what kinda shit do you see happening? this is kinda what drives me to vote for him...i'd say if theres any one thing that makes me say "i am voting for barack obama" its "god i'd love to see how people react" and a lot of times that will be followed by "i'm gonna say 'ha-ha' to every die hard conservative"


and then part of me wonders about the extreme white, err i mean right, and how they will react...part of me hopes there are riots and shit(which i will discuss if the time comes in this thread)...i think it would be good for america...would let the world know we take ourselves seriously i guess...after the riots everyone would be like "damn, we sure learned our lesson"


anyone else see any kinda crazyness happening if obama wins? if mccain wins i think its gonna stay pretty similar to how it is currently(kinda sucky)

6/25/2008 11:24:13 PM

if he gets elected, it's going to be a tough first term - trying to get us out of this war, dealing with a shitty economy, dealing with a horrible housing market. he will spend 2-3 years just trying to get us back to where we were a couple years ago, and he will get blamed for a lot of shit that he inherited

6/25/2008 11:28:33 PM

I am really hoping he follows through on his promises for meaningful political reform.

6/25/2008 11:47:39 PM

There aren't going to be riots by white people or any other people. And I don't think after he gets elected, anyone will make a big deal about him being half black.

I do think providing more attainable health care for the poor of America will help them take financial risks they otherwise wouldn't have (because at the very least they could have their health) will reverse the trend of poverty and help reduce the economic divide Republican policies have created*, which I think will put us on the path to eliminating the social security system as we know it. This is the main reason I think Obama would be good, because making the poor less poor, and particularly the blacks, is going to have a lot of other positive effects domestically that will hopefully help bring the 2 parties closer together.

* http://www.eurotrib.com/files/3/051014_US_poverty_rate_and_numbers.jpg

6/26/2008 12:20:19 AM

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" This is the main reason I think Obama would be good, because making the poor less poor, and particularly the blacks, is going to have a lot of other positive effects domestically that will hopefully help bring the 2 parties closer together."

The President does not have the power to do what you suggest. The great society tried, but it turns out even massive transfer payments did not make them substantially wealthier. Giving them free healthcare would still leave them poor, just they now had free healthcare and do not need to bother affording it.

6/26/2008 1:03:18 AM

^ Did you click the graph?
http://www.eurotrib.com/files/3/051014_US_poverty_rate_and_numbers.jpg

If you look at the downward cycle there at around 92, that was caused by welfare reforms that were enacted. So the president clearly can affect policy that helps or discourages segments of society.

6/26/2008 4:56:11 PM

Out of curiosity, what is the sample population of that graph? Because if you include recent Hispanic immigrants, that would skew the poverty numbers upwards.

Also, to assume that something as narrow as welfare reform had a significant impact on the economy, ignoring the other driving factors of the internet bubble and globalization is to have an awfully simplistic view of the economy.

6/26/2008 5:02:16 PM

^ The hispanic population has been rising steadily, it wouldn't have that effect in the graph.

And the graph shows just poverty, so something like welfare reform is going to have a meaningful effect on a graph like that.

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6/26/2008 5:10:26 PM

I think he would be a great outward face for the nation. Seriously, Europe, the rest of the developed world, and most of the developing world all love him.

Maybe he should just go on a perpetual diplomatic joyride trip and leave someone else here to run the country.

6/26/2008 5:15:12 PM

^ people liking you is a significant component to people working with you.

6/26/2008 5:31:42 PM

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"If you look at the downward cycle there at around 92, that was caused by welfare reforms that were enacted. So the president clearly can affect policy that helps or discourages segments of society."

What welfare reform in 1992 are you referring to?

Shit didn't happen until 1994-96.

The downward trend in poverty rates during the '90s coincided with an economic boom. Same with the trend under Reagan in the '80s. Same with the 60's. The market plays a much greater part in poverty rates than anything the President can do, and that's plain as day in the graph you provided.

Your left-leaning bias really clouds your vision sometimes, moron.

6/26/2008 6:58:54 PM

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"I think he would be a great outward face for the nation. "

i think this can't be overstated.

