http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

this is up for consideration in north carolina. i'm in support of popular vote, but i don't think this is the right way to go about implementing it. the way it works is: if any combination of states representing a majority of the electoral votes (270) passes the bill, then those states agree to give ALL of their electoral votes to whichever candidate wins the popular vote nationwide, and therefore that candidate wins the presidency. so if the rest of the states don't agree to use that method, too bad. sounds unfair to me. i think it'd be better if each state decided to change the way it distributes its electoral votes on its own, or if we could pass a constitutional amendment and just get rid of the electoral college.

5/31/2008 1:50:47 AM

only thing i dont like about the popular vote are the dumb and racist states such as kentucky and west virginia

5/31/2008 2:02:30 AM

It is so ironic that you call someone dumb....

You should stick to Chit Chat.

5/31/2008 3:00:22 AM

i find it ironic that some n00b tells me this...way to contribute

5/31/2008 3:50:31 AM

I like the electoral college. The founding fathers were alot smarter than most people today, they knew what they were doing. IMO

5/31/2008 8:02:29 AM

i like superdelegates

5/31/2008 9:39:11 AM

I like pie.

5/31/2008 9:49:01 AM

Eliminate parties. Eliminate primaries. Just put everyone who gets enough signatures on the ballet in November, even if that means dozens of presidential candidates. Popular vote decides winner.

States don't really matter any more, and there's certainly no such thing as state's rights, so just eliminate them entirely from the federal election process.

States would still be responsible for facilitating voting, but voting machines and practices should be standardized nation wide, computerized with a paper receipt.

Anything less is not democracy, and this country is currently not a democracy. It is an oligarchy, controlled primarily by party leadership.

[Edited on May 31, 2008 at 11:45 AM. Reason : .]

5/31/2008 11:39:39 AM

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"I like the electoral college."

Me too. That's why I'm moving to Wyoming, where my vote counts 15 times what it would if I were to move to California.

5/31/2008 12:34:02 PM

lol if u want to live in those 2 states suit yourself

5/31/2008 1:17:31 PM

^^sorry.....some of us dont like a large overbearing federal government. The US has always been a Republic and should remain so. States rights are what this country was founded on, and I want it to continue.

I like the electorial college also. If the election was done by popular vote, a yankee or californian would win nearly every time.

5/31/2008 4:21:06 PM

FWIW, there have only been two elections in history where the winner of the popular vote didn't jive with the Electoral College result.

If it ain't broke...

5/31/2008 4:25:22 PM

satisfaction with the system is directly related to whether or not the candidate you support wins.

5/31/2008 4:33:08 PM

Quote :

"only thing i dont like about the popular vote are the dumb and racist states such as kentucky and west virginia"

Their votes will only be worth 3/5 of a vote.

5/31/2008 4:34:20 PM

Quote :

"^^sorry.....some of us dont like a large overbearing federal government. The US has always been a Republic and should remain so. States rights are what this country was founded on, and I want it to continue. I like the electorial college also. If the election was done by popular vote, a yankee or californian would win nearly every time."

I can't argue with your baseless claim that the popular vote's implementation would have a direct correlation to an overbearing federal government until you defend your baseless claims regarding the necessity of religion in the history of marriage in this thread

5/31/2008 4:43:27 PM

This thread

has never

been done 

5/31/2008 6:31:54 PM

I don't like how any of you assholes think that by scribbling on some pieces of paper you can sign over all my rights, all my property and even my very person, bound as a slave, to be disposed of as your man sees fit.

That's not liberty, that's not justice, that's criminal insanity.

Right now its about 300 million to one, so I can't exactly stop you, but I'm going to call your cannibalistic ass out on it.

Someday, however, the divine right of majorities is going to seem about as silly to most people as the divine right of kings seems to people today.

Fuck democracy, and all its various incarnations and derivatives.

5/31/2008 6:59:31 PM

Thread about national popular vote legislation:

http:///message_topic.aspx?topic=526271

5/31/2008 7:10:45 PM

then the large population states control everything

no sir, i dont like it

6/1/2008 9:34:14 PM

Quote :

"only thing i dont like about the popular vote are the dumb and racist states such as kentucky and west virginia"

but with the current system, the dumb racists decide where ALL of those electoral votes go. with a popular vote, the opposing voters that do exist in those states would be heard as well.

6/5/2008 12:36:19 PM

I say we put this to a vote...and we let the electoral college decide

6/5/2008 12:38:23 PM

i got some email yesterday asking me to sign the petition for this. if you're going to support the popular vote then it would make sense to abolish the senate and only have congress. popular vote would absolutely exclude states such as rhode island, maine, new hampshire, obviously the smaller states. i'm not a fan of this. the system as it stands serves to provide a check (or at least attempts to, it could certainly be improved) so that the states with smaller populations do not get run over by the larger ones

6/5/2008 12:38:29 PM

congress and senate make sense when you want to protect the rights of the minority, but the role of the majority should be heard when it comes to something like the presidency.

6/5/2008 12:45:10 PM

maybe, but then you would see presidents spending even less time campaigning in these states. why pick up 4 small states when you can just get texas and move on, ya know?

6/5/2008 12:47:36 PM

The opposite question is just as valid - why should a presidential candidate campaign somewhere with massive amounts of people whose vote is worth less than some farmer who lives out in the middle of nowhere and has the equivalent of 8-10 peoples votes in another, more populated state.

6/5/2008 12:50:09 PM

I'd rather have the election decided on national issues and not some local issue from Miami-Dade county. With the popular vote, you'd at least get presidents campaigning in States like North Carolina, Georgia, unlike now where they do not bother to show their faces, already knowing the outcome.

6/5/2008 12:51:32 PM

^touche

i'm about sick and tired of people voting for the president who will try and specifically get them their job. that's their local politicans' job. president is our international leader/ambassador. he's supposed to be concerned with direction, virtue and ideals. not whether or not 10000 people in ohio lost their jobs.

[Edited on June 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM. Reason : jank]

6/5/2008 12:53:12 PM