http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/07/03/brilbeck.100mpg.car.wnwo

7/3/2008 7:26:48 AM

fuck yeah.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM. Reason : 3 seconds? hm]

7/3/2008 7:35:19 AM

yeah, just saw it on cnn and was like "WTF?" 3 seconds is a laugh.

7/3/2008 7:50:32 AM

SNAKE OIL!!!!

7/3/2008 8:40:55 AM

psshhh

He's done some work on that car though if he's getting 110 mpg's for 400hp @ 500 lbs. How is that possible, anyone know?

Does he pressurize the gas? making it thinner when it shoots? I'm kinda puzzled.

7/3/2008 8:46:07 AM

this came out of nowhere...in my mind

Quote :

"BRAKE SPECIFIC FUEL CONSUMPTION"

(nothing relevant... carry on)

7/3/2008 8:58:46 AM

^ are you kidding? engines with those kind of numbers have been around forever. It's this huge conspiracy between all the car and oil companies to keep cars underpowered and inefficient. All those fancy accessories thay have been installing lately, like those god danged gas-gullzing fuel injector wizardry, and them power-robbing Vtach valve ajdustment machanisms, they all designed to get as much of that gasoline into your engine as possible. And you know where gasoline comes from? from them there Airabs! When was the last tiem you saw a carburator on a production car? Or even a good ole fuel magnet? See, it's all a conspiracy. In fact my buddy Earl has a 3-second el Camino that gets 150mpg and it also runs on water gas.

7/3/2008 9:00:47 AM

^^^no way it's doing it in any kind of "real" way. you really think some slowblack96 is going to be the technological cure to all our fuel problems with the acceleration of an outlaw drag car? that's from the 40's? right. scam, scam, and some snake oil all over it. if it's legitimate, i'll donate all my cars to charity and just get a flying pig to use.

the only thing special this guy is doing is running e85. probably thinks he's a genius for figuring out what an ideal and cheap alternative it is for performance vehicles that like race gas.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:05 AM. Reason : ^haha, the classic water gas...]

7/3/2008 9:03:03 AM

I guess I'm still noobish when it comes to car history, I've heard of the conspiracy about dumping fuel into the engine and it being able to be more efficient than the car compaines make them, but not up to 110 or 150 mpg's!!!! That blows me away. Lemme get one

7/3/2008 9:24:37 AM

The only way to cheat really with an engine is to do direct injection because you can inject the fuel late enough to not have to worry about any pre-ignition... so you can run higher compression and leaner air/fuel ratios and even then you only gain a little mpg. That thing had what appeared to be a nice drag racing style carb on it which would do no such thing.

The only think i can think of is that it is a kind of word play and the car gets 110 miles per gallon of gasoline since its running e85 which is only 15% gasoline that would give it 16.5 MPG which would be about average for a built mustang running E85.

+ i can see this dumbass' dad mixing corn liquor with gasoline in the 40s

7/3/2008 9:43:31 AM

Quote :

"Currently E85 is about 5-10% less expensive in most areas.[6] More than 20 fueling stations across the Midwest are selling E85 25%-40% cheaper than gasoline.[7] E85 also gets less MPG, at least in flex fuel vehicles. In one test, a Chevy Tahoe flex-fuel vehicle averaged 18 MPG [U.S. gallons] for gasoline, and 13 MPG for E85, or 28% fewer MPG than gasoline. In that test, the cost of gas averaged $3.42, while the cost for E85 averaged $3.09, or 90% the cost of gasoline.[8][9]"

^Got that off of a wiki and it sounds reasonable, and is a little bit dated, but I still don't see how he is running E85 and getting those results. I know it does have a higher octane though like in the 100's and so. I'm kinda wanting to see exactly what it is that he did.

P.S. I really don't give a shit about saving gas really. Hell I drive a damn town car gettin 20 mpg with premium. It is what it is, I'm just curious.

