http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-tharin-gartrell-080826-ht,0,3919724.story

8/26/2008 1:00:45 PM

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-possible-plot/

Fucking Nazi's

8/26/2008 1:04:38 PM

Gartrell looks like possible white supremacist assassin material.

Johnson looks like a guy addicted to crystal meth.

I'm about 50/50 on this, and hope it doesn't get blown into something it's not for a sensationalist story that will give Obama a bump.

8/26/2008 1:08:38 PM

i wouldn't be surprised if there's a serious attempt if he's elected within 3 months of the inauguration

8/26/2008 1:16:47 PM

this story is a lot more damning than the other ones
http://cbs4denver.com/investigates/assisination.plot.obama.2.802827.html

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" Maass reported earlier Monday that one of the suspects told authorities they were "going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a ... rifle ... sighted at 750 yards." Law enforcement sources told Maass that one of the suspects "was directly asked if they had come to Denver to kill Obama. He responded in the affirmative." "

So say this is all true, and it is proven that it was their intent to kill Obama.
How do they get sentenced? You can't let guys like this go free while Obama is President, but can you hold them in jail for years based on an assissination attempt that never went through, and happened months before he became, or could become, President?

8/26/2008 1:19:46 PM

AHA.

So Obama might get picked off by some crazy.

And McCain might die in his sleep.

Excellent.

8/26/2008 1:27:17 PM

mccain aint gonna die anytime soon imo...look at his moms

8/26/2008 1:28:54 PM

Or Obama could have an aneurysm and McCain might get shot by a die-hard Vietcong. Or were you under the impression that most Presidential candidates are Highlanders?

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"but can you hold them in jail for years based on an assissination attempt that never went through, and happened months before he became, or could become, President?"

Yep.

8/26/2008 1:30:05 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa...nobody said anything about Highlanders.

If you look at the evidence, it's a lot more likely that they're vampires.

I mean, come on.

8/26/2008 1:44:15 PM

send him to gitmo... oh wait

8/26/2008 2:16:38 PM

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"going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a ... rifle ... sighted at 750 yards."

I'd be impressed if a tweaker could hold steady enough for a 750 yard shot.


That being said, aside from my personal moral objection to assassinating Barak Obama, I can't imagine the cultural fall-out from that event. The "Recreate '68" crowd could have more on their hands than they wanted.

8/26/2008 2:20:05 PM

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"I'm about 50/50 on this, and hope it doesn't get blown into something it's not for a sensationalist story that will give Obama a bump. "

What do you mean something it's not?

It seems they went through great lengths to illegally acquire the equipment to get this rolling.

This was FAR, FAR more well developed than those supposed terrorists a while back that wanted to blow up some oil drums at a NY airport.

The US is a big country, I just hope there aren't so many of these types of nutjobs that one of the groups is successful in their goal.

And this also points out the need for Obama to pick a competent VP...

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ]

8/26/2008 2:53:25 PM

Another report....from last night:

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"The St. Pete Times reports: The man stood outside his RV, yelling and shooting a gun into the air. When Pasco sheriff's deputies confronted him, he ran inside and wouldn't come out, according to Tampabay.com. That started a six-hour standoff late Monday night between the man, whose name was not released, and authorities, Sheriff's Office spokesman Kevin Doll said. SWAT team units arrived later and surrounded the RV, Doll said. As the situation entered the early hours of this morning, SWAT team members fired riot gas into the man's home. He still wouldn't come out, Doll said. Finally, about 5 a.m., he exited his RV and was taken into custody. The cause of his displeasure, according to Doll, was Michelle Obama's speech last night at the Democratic National Convention."

8/26/2008 2:57:18 PM

lulz. damn crazies.

8/26/2008 3:17:03 PM

thnx dnl

8/26/2008 3:31:02 PM

This is news? From reading one of those articles it seems like some methheads got caught by police and yelled some crazy shit. And the title is misleading since they didn't attempt anything at all.

8/26/2008 4:47:32 PM

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"Maass reported earlier Monday that one of the suspects told authorities they were "going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a ... rifle ... sighted at 750 yards." Law enforcement sources told Maass that one of the suspects "was directly asked if they had come to Denver to kill Obama. He responded in the affirmative.""

the "?" in the title indicates that there may have been an attempt, but it didn't happen yet.
What would satisfy you - if they took a shot and only winged him?

