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DonkeyButt
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I have posted many times before about having meets to have people help me with me with working on my 240sx turbo project. I cant thank the people enough who came and helped me out. I am almost done with my turbo swap and before I take it to carl to make sure it is tunned properly I wanted to see if I can have someone help me/look over my work for the following:

1. Installation of:

- Oil pressure Gauge
- Oil Temp Gauge
- Wide band
- Boost Gauge
- Turbo timer
- Electric Fan swap

2. check my work on:

- reinstallation and tightening of the drive train (including shortshifter)
- The overall install of the engine as well as the turbo kit (Its all back in I just need someone to check my work)
- boost leaks that may appear

I am sure to everyone this is all straight forward stuff but being this is the first big car project i have performed I would pay someone depening on what they did (money/food/beer whatever you want) to make sure I elmiinate the stupid stuff becasue I am sure there will be lots of debugging to be performed once i get it started.

your help will be apperciated

[Edited on July 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM. Reason : ]

7/8/2008 5:16:45 PM

slowblack96
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240ftw

[Edited on July 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM. Reason : lolcars]

7/8/2008 5:42:52 PM

arghx
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I don't have much experience on 240's, but I have turbo buildup experience (not an expert though). shoot me a PM if you want me to stop by and look at the car (or if it's driveable you can bring it to my parents' place in north raleigh as I have an air compressor there for boost leak testing). Are you Akram's cousin? I think we've met before.

What are you using for tuning? SAFC ?

7/8/2008 5:56:53 PM

underPSI
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you not friends with baonest anymore? that nigger can do all that shit.

7/8/2008 5:58:41 PM

baonest
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seriously nig.

you can do it yourself if you just sit down and read a thing or two.

7/8/2008 6:24:01 PM

1in10^9
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http://www.nicoclub.com/

7/8/2008 10:18:59 PM

DonkeyButt
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troo ur right guys

7/8/2008 10:37:08 PM

arghx
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you really should pressure test it for boost leaks though before you get it tuned... http://www.boostpro.net/prodtester.html or just make one out of home depot shit

7/9/2008 10:24:47 AM

beethead
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i have a pressure tester we built. it will work on 3" and 2.75"

[Edited on July 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM. Reason : if you need to use it.]

7/9/2008 10:43:04 AM

baonest
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dont listen to these guys.. just build up enough pressure and let one loose inside the chambers.. trust me, you'll smell any leaks.

7/9/2008 11:02:12 AM

Specter
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boost gauge and wideband should be easy to install. if you've got a mechanical boost gauge, just tap into a vac line. check for boost leaks because if you've got leaks your reading will be off. for wideband, i'd highly recommend AEM's UEGO, as it comes with its own o2 sensor and also has a wire that you can plug into your logger. not sure how the o2 sensors are setup on a 240, but on my vr4 i had an o2 sensor bung welded into my downpipe and ran that straight to the gauge. whether you're tuning it yourself or having someone else do it make sure you've got a datalogger and check for knock before you start adjusting boost pressure

7/9/2008 12:06:11 PM

arghx
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I'm sure you can look online and find what is a good vacuum source off the manifold. Some people tee off the fuel pressure regulator vac source. You need to tap the illumination for the gauge off the parking light circuit.

On turbo applications, AEM recommends that the sensor be at least 36" from the turbo, and BEFORE the cat if you have one. The best bet is to wire everything up, then zip tie the sensor harness (the side that connects to the gauge) somewhere temporarily and take it to a muffler shop to have a bung welded in. After the bung is welded in, have them screw the sensor in and connect it. DO NOT run the engine with the sensor installed but not connected! The heater will not be working on it and you can damage it.

As far as checking knock and cranking up the boost, leave that to the tuner. Some knock sensors on cars can be difficult to interpret due to other noise. I've personally had problems (reading on the gauge did not match the reading from the analog output) with the 0-5v output on the AEM wideband (on two different cars), even running common ground wires. That's why I ended up ditching it and going with Innovate (which has its own set of quirks don't get me wrong) which has more features but is trickier to install.