After 8 years of Captain Dipshit as the face of our country, having an articulate, energetic, liberal (and, honestly - black/minority) leader will immediately restore a ton of lost credibility, or at least likability, that has been lost over the last decade.

Of course, all the isolationists will shrug this off as not important, "who the fuck cares what the rest of the world thinks - we can do whatever we want", but I very much look forward to it.

6/26/2008 7:53:06 PM

plus:

black people can never play the race card again if we have a black president.

AND

it certainly would make the muslim world happy.

both extremely important issues to consider.

6/26/2008 8:11:18 PM

plus why should republicans stay in power anyways...not like they have the best track record lately

6/26/2008 8:37:44 PM

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"black people can never play the race card again if we have a black president."

Oh horseshit.

6/26/2008 8:49:45 PM

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"I think he would be a great outward face for the nation. Seriously, Europe, the rest of the developed world, and most of the developing world all love him."

I doubt that will last too long. Sooner or later he's going to make decisions that will piss people off. A country the size and influence of the United States, even in a weakened position, can't step without crushing someone's toes.

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"f he gets elected, it's going to be a tough first term - trying to get us out of this war, dealing with a shitty economy, dealing with a horrible housing market."

In all honesty, I think the war is already on a trajectory towards the end. With the Iraqi Army and Police becoming more and more assertive, they'll soon become large enough where the next President can quickly withdrawal while leaving just enough of a government in place to satisfy the "you broke it, you fix it" crowd. A corrupt and dysfunctional government with many enemies, but an Iraqi government nevertheless.

6/26/2008 9:06:18 PM

This tread really, really makes me sad to be part of this generation.......you all are more concerned with how the candidates look and talk than the message behind it.

I'd be willing to bet that almost everyone in this thread is voting a straight ticket democrat.....you all dont care about the individual candidate, only the D's.

6/26/2008 10:07:26 PM

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"This tread really, really makes me sad to be part of this generation.......you all are more concerned with how the candidates look and talk than the message behind it."

oh look, someone dissing Obama for "not having a message" *NEW*!!

6/26/2008 10:34:06 PM

id vote for a black dude if he:

1. supported individual freedom - ie. capitalism and free market enterprise - which includes health care, fuel, etc.

2. supported tax reform - particularly lowering estate taxes, other double taxation situations, and abolishing graduated taxes.

3. never once mentioned his race. EVER. This is why I am a Tiger Woods fan - best golfer ever and race is not ever an issue with Tiger. Obama has already brought up race many times (black fathers anyone?)

Since when is Obama the spokesman for black people? I thought that honor was exclusive to Jesse Jackson and his entourage.

But Obama would be a huge mistake - I would love a young black guy to be pres if he had Ron Paul's views - would be a huge statement.

Wow - a liberal black dude - what a huge revelation.

6/26/2008 10:45:35 PM

Morality will go down hill twice as fast as it is now because liberals will be able to force their way of thinking on decent americans. Wait, that happens all the time now on MTV and the other TV and newspapers.

Political correctness will be at an all time high, everyone will loose their own opinions and be forced to think like everyone else and if you don't then you will be looked down upon. Wait, that already happens now in the PC controlled media run by the liberals. Taxes will go twice as high as they are now because us hardworkin americans will have to start supporting the hoodrats in the ghetto who sell crack all day and don't work.

The mexicans will overrun our country because the border will be open and crime will skyrocket because police will be helpless to prosecute people who aren't citizens of the US. A time-table will be set to get out of Iraq, the enemy will wait until we leave then overthrow the govt. that is set up now. We will be forced to go back into Iraq and help them stabalize the country. This will lead to many thousands more dead americans than if we had just stayed longer and held the course. Coffee shops will spring up all over the place because people will think the govt. will take care of them and they can sit around and not work all day.



^ They talk about him being black and overcomming the odds of not being able to play on a golf course all the time. And I've heard him mention the obstacles that he overcame several times from him being black. He might not say it much now but he's said it many times before.

