Tonight on CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The political spotlight will shine on Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama on Saturday night when the two candidates are expected to face tough questions on personal values, presidential leadership and international affairs.

The Rev. Rick Warren, author of the best-seller "The Purpose-Driven Life," will spend an hour interviewing each candidate at his 20,000-member Saddleback mega-church in Southern California.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/16/warren.forum/index.html

8/16/2008 11:39:32 AM

Hey, everybody likes a good circus.

8/16/2008 11:45:00 AM

Circus Church
http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?cat=21

8/16/2008 12:03:22 PM

when?

8/16/2008 7:03:31 PM

What the hell does religious faith have to do with being a president?

8/16/2008 7:13:14 PM

Sadly, a lot to a lot of people. They seem to think that being religious (and by religious they often mean Christian) is the only way to have strong morals. . .

8/16/2008 7:27:36 PM

8 pm

Look people, it wasn't supposed to be that hard of a question.

8/16/2008 7:28:30 PM

Sorry, I am watching the Olympics.

8/16/2008 7:32:31 PM

So far, Obama provided some honest and thoughtful answers to the questions and I was able to learn more about him. On the other hand, McCain has done little more than rehash stump speech material, make jokes, and get emotional reponses from the audience.

8/16/2008 9:29:50 PM

I'd say the opposite. I thought Obama's answers were BS and McCain is more to the point and more entertaining.

8/16/2008 9:32:38 PM

glad that's all cleared up

8/16/2008 9:52:48 PM

What do you consider our nations greatest moral failing?

McCain: We need to support good causes. We are already the best ever at this, but we should do even more!

Thats not what he said word for word, but it made me think of a scene from The Office where Michael Scott is trying to describe his greatest flaw, and his answer is that he cares too much. One thing I don't like about Bush, and to some degree Pelosi is that they have trouble answering questions about failings and tend towards a view that they can do little wrong.

8/16/2008 9:54:25 PM

just heard it replayed, this is closer to the real quote: "Perhaps we haven’t done as much, although we have been the best at it"

8/16/2008 10:25:44 PM

i'm guessing each candidate didnt gain or convert a single voter from this

8/16/2008 10:28:14 PM

that shit was so boring I switched over and watched the fucking marathon

8/16/2008 10:28:33 PM

McCain came close to admitting his adultery directly, but then kind of dodged it by calling it marriage failure.

8/16/2008 10:49:17 PM

jesus.... how about they discuss something important, like science
http://www.sciencedebate2008.com

8/17/2008 1:40:49 AM

well, science is a faith, so...

8/17/2008 1:41:57 AM

8/17/2008 10:14:51 AM

McCain did well. I was actually surprised.

McCain gave very direct answers, obama just seems to skirt things. I liked the format, it didnt turn into a bitch fest between the two.

8/17/2008 12:15:47 PM

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"What do you consider our nations greatest moral failing?"

Politicians?

8/17/2008 12:29:02 PM

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"well, science is a faith, so..."

Nope + you're fucking dumb

8/17/2008 12:56:25 PM

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"McCain gave very direct answers, obama just seems to skirt things."

What? McCain gave short answers that revealed nothing new about him. Obama actually gave well thought, honest and personal answers.

8/17/2008 1:03:35 PM

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"McCain gave very direct answers, obama just seems to skirt things."

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"What? McCain gave short answers that revealed nothing new about him. Obama actually gave well thought, honest and personal answers."

Everybody heard exactly what they wanted to hear from the "Faith Forum", because it had absolutely no content at all. If you already had a bias against McCain, then Obama gave better answers, and vice versa. This is exactly what they wanted, and in doing this, they distract the public from the real issues of peak oil and our worsening economic crisis.

[Edited on August 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2008 1:55:10 PM

amen

8/17/2008 1:58:38 PM

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"Everybody heard exactly what they wanted to hear from the "Faith Forum", because it had absolutely no content at all."