If you plan to look at your wideband display a decent amount I recommend that you do not mount it in an a-pillar gauge pod. It's too hard to see it and the tach. I have mine mounted on the steering column plastic using an autometer universal cup, so when I look down I can see the tach and the AFR display, but obviously you have to be careful that you mount it properly so you don't obstruct anything important.

For the electric fan, do you have a temperature-controlled switch? Turbo timers are of debatable necessity (I sold mine because it was just one more bit of clutter in the car) but Greddy has application specific harnesses to make installation easy. I would recommend against autometer oil pressure gauges, I've had two sending units fail, but I've never had any autometer temp sending units fail. You can always mount these in the stock locations, but you will need an adapter as the senders are usually 1/8" NPT and the OEM stuff is usually something metric.

7/9/2008 12:29:06 PM

DonkeyButt
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beethead I will take you up on that I will PM you in the next week or so.

Arghx: I think your friend with Jermey Eitheir way I will hit you up.

7/9/2008 1:20:19 PM

beethead
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innovate makes a nice wideband setup also.

the gauges really depend on how much you want to spend. the autometer nexus are badass, but also very expensive.

if you're looking for parts like these, lmk...

7/9/2008 1:55:00 PM

DonkeyButt
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I have already purchased a innovative wideband

7/9/2008 2:13:14 PM

Hurley
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Quote :
"If you plan to look at your wideband display a decent amount I recommend that you do not mount it in an a-pillar gauge pod. It's too hard to see it and the tach. I have mine mounted on the steering column plastic using an autometer universal cup, so when I look down I can see the tach and the AFR display, but obviously you have to be careful that you mount it properly so you don't obstruct anything important."


fucking bingo - i had been thinking of mounting my boost gauge on the steering column for the same reason

7/9/2008 2:19:23 PM

beethead
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i know a guy that does vacuum molded steering column gauge pods for VWs.

he could probably put something together for a 240 if you think there will be a significant demand for them.

7/9/2008 2:40:49 PM

Specter
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^ you can get generic pillar gauge pods from autometer IIRC

[Edited on July 9, 2008 at 5:18 PM. Reason : ]

7/9/2008 5:17:42 PM

beethead
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steering column, not pillar....

7/9/2008 5:46:07 PM

BigBlueRam
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^i'm guessing he meant the generic guage pods that can be mounted/screwed anywhere. same function, obviously not the same form though...

^^^^if would do egt's on the column before boost. that's your #1 concern on a diesel.

i concur though, something critical like that is nice to have on the column/dash area in a better line of sight. i hate constantly having to glance over/up at stuff on a tiny display. especially if you're already trying to concentrate on 10 other things like tach, vehicle control, the road/track surface, etc.

fwiw, i've seen some dual column pods in various vehicles that put one at each corner. no idea if they were regular production aftermarket stuff or custom.

7/9/2008 6:10:10 PM

Hurley
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good point on the diesel thing ivan

7/9/2008 6:34:54 PM

arghx
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IMO a wideband display is almost useless in the A-pillar...

I have seen Integra molded cluster surrounds that have a gauge on either side. Anything molded is a much cleaner look. The autometer universal mounting pod/cup thing looks pretty bad honestly. It just makes the interior look even more busy... I have been trying to reduce the amount of gizmos and bullshit inside the car. Oh well, seeing the wideband is more important than the interior on a motor that is notorious for blowing up.

Donkeybutt, I hope you bought that wideband new, the early production LC-1 models had a lot of problems. And you have to be careful with the way you wire your ground wires.

[Edited on July 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM. Reason : .]

7/9/2008 7:52:35 PM

underPSI
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molded gauges? i got one for ya. check out the right center air vent. that's a haltech wideband unit.

7/9/2008 9:16:30 PM

tchenku
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^haltech ecu + safc?

7/10/2008 9:27:56 AM

toyotafj40s
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in dash gauges ftw.

7/10/2008 9:38:19 AM

GraniteBalls
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7/10/2008 9:41:59 AM

arghx
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^^^ that could be an AVC-R...

7/10/2008 10:21:05 AM

underPSI
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V-AFC.

7/10/2008 7:25:12 PM

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