neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Just ordered one:
http://www.frogpad.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSDMahnw0_g
Quote : | "Both the layout and use of full-size keys contribute to overall ease of use and small size to deliver the ultimate in portability. While presenting a unique key layout, the ergonomics have been shown to significantly shorten learning time compared with the traditional QWERTY layout (university studies indicate new users can reach 40 words per minute in 10 hours versus the 56 needed with QWERTY). Since over 75% of all users do not touch type but use a “hunt and peck” approach, the FrogPad™ presents an opportunity for faster keyboard input.
The FrogPad™ has been designed for fast data entry. The letter layout is based on the percent usage of each letter in the English language. Fifteen letters that are used 86% of the time by typists are placed in the most efficient locations on the keyboard. Overall layout uses the natural drumming motion of the hand to further optimize performance and enables international scalability for other languages. " |
I know i'm a big dork, but it might come in handy.
This would even make me even more a dork:
http://www.frogpad.com/information/iFrogWearable.asp
Has anyone actually seen/used one before?
-101 wpm: http://s8.video2.blip.tv/0810000140183/Zer0cubed-FrogPad101OnehandedTypingAt101WordsPerMinute810.mov
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bmdurham All American 2668 Posts user info edit post |
This is pretty nifty, i might share this with my ergo people. 8/12/2008 3:42:47 PM |
catalyst All American 8704 Posts user info edit post |
Cool, did you get the left-handed or right-handed one? 8/12/2008 3:58:27 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
That was kind of confusing. But i ended up getting the lefty frogpad (made for the left hand). Most people who ordered them online were right-handed and got the lefty frogpad. This allows you to use the mouse with your right hand, and the froggy with your left.
This is gonna be fun!
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Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
This thing is not ergonomic. And the wearable one? Isn't it the same thing with a strap attached?
There have been one-handed keyboards several times, they all fail pretty badly. 8/12/2008 5:16:18 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
It's not a product to have it wearable. It just gives instructions on how to add a strap. I think it'll be fun to use it with a windows mobile phone. 8/12/2008 5:24:01 PM |
darkone (\/) (;,,,;) (\/) 11610 Posts user info edit post |
I think the follow look like better options:
8/12/2008 5:25:58 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^those aren't one-handed keyboards. Those are half of a qwerty keyboard. For gaming and such. 8/12/2008 5:28:00 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
actually, they are one-handed keyboards, with more versatility and better ergonomics than the frogpad. Amazingly a keyboard can be versatile.
The frogpad looks like a rebranded piece of crap from some Chinese OEM. 8/12/2008 5:30:48 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^The Wolf King is a gaming keyboard that utilizes the left side of a qwerty keyboard. Unless you program your own alternative keys it's not designed to be a one handed fully functional keyboard like the frogpad. It only has half the keys!
I was under the impression that ergonomics in relevance to using a keyboard had to do with the hand's angle on the keyboard. A typical keyboard angles both your hands inward, and this is why microsoft did the split keyboard style, to straighten out your hands to a more natural position.
Is that not right? So using that logic the frogpad is ergonomic because it doesn't create that bend from using a straight keyboard plus it only uses one hand. How is that not ergonomic? 8/12/2008 5:41:51 PM |
joe17669 All American 22728 Posts user info edit post |
i am so going to try this out 8/12/2008 6:06:02 PM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
im sorry but im lolling 8/12/2008 6:17:37 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
if you notice, natural keyboards tilt the hands up and in. this just puts it flat at a different angle. unless you prop a wedge under it, it's no more ergonomic than anything else.
http://www.billbuxton.com/matias93.html
There's a research paper on one-handed keyboards from 1993. Detailing designs and research on them back to 1968. And it's even by Bill Buxton. This shit isn't new and it isn't innovative.
http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-single.html http://half-qwerty.com/ http://www.matias.ca/halfkeyboard/ http://www.infogrip.com/product_view.asp?RecordNumber=12
If you want actual ergonomic keyboards, Kinesis is about your only option: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/
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bmdurham All American 2668 Posts user info edit post |
^ and goldtouch http://www.keyovation.com/pc-63-2-goldtouch-for-mac-adjustable-keyboard-white-usb.aspx 8/13/2008 10:42:14 AM |
SemiChub Veteran 102 Posts user info edit post |
seems like a fairly successful waste of money 8/13/2008 11:16:48 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Those are neat.
Quote : | "This shit isn't new and it isn't innovative." |
I understand what you're saying but i think you missed my point. I wasn't saying the new key layout was innovative or anything, i was saying it's form factor was cool to me. It's bluetooth and can fit in your pocket. Unless i'm mistaken i don't think there's any other bluetooth one-handed keyboards out there like the frogpad. Right?