8/17/2008 2:01:21 PM

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"well, science is a faith, so..."

yea, yea, we get it. plz stfu already

8/17/2008 2:27:07 PM

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"well, science is a faith, so..."

Call me when your church develops a car powered by Jesus. Until then...

8/17/2008 11:10:23 PM

problem with burro is that he still doesn't understand the difference between "faith" and "trust". Until you understand what trust is, then you have no hope of understanding how science works.

8/17/2008 11:18:02 PM

For those of you who watched the faith forum, what's the deal with McCain supposedly saying you're not rich until you have $5 million dollars?

8/18/2008 4:33:45 PM

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"i'm guessing each candidate didnt gain or convert a single voter from this"

Depends. For McCain, this was more for rallying the troops rather than winning over new voters. For Obama, this was trying to at least make himself palatable to an audience that's generally not sympathetic to him. I view this as no different than McCain and Obama going in front of the Urban League with the roles reversed.

Perhaps the real winner is Rev. Warren who is both flexing his political muscle and may perhaps be positioning himself to become the spiritual successor to Rev. Billy Graham.

8/18/2008 4:41:30 PM

moron, the question was asked "what is rich?" McCain basically said he doesnt want to take more of anyones money and wants everyone to be rich. BUt if you have to have an answer... 5 million... Then he said, im sure that will be misused, and laughed about it.

8/18/2008 4:44:07 PM

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"For Obama, this was trying to at least make himself palatable to an audience that's generally not sympathetic to him."

I didn't see the forum, so I don't know the atmosphere, but what audience would this be?

8/18/2008 5:40:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zovk-H5qmBE

Here is the whole response to the answer. About min 1:30 he gets into it.


Of course Obama today is whining that McCain was listening to his answers. And he also used the 5 million thing today... just as mccain said he would. Politics of old? Or just assuming that his audience wouldnt know the difference?

8/18/2008 7:10:29 PM

lol i am disappointed in yall...unless i missed it, i didnt see anyone post how mccain said 5/mil a year is what is rich

[Edited on August 18, 2008 at 7:17 PM. Reason : just read about it]

8/18/2008 7:17:16 PM

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"Of course Obama today is whining that McCain was listening to his answers."

I'm sure McCain was listening to his answers. It's not like they put him in a sound-proof booth backstage.

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"And he also used the 5 million thing today... just as mccain said he would."

It was a serious question that he was clearly uncomfortable answering. So he cracks a dumb joke, which he did often during the forum. His lack of seriousness in answering tells me a lot about him.

8/18/2008 7:34:51 PM

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"It's not like they put him in a sound-proof booth backstage. "

ya, actually they did. He wasnt allowed to listen to obama's answers. He is whinning because most people felt mccain did much better.


McCains answer was much better. He said he doesnt want to take more of anyones money. So if you had to name a number... he threw out a high one. Now obama is going around saying mccain says 5 million is rich.. so 3 million must be middle class. Get real. He whines about politics of old whenever someone attacks him, but he does the same out of context BS.

Carzak. Did you catch obamas answer on abortion? It was pretty good. I esp like the "the fact is, we have had a prolife president and the number of abortions havent gone down." LOL. Well the FACT is the number of abortions are down 9%. Kinda funny, esp when he begins it with "the fact is" LOL.

8/19/2008 9:19:09 AM

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"ya, actually they did. He wasnt allowed to listen to obama's answers. He is whinning because most people felt mccain did much better."

he was actually in his motorcade for the first half of obama's segment. the bit about the "cone of silence" was apparently bullshit. of course no one knows for sure if mccain listened to obama's portion while he was in the car. but why wouldn't he?

8/19/2008 9:25:09 AM

^they actually had McCain in a seperate building that did not have any live feed of Obamas interview. McCain was also escorted by the SS the entire time...before and after the event.

Yes, McCain was late to the event, so you never know what he was doing for those minutes.

Rick said on H/C last night that Obama did have wind of one of the questions

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM. Reason : .]