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[Edited on June 26, 2008 at 10:56 PM. Reason : Spaces]

6/26/2008 10:51:55 PM

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6/26/2008 10:52:52 PM

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"Morality will go down hill twice as fast as it is now because liberals will be able to force their way of thinking on decent americans."

hmm, yeah..... that's probably true. before long, we'll all be having gay sex, abortions will be required, and the world God will be banished from the English language

6/26/2008 11:20:33 PM

beergolftile just strikes me as a closet racist

[Edited on June 27, 2008 at 12:30 AM. Reason : at least that one post...not a big deal really...not even worth replying to honestly]

6/27/2008 12:30:38 AM

It doesn't strike me as racist. He laid out what kind of candidate he likes and added that he doesn't want one who uses his race as a selling point.

I'm of the same opinion, actually. Except for the Ron Paul bit.

6/27/2008 12:48:27 AM

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"Taxes will go twice as high as they are now because us hardworkin americans will have to start supporting the hoodrats in the ghetto who sell crack all day and don't work. "

thread like this bring out all the geniuses in the land

6/27/2008 4:47:58 PM

still, i'm blaming all my problems on the black man holding me down if he gets it.

6/27/2008 4:55:52 PM

so lets say Obama does win...

maybe the Lane Evans Act, introduced into the Senate this year by Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and himself gets passed.

maybe we finish the job in Afghanistan once and for all instead of starting another war for oil -- i know i'd like to see my buddy Chris come home. and i'll know my cousin's service with the Marines (who is one of only 4 name carrying males in left my family) was not in vain.

yeah, maybe a few leftists social policies get through -- but i tell you what will NOT happen even if we get a fully leftist congress in addition to Barrack. we will NOT descend into the specter of communism. it seems near every election all the low IQ neanderthals come out of their caves and become the incarnation of Joe McCarthy. i am never surprised by it, but it doesn't cease to sicken me nonetheless.



[Edited on June 27, 2008 at 5:07 PM. Reason : damn you retards]

6/27/2008 5:06:59 PM

I can only see good things coming from Obama's presidency.

6/27/2008 5:12:00 PM

Nothing major will change, this guy is just another politician like all the rest. He talks about change, but his actions are no different than his peers. Hell, he is a lot less likely to cross party lines to get things done than either Clinton or Bush. Partisan all the way.

6/27/2008 6:05:58 PM

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"Morality will go down hill twice as fast as it is now because liberals will be able to force their way of thinking on decent americans."

Not only is morality a personal decision / obligation, but elected representatives reflect the moral permissiveness of those who elected them . . . and considering the recent crop of "moral perversion" and questionable ethics by Republicans, it is hard to argue that the Democratic party has a lock on that position.

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"Political correctness will be at an all time high, everyone will loose their own opinions and be forced to think like everyone else and if you don't then you will be looked down upon."

Thank God we don't currently have an administration that implies that political disagreement is tantamount to sympathy for the enemy.

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"The mexicans will overrun our country because the border will be open"

Um, this already happened. And of course big-business Republicans have no desire for cheap foreign labor. Right.

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"Coffee shops will spring up all over the place because people will think the govt. will take care of them and they can sit around and not work all day."

This is probably the most plausible outcome of all of your predictions. That and a boom in Crepes a Go-go.

6/27/2008 6:07:21 PM

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"bigun20: This tread really, really makes me sad to be part of this generation.......you all are more concerned with how the candidates look and talk than the message behind it."

oh, shut the fuck up. you're a goddamned ignorant fool

Ronald Reagan -- first hollywood actor runs for president.
John F. Kennedy -- first to employ television producers as personal consultants
Franklin D. Roosevelt -- took great pains to rig and hide his wheelchair so to appear standing
Warren G. Harding -- first to use hollywood actors and newsreels to promote his candidacy




[Edited on June 27, 2008 at 8:11 PM. Reason : ]

6/27/2008 8:07:49 PM

I think bigun20 is probably the second dumbest person that regularly posts in The Soap Box.

6/27/2008 8:18:16 PM

[Edited on June 27, 2008 at 10:02 PM. Reason : that was a troll post, i recant]

6/27/2008 10:00:33 PM

Ya'll people aren't even worth the time to type a response, so I won't waste my time but I will say one thing.