On another note, the record for qwerty based one-handed keyboards is between 54-64 wpm from what i can find in those links you sent, but on the frogpad people have gotten past that, and one guy even claims 101 wpm as shown in that .mov in the OP. The frogpad claims it's more efficient because it places the fifteen letters that are used 86% of the time by typists in the middle.
So i guess if i get mine and can type over 64wpm then i would have proved it's more efficient than a one-handed qwerty keyboard. Although i did get the lefty so it might be more complicated than that, but considering i can type 100-115 wpm on a normal qwerty, it might be possible.
^i wanted a bluetooth keyboard for my phone that allowed me to type faster than it's qwerty keyboard, but also didn't take up two hands. Yes i'm a big dork.
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SemiChub Veteran 102 Posts user info edit post |
I just got one of these!
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=058
The cool thing is that it even has shortcuts on my keyboard to email and other cool buttons that even let me control the volume on my music! 8/13/2008 11:25:01 AM |
SemiChub Veteran 102 Posts user info edit post |
and it doesn't even have wires to plug into the computer either 8/13/2008 11:27:04 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^makes you coffee in the morning too? 8/13/2008 11:30:14 AM |
SemiChub Veteran 102 Posts user info edit post |
No silly, but it does have a cool button that if I push it on my keyboard it automatically takes me to my homepage on the internet.
and even a button that makes the calculator pop up on my screen. It is pretty incredible what they can do with technology these days
Quote : | "Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000 offers a complete desktop solution — wireless keyboard, mouse, and receiver. You get the features that make life easier, like wireless freedom, precision optical performance, and one-touch Hot Keys. Optical Technology Navigate with better speed, accuracy and reliability—the optical sensor tracks movement on nearly any surface without the hassle of clogged mouse parts. Media Center With the touch of a button you can easily access your favorite music, video clips, and media programs. Wireless Freedom Give yourself room to move—wireless mouse and keyboard products let you work without worrying about tangled wires. » Learn more about Wireless Technology. 6 months battery life Long battery life helps ensure that you aren’t stuck without your important tools when you need them. Spill-Resistant Design Enjoy a drink while you work—this keyboard is designed to withstand an accidental spill. Additional Features: # High Definition Optical Technology # Magnifier # Scroll Wheel # E-mail and Internet Hot Keys # My Computer and Calculator Hot Keys # Enhanced F-Key Functionality # 3 Year Warranty" |
Optical Technology dumbass8/13/2008 11:38:22 AM |
gs7 All American 2354 Posts user info edit post |
^I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but "shortcut keys" on a keyboard are NOTHING new or amazing, quite honestly. I guess I am glad you appreciate it though. 8/13/2008 11:43:31 AM |
darkone (\/) (;,,,;) (\/) 11610 Posts user info edit post |
^ I think your sarcasm meter is broken. 8/13/2008 11:53:25 AM |
SemiChub Veteran 102 Posts user info edit post |
sounds like someone is jealous
just because your keyboard isn't a powerhouse piece of equipment doesn't mean you have to hate gs7
Not to mention it can stop and start my music with this thing
OPTICAL, NO WIRES
enough said I'm not going to lower myself to your level 8/13/2008 11:54:12 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ Quote : | "I think your sarcasm meter is broken." |
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scud All American 10804 Posts user info edit post |
wow do we have a new troll with amazing natural talent
....
or just a new dumbass n00b 8/13/2008 1:41:55 PM |
gs7 All American 2354 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I think your sarcasm meter is broken." |
Ah, so it was. Nice.8/13/2008 4:13:54 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I understand what you're saying but i think you missed my point. I wasn't saying the new key layout was innovative or anything, i was saying it's form factor was cool to me. It's bluetooth and can fit in your pocket. Unless i'm mistaken i don't think there's any other bluetooth one-handed keyboards out there like the frogpad. Right?" |
You missed my point. You wasted your money. There have been at least a dozen products JUST like this over the past 40 years. They all suck because at their best they are slightly less efficient than a regular keyboard, and they are too general purposed to be of use in any specific application.
Mark my words, you will use this for a couple of months trying to learn it, then you will end up putting in a box or trying to unload it on ebay.8/13/2008 5:28:13 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
That could be a possibility. There's also the possibility i actually use it. I'll bump the thread in 3 months and we'll see. 8/13/2008 7:01:00 PM |
smc All American 9221 Posts user info edit post |
You guys are going to a lot of expense just to keep your masturbation hand free. 8/13/2008 8:19:33 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^now that's what im talkin bout 8/13/2008 11:27:43 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^now that's what im talkin bout woooops.
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