple it with their conduct, and then maybe it was a good thing I didn't wear a suit after all.

4/22/2008 2:37:21 PM

this thread is garbage

who the fuck are you anyway

come back when you learn how to make better threads. while posting from your shitty job at sageworks.

4/22/2008 2:39:38 PM

This thread became garbage and got off topic.

Like all things wolf web related, if you post a topic someone will either attack you personally or junk up the thread with nonsense. This thread was supposed to just be a heads up to anyone who goes for an interview with sageworks

4/22/2008 2:41:40 PM

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"Miss spelling a post is not the same as using expletives"

Actually its worse. Me using expletives in a message board where 99% of the people use expletives does not transfer to me using expletives in the business world. I've never cursed in an interview or in a situation where I didn't know how it would be taken.

You misspelling (or mrs. spelling...as you might put it) every other simple word in a post generally shows that you can't spell for shit. And I try not to stereotype, but it basically makes you look less intelligent. And if I were running a company and had you as an employee, I would worry about how it would make me look if I employed someone who couldn't spell common words that 99% of the people in the business world who have had higher-level education should know how to spell.

So you're right. "Miss spelling" is not the same as using expletives. Its worse.

4/22/2008 2:42:20 PM

^^no.. Just no

Message board spelling is not like a business document. Three reaons why you're wrong:

1. Message boards do not require serious user attention
2. Message board posts can not negatively affect someone economically if there is a misspelling
3. Message Boards do not have spell-check as a safeguard

4/22/2008 2:48:50 PM

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"3. Message Boards do not have spell-check as a safeguard"

sure they do, firefox ftw

4/22/2008 2:49:47 PM

^^that's a broswer not a message board

4/22/2008 2:52:17 PM

god someone please just end this guy

4/22/2008 2:52:56 PM

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"Message Boards do not have spell-check as a safeguard"

well no, but web browsers do:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

that being said tho, misspellings don't matter on a message boards that much. they do make you look pretty stupid if you do it trying to call someone else out (esp in the soap box), but besides that it doesn't really matter

4/22/2008 2:53:12 PM

or just go back to the fucking 5th grade and learn how to spell.

4/22/2008 2:56:58 PM

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"Message board spelling is not like a business document. Three reaons why you're wrong: 1. Message boards do not require serious user attention 2. Message board posts can not negatively affect someone economically if there is a misspelling 3. Message Boards do not have spell-check as a safeguard"

Not everything in the business world is done with a Word document first. The fact that you can't spell will come out at some point (if it already hasn't). I can always "not curse"...but you'll never be a decent speller.

4/22/2008 2:58:00 PM

Agent 0: you're the kind of poster that makes threads garbage, you have not offered anything useful the whole time. Even though I don't agree with jbrick83 he atleast offers a point of view with a purpose

Synapse and CalledToArms: I use firefox at home, it's a good program and I'm a big fan, I can't load it onto this system though

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2008 3:00:45 PM

and Jbrick83: I type on a message board I don't try to spell, I also don't proof read and edit because it isn't worth my time. Subsequently ALOT of things in the business world are done with Microsoft products (sadly) which all incorporate spell check

4/22/2008 3:03:13 PM

you should be able to spell all of those words WITHOUT needing spell check

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2008 3:04:00 PM

welcome to sageworks

would you like to buy our shitty product?

*click*


awwwwwwwww

4/22/2008 3:04:27 PM

I'm with sdatgc, expecting a suit for a lunch interview seems pretty unreasonable

also, as i read this all i could think was

I'm not your buddy, friend.

also, when referring to the post above yours, its ^, not ^^

^^ is for two posts above yours

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ^]

4/22/2008 3:05:46 PM

HAHA, I CALLED HIM OUT ON HIS SPELLING!!

4/22/2008 3:08:37 PM

ibtl

4/22/2008 3:13:29 PM

^^^haha, it looked like he was talking to himself

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM. Reason : h]

4/22/2008 3:19:12 PM

agent 0: i clearly don't work for sageworks, you obviously didn't read the initial post or are a complete moron, or both

and se7entythree: there is a difference between typing words wrong and not knowing how to spell them, even though the finish product could look the same; I type stuff incorrectly, your assumption is wrong

4/22/2008 3:19:15 PM

whether or not spelling is important on TWW is debatable, but one things is for sure, your spelling and grammar makes you sound stupid.

4/22/2008 3:20:58 PM

NO I GET THAT YOU DONT WORK THERE

BUT YOU WANTED TO

THATS THE HILARIOUS PART

4/22/2008 3:21:43 PM

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"I type stuff incorrectly, your assumption is wrong"

You misspell way too many words for it to just be typing stuff incorrectly. You can also look at the way the word is spelled and tell whether or not it was spelled or typed incorrectly.

You just can't spell. Just make sure you run everything through Microsoft Word before you send it out if it doesn't already have spellcheck.

4/22/2008 3:22:42 PM

^^^^ *finished

a typo is understandable and usually obvious...like typing buidling instead of building. not knowing how to spell produces things like "comming" and "furthurmore" over and over again.

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2008 3:22:44 PM

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" but one things is for sure, your spelling and grammar makes you sound stupid"

YOU'RE SO STUPID!!

4/22/2008 3:22:59 PM