7/3/2008 9:57:17 AM

oh, you can bet your ass there is better technology out there. probably nothing outrageous, at least that could be used in normal cars. people have made new or existing engines super fuel efficient, the problem comes in keeping enough power to drag the vehicle around safely. there's also a lot of alternative fuel technology/advancements that get stamped out. usually people are just bought out. like this guy, if he really had anything serious he'd have never made it to cnn. some oil company would have waved a check in his face for a few million to buy it from him or otherwise ruin it long ago.

there are lots of people really into improving the gas mileage on their personal cars that do all sorts of things. engine tweaks, aero changes, etc. and document things as scientifically as possible. there's a pretty popular forum for it, but i can't think of it off hand. maybe Quinn knows, he seems to keep up with a lot of that. guys with geos and stripped out civic hf's getting 50-60mpg.

anyone would be pretty stupid not to sell out though, i sure as hell don't care to have some of the biggest corporations in the world and the federal government breathing down my neck.

it's all a big scam though. like Igor said, all this fancy new technology is marketed to us stupid consumers, we go crazy over it as gas prices rise, and everyone gets rich. don't forget how heavily backed both the oil and automotive industry are by the government. hell, sometimes it's not even new technology they dangle in our faces. cylinder deactivation was first brought out in the early 80's. how much easier does it get for them?

i think the oil industry will see it's day of reckoning eventually like big tobacco has. imo, it's still years away but will happen in our lifetime. that's about like speculating what the weather will be for today in 10 years. obviously it won't be quite the same as tobacco with oil being international. which gives me an interesting thought... i wonder if we'll see the point of wrongful death lawsuits and the like as a result of pollution against automakers and oil companies...?

7/3/2008 10:01:19 AM

^^lets say he's got a 20 gallon tank. 15% of that is 3 gallons, which is the gas. assume he gets an avg. of 15mpg over the whole tank. that's 300 miles. so, he went 300 miles only using 3 gallons of gas. that's 100mpg.

bingo, myth busted.

7/3/2008 10:06:14 AM

^ haha dude... i said that already just not as clearly

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 10:08:47 AM

ahhhhh, making more sense now...thanks Ram.

Oh so ok he is using 3 gallons of gas right...but now the fucking price of food is going to go up using all that GD corn for production...am I wrong. If everyone used e85 my future backyard ( i don't own a home) would be a cornfield.

What a whirlybird of a cycle it is.

7/3/2008 10:14:01 AM

^^pretty sure i eluded to it first. thanks for playing though.

Quote :

"the only thing special this guy is doing is running e85."

^yes, theoretically since e85 is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline he would have 3 gallons (give or take a bit) assuming a 20 gallon tank. i was just using my numbers on volume and mileage as an educated guess to explain it.

e85 is at best just a supplemental alternative fuel from what i've read. even if we turned every field in america to corn, it still wouldn't be enough to support us. ethanol can be derived from other things though, so i guess it's possible that could change in the future.

fyi, we're all probably getting this "magic" mileage increase. many stations dispense e10 as their summer blend.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 10:20 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 10:21 AM. Reason : yes, you're right... it's a viscous cycle. just paying for it and polluting somewhere else.]

7/3/2008 10:14:12 AM

Quote :

"^ are you kidding? engines with those kind of numbers have been around forever. It's this huge conspiracy between all the car and oil companies to keep cars underpowered and inefficient. All those fancy accessories thay have been installing lately, like those god danged gas-gullzing fuel injector wizardry, and them power-robbing Vtach valve ajdustment machanisms, they all designed to get as much of that gasoline into your engine as possible. And you know where gasoline comes from? from them there Airabs! When was the last tiem you saw a carburator on a production car? Or even a good ole fuel magnet? See, it's all a conspiracy. In fact my buddy Earl has a 3-second el Camino that gets 150mpg and it also runs on water gas."

The sad part is, I got almost that exact lecture from a mechanic at Campus Auto on Hillsborough street a couple weeks ago when I took my car there for an inspection. We got to talking about cars (he's a Ford guy) and he just starts rambling on about how old carburated V8's have better emissions than modern cars and that there's a conspiracy to keep mpg down. If the automakers wanted a 40mpg car, they could just make the computers do it, but they are in league with the oil companies or something.

7/3/2008 11:03:24 AM

anyone want to mod my computer

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 11:05 AM. Reason : cnn: lincoln town car gets 93 mpg!!! ]

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 11:05 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 11:04:41 AM

CNN will kick itself when they figure this shit out... "Fuck we were just rickrolled".