8/26/2008 4:49:28 PM

i also find it disturbing that apparently the only reason the police caught these guys was b/c of a traffic violation. You have to wonder how many others there are out there who are hopped up on meth or stupid enough to get caught before they even try anything. I mean, it's not like it's hard to drive to Denver with a rifle and keep a low profile for a couple days

8/26/2008 4:51:32 PM

*Sigh*, white assasins just aren't the same as they used to be back in the days of JFK. Should have hired a dependable illegal mexican to do it.

8/26/2008 4:55:28 PM

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"What would satisfy you - if they took a shot and only winged him?"

Winged him? Like chicken winged him? That's some pretty transparent closet racism, dog.

8/26/2008 4:56:15 PM

I wonder where all the gun-toting democrats are. They must be waiting for the republicans to run a black candidate, I guess...

8/26/2008 5:23:41 PM

Obama's Ass-Ass Nation

8/26/2008 8:55:53 PM

Just for a bit of perspective, historical assassinations and attempts:

Assassinated: Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy (4)
Attempted Assassinations: Jackson (misfire), T Roosevelt (survived shot), FDR (shots missed), Harry Truman (assassin shot by guard), Kennedy (1st assassin had a change of heart), Nixon (first - security foiled, second - assassin botched), Ford (1st - misfire, 2nd - shot missed), Carter (plan foiled), Reagan (survived shot), Bush 41 (security foiled), Clinton (tackled by bystander), Bush 43 (1st - security foiled, 2nd - dud grenade) (15)
Possible Assassinations: Taylor, Harding (2)

There's a 9% chance of being killed in office, and a 43% chance of an attempt (and every President since Nixon has been the target of an assassination attempt). And that doesn't count the likes of Robert Kennedy or George Wallace.

8/26/2008 9:29:34 PM

Another thing for perspective

I can recall a number of actors, athletes, and normal people over the last few years saying things about how they wanted to kill Bush and how someone should kill Bush and how if they went hunting with Cheney they'd kill Bush, etc. Now obviously they didn't have meth and weapons, and I'm not trying to say its the same thing, but I'm just saying.

8/26/2008 9:59:44 PM

i thought Tree was going to say something completely idiotic and and irrelevant.

But, whew, he put "i'm just saying" at the end of it. That, of course, gives you liberty to say anything you want, relevant or not, with no repercussions!

8/26/2008 10:03:24 PM

i mean, we should go out and rape little girls.


I'm just saying...

8/26/2008 11:22:15 PM

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"It seems they went through great lengths to illegally acquire the equipment to get this rolling. "

what illegally acquired equipment, and what great lengths? i thought it was just a couple of scoped rifles?

8/27/2008 12:15:34 AM

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"There is not enough evidence to conclude that three people arrested with drugs and weapons posed a "true threat" to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, the Denver U.S. Attorney said Tuesday. Suspects arrested in the alleged plot are, from left, Tharin Gartrell, Nathan Johnson, Shawn Robert Adolf. Troy Eid called the suspects "meth heads" who, because of their drug addiction, were likely not capable of carrying out a plan to hurt Obama."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/26/obama.threat/index.html


I'm not saying the will doesn't exist, but this wasn't some master plot to take down BHO.

8/27/2008 9:00:41 AM

look

what this means is that now the real group can come in with the cops a bit complacent

8/27/2008 9:17:52 AM

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"there were no political reasons for wanting to kill Obama, and that the only reason to kill Obama is because he is black"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0826082dnc1.html

8/27/2008 3:48:54 PM

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"But, whew, he put "i'm just saying" at the end of it. That, of course, gives you liberty to say anything you want, relevant or not, with no repercussions!"

wow

i try to tactfully word my post instead of just pointing out the fact that its apparently ok to go around talking about assassinating the current president and its no big deal and that there seems to be a double standard, and thats the followup i get...i'll keep that in mind next time...maybe I shouldve said:

apparently its a huge news story when some people get arrested and say they planned on killing obama, but you hear liberals left and right talking about killing bush...wow you fucking liberals are stupid with your double standards

nm i'm sure agentlion would still act like a stupid fag...well either way he has certainly proven he truly can't keep things in perspective

8/27/2008 5:02:37 PM

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"What do you mean something it's not? It seems they went through great lengths to illegally acquire the equipment to get this rolling."