8/19/2008 9:27:56 AM

he wasn't in the separate building when he was riding over there from another event.

and since when would the SS get involved in what a presidential candidate was doing? their job is to protect him from getting killed, not make sure he's on his best behavior.

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 9:30 AM. Reason : .]

8/19/2008 9:29:15 AM

As has been said, he was in the car for the first 30 minutes of the event. When Rev. Warren found out McCain wasn't in the green room the whole time, he seemed pretty surprised. And the SS doesn't have anything to do with anything.

Plus, there was the whole part where McCain answered the next three questions in quick succession before being asked. Not that I give a shit if he had the questions beforehand, it's just funny that he lied about it.

8/19/2008 9:36:26 AM

"They're dead wrong. That's just sour grapes..." Warren responds.

Gilgoff presses the matter, saying: "A source at the debate tells me that McCain had access to some communications devices in the few minutes before he went on stage with you and that there was a monitor in his green room, in violation of the debate rules."

Responds Warren: "That's absolutely a lie, absolutely a lie. That room was totally free, with no monitors -- a flat out lie."



It is pretty funny they are whinning about this. Of course that is the reason McCain did better, he was in his motorcade while the wizard of uhs was talking. Ok

8/19/2008 9:50:20 AM

why can't straight talk express tell the truth and say the whole 'cone of silence' thing was bullshit then?

8/19/2008 9:52:21 AM

^^^Please tell me what proof you have that John McCain lied about being informed of the questions.

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM. Reason : .]

8/19/2008 9:57:03 AM

it can't be proven that he was informed of the questions. but it is true that the system in place to prevent that from happening broke down and there was nothing stopping him from doing so other than his POW-maverick notion of fair play.

8/19/2008 10:00:08 AM

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"Depends. For McCain, this was more for rallying the troops rather than winning over new voters. For Obama, this was trying to at least make himself palatable to an audience that's generally not sympathetic to him. I view this as no different than McCain and Obama going in front of the Urban League with the roles reversed. Perhaps the real winner is Rev. Warren who is both flexing his political muscle and may perhaps be positioning himself to become the spiritual successor to Rev. Billy Graham."

True that. I think that both of them had more of an objective of placating their current base rather than battle for the middle ground. It probably served very well to do that.

Both of the candidates have some special thing to their name, Obama is black (yes, this is special in congress) and McCain has that whole war vet thing going on. This is very contrary to, say the 2004 election, where both candidates were spoiled rich boys. As such, this seems like a bipartisan attempt to basically placate the entire public with the options given to them. I don't think either of them got any relative gains, and I don't think that was the purpose. It was to boast both of their popularities.

And I find that disturbing.

8/19/2008 10:03:37 AM

So you have no proof he listened to his answers?

Here is obama talking about the 5 million. LOL

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1846364920080818


“Nicolle Wallace, a spokeswoman for Mr. McCain, said on Sunday night that Mr. McCain had not heard the broadcast of the event while in his motorcade and heard none of the questions,” the Times reported.



[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 10:05 AM. Reason : .]

8/19/2008 10:03:59 AM

lol i cant believe mccain said 5mil/year is what he considers rich...i'd say like 200k+ imo

8/19/2008 10:06:40 AM

why in the hell should we trust a mccain spokeswoman?

look, he may not have heard the questions. it seems there's no good way to know at this point. the thing to be upset about is that he didn't follow the agreed-upon rules.

8/19/2008 10:06:48 AM

dnl, I posted the link for the whole question. Its laughable that people are falling for the 5 million dollar thing. WHen you look at it in context, its really funny. I guess that is politics of old and preying on ignorance.

sarijoul, sounds like the man was running late. I dont think he heard the questions or obamas answers, mainly bc he didnt address any points that obama made. (if he made any). THe wizard of uhs, had a bad night and now is whinning about cheating. You have to admit it is pretty funny.

How about him throwing clarence thomas under the bus... then stops short while saying he didnt have enough experience to reach that level.. Wow.

8/19/2008 10:12:57 AM