^^^ You my friend have no idea what you are talking about. All the people you listed, we knew their policies and they had spelled out a plan as to how they were going to do the things that they have said. Obama hasn't spelled out anything about how he is gonna do his big change. All he says is we are gonna do this and that but he doesn't have a clue how to or else he would debate with Mccain. The reason he doesn't debate is because he will get eat alive by his own sorry policies that he can't back up. The liberal media simply pushed him because they liked the way he talks and he can be run by interest groups. And nice use of the GD by the way.......way to elaborate your point.

[Edited on June 27, 2008 at 10:07 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 27, 2008 at 10:10 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2008 10:07:28 PM

the interest groups comment is cute

the debates will come hoss, dont worry obama will make mccain look like a fool

6/27/2008 10:09:39 PM

Doubtful, Obama is a powerful speaker, but not a top-notch debater. What is more likely is that McCain will make himself look like a fool trying to appeal to the conservative base instead of sticking to his principles.

Either way, bigun, I've said it before and I'm happy to repeat it again. Politics is about selling a personality, not about policy. And trust me, I do know what I'm talking about.

6/27/2008 10:51:12 PM

i think you are agreeing with me without agreeing with me...either way obama is gonna definitely trump mccain in the debates imo

6/27/2008 10:58:12 PM

I'm a man of precise wording Josh . . . it actually can make me a very difficult man to get along with. I'm not disagreeing with your general premise, just the proximate causes of the net effect.

6/27/2008 11:07:41 PM

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"This is the main reason I think Obama would be good, because making the poor less poor, and particularly the blacks, is going to have a lot of other positive effects domestically that will hopefully help bring the 2 parties closer together."

Oh, bullshit. The poor won't get "less poor." They'll stay poor. The middle class, however, WILL become poorer. That is what always happens with socialist policies.

6/27/2008 11:41:16 PM

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"I think he would be a great outward face for the nation. Seriously, Europe, the rest of the developed world, and most of the developing world all love him."

What past president that was worth his weight was loved by other countries? I am curious to know.....

And how exactly do the "developing" countries even know who Barack Obama is?

6/28/2008 12:24:34 AM

lol omg i am so salivating at the mouth to say ha-ha to my conservative friends

6/28/2008 12:42:19 AM

wow. great reason to vote for a guy. so you can laugh at other people. no wonder this country is fucked.

Seriously, if it wouldn't be so blatantly used in a bad way, I would whole-heartedly support the use of IQ and common-sense tests to invalidate voters such as you.

6/28/2008 12:44:47 AM

What's funny is DNL contradicts himself so much in TSB.....

He continually says how could anyone vote for McCain and then later in another thread says he likes McCain and would consider voting for him and likes him.

6/28/2008 1:00:58 AM

i can see myself saying i'm gonna vote for obama but then going mccain in the booth

6/28/2008 8:51:02 PM

i can see you forgetting to show up.

6/29/2008 11:04:43 AM

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" What past president that was worth his weight was loved by other countries? I am curious to know....."

kennedy.

6/29/2008 11:34:33 AM

bill clinton

6/29/2008 11:53:57 AM

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"What is more likely is that McCain will make himself look like a fool trying to appeal to the conservative base instead of sticking to his principles."

I used to like McCain about 8 years ago when he was vying for the nomination against Bush, but ever since he lost, he's just seemed more concerned with party politics than his own.

6/29/2008 12:32:50 PM

I'm rather looking forward to the McCain-Obama debates actually.

6/29/2008 12:36:12 PM

http://www.local6.com/news/16738523/detail.html

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"ORLANDO, Fla. -- Vandals spray-painted "Obama Smokes Crack" and other hate messages on 60 city vehicles parked across the street from City Hall in downtown Orlando. Investigators said the vandals painted the messages -- which appear to be politically motivated -- after dark Saturday night. A passing motorist initially spotted the damage and called police. "I'm driving by and every car I see has been hit with spray paint," witness Mike Lowe said. "There is so much damage to them. There are messages written on them and the vandals left their business card, which is crazy." Special business cards left near the damaged vehicles contained negative messages about Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain. However, there were positive words about Sen. Hillary Clinton, Local 6's Kimberly Houk reported."

Cars are vandalized, bad things are written about McCain and Obama, yet the headline is about "Obama Hate Messages". Shit like that bothers me.

6/29/2008 2:28:28 PM