7/3/2008 12:19:58 PM

Quote :

"there are lots of people really into improving the gas mileage on their personal cars that do all sorts of things. engine tweaks, aero changes, etc. and document things as scientifically as possible. there's a pretty popular forum for it, but i can't think of it off hand. maybe Quinn knows, he seems to keep up with a lot of that. guys with geos and stripped out civic hf's getting 50-60mpg."

gassavers.org
ecomodder.com

7/3/2008 12:43:33 PM

word, gassavers was the one i was thinking about.

7/3/2008 1:42:12 PM

Quote :

""^ are you kidding? engines with those kind of numbers have been around forever. It's this huge conspiracy between all the car and oil companies to keep cars underpowered and inefficient. All those fancy accessories thay have been installing lately, like those god danged gas-gullzing fuel injector wizardry, and them power-robbing Vtach valve ajdustment machanisms, they all designed to get as much of that gasoline into your engine as possible. And you know where gasoline comes from? from them there Airabs! When was the last tiem you saw a carburator on a production car? Or even a good ole fuel magnet? See, it's all a conspiracy. In fact my buddy Earl has a 3-second el Camino that gets 150mpg and it also runs on water gas.""

gg i cant beleive you guyst took that seriously. i was just trolling, giving my best impression of ignant backwoods m0chanic/conspiracy theorist. i don't REALLY beleive there's a conspiracy, i think it's clear this car along with any other 100mpg conversions out there is just a hoax, and i doubt that any internal-combustion production cars be getting this kind of gas mileage any time soon simply because it would be too much trade-off between fuel economy vs. safety, comfort, and utility. so there

7/3/2008 6:38:05 PM

I think a car could get 100mpg w/an internal combustion engine today. There are models in production that hit 60+mpg today.

It's not economically feasible to make such car as it's production cost would be too high to sell to it's "target" audience (that being those who're willing to sacrifice a lot to gain the fuel mileage increase, to whom one can only assume that initial purchase price would also be a significant factor).

7/3/2008 6:46:49 PM

Ahmet.

7/3/2008 6:48:28 PM

yeah, what's with Ahmet slacking on not saying his own name?

Anyhow, I do think Europeans would be willing to spend the premium for vehicles that get triple digit mpg numbers.

7/3/2008 6:56:04 PM

If people were willing to drive really really slow, tiny, and dangerous cars like they did in the 70s and 80s for gas mileage then we could probably have a lot greater mileage today in our shitboxes. People just want safety now and some room to fit stuff, with features like power locks. I just hate it when politicians bitch about how gas mileage hasn't improved much over the years, and the fact is that now you can get similar gas mileage as you did 20 years ago but you don't have to make so many sacrifices in comfort and safety.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 6:58:06 PM

I've started not signing my name for two reasons:
1: A lot of you care so much, and with my user name being the same on this message board, no reason to not accommodate you.
2: It takes up less space.

As for mpg goes, I routinely average 3-4mpg higher than my girlfriend driving the "same" (average) speed on the highway, driving the same car. I generally average about 18mpg on my M3 even though I could (and have) easily get mid 20s, but not if I'm having any fun. I personally do believe that 100mpg is within the realm of possibilities if people made it enough of a priority when looking for a car.

7/3/2008 7:13:39 PM

^

18 is pretty bad!

It has a 6 speed right.

7/3/2008 8:26:03 PM

18 mpg hwy on an m3? or is that mixed with some city?

7/4/2008 6:47:42 AM

18mpg is my mixed average. That's actually not bad (and much better than what I get in my Volvo 850 Turbo), because I drive rather hard, and often. The U.S. spec e36 cars all have 5 speed transmissions, and their gearing is wonderfully short-->if you're on track.

7/4/2008 1:38:32 PM

You do get the benefit of the most efficient engine braking i've ever seen. At least helps for stops!

7/4/2008 1:58:06 PM

http://www.ecomodder.com/blog/2008/07/06/amazing-110-mpg-mustang-runs-on-hot-air-and-cattle-manure/

7/7/2008 10:36:00 AM