So far it just seems like they were a handful of drug addicts, the kinds of people you would expect to have illegal weapons, identification, etc. They even had a nascent plan on how to go about it. But it's a plan that probably would've been abandoned as soon as the meth ran out and they needed to score.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The news media is treating this fairly appropriately. It's not horrifying that these guys wanted to kill Obama, because they didn't have snowball's chance of hell in pulling it off. What's horrifying is the number of people like them out there that could very easily kill you or me for whatever we've got in our wallets.

I remain very concerned about a more sober white supremacist trying to off Barack, and the nationwide consequences such an event might have. But a handful of trailer park rejects too fucked up to see straight, let alone shoot straight from a hypothetical "high ground" that probably doesn't exist? I'm not losing a lot of sleep.

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"you hear liberals left and right talking about killing bush"

I don't recall hearing anything this violent said about Bush by any famous person, liberal or otherwise, in this country. That Pearl Jam guy broke a George Bush mask, I remember, but that's about as violent as it got. There is also a wide gulf between just "I wish this person was dead" and saying it in a car full of guns while explaining your plan to kill them.

8/27/2008 5:33:17 PM

i acknowledged the difference

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"Now obviously they didn't have meth and weapons, and I'm not trying to say its the same thing"

I heard Richard Jefferson of the NJ Nets say if he went hunting with Dick Cheney, he would kill George Bush...was he joking? I'm sure he was...did he threaten to assassinate the President? Yes, and nothing happened to him

how about that fucking crazy bastard who they arrested in Charlotte a week or so ago who was at the Waffle House talking about how he was going to kill Obama...he didn't have any weapons on him or anything like that...he got arrested

8/27/2008 5:36:20 PM

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"Richard Jefferson of the NJ Nets say if he went hunting with Dick Cheney, he would kill George Bush"

vs.

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"fucking crazy bastard who they arrested in Charlotte a week or so ago who was at the Waffle House talking about how he was going to kill Obama"

hopefully you'd acknowledge the difference again

8/27/2008 5:45:42 PM

i do, like i already said, but you obviously dont acknowledge the double standard because you're too caught up in the minutia

8/27/2008 5:47:55 PM

i don't what? that was my first post in this thread chief.

also, i couldn't find anything about richard jefferson saying that

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 5:49 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 5:49:18 PM

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" i try to tactfully word my post instead of just pointing out the fact that its apparently ok to go around talking about assassinating the current president and its no big deal and that there seems to be a double standard, and thats the followup i get...i'll keep that in mind next time...maybe I shouldve said:"

are you *fucking* insane?

they arrest 4 people who traveled to Denver, who when asked if it was there intention to kill Barack Obama said "Yes", and were in the possession of sniper rifles, and you compare that to random people saying one way or another that they wish bush was dead (although I can't recall when a celebrity/actor/athlete actually said anything quite like that). That's not even in the same fucking ballpark!

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"i acknowledged the difference Quote : "Now obviously they didn't have meth and weapons, and I'm not trying to say its the same thing""

yes, you "acknowledge the difference" (which is as wide as a fucking ocean), but then like I said - you put "i'm just saying!" at the end, which gives you license to say whatever the fuck you want.

"Maybe John McCain fathered a black love-child. I'm just saying!"

8/27/2008 5:50:43 PM

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"i don't what? that was my first post in this thread chief."

and therefore i could only base what you're refusing to acknowledge on what you chose to post in your one post

^i'll just concede that i cant point out double standards in TSB when they favor the left, have a nice day

8/27/2008 5:51:10 PM

brilliant!

8/27/2008 5:52:57 PM

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"i do, like i already said, but you obviously dont acknowledge the double standard because you're too caught up in the minutia"

minutia?

You consider it minutia when one the one hand, you have an athlete saying "oh, you know, next time I go hunting with Dick Cheney", which obviously will never happen, and on the other hand you actually have a meth-head showing up with sniper rifles in the same city as a person he says he intends to kill?

8/27/2008 5:53:43 PM

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"also, i couldn't find anything about richard jefferson saying that"

amazing, they dont have transcripts of all AM sports radio interviews available on google

^its minutia when he bases his ignorance of the double standard on two anecdotal pieces of evidence i brought up

same thing you're doing right there...how many fucking times do i have to repeat that i know its not the same thing and i'm not trying to convince you that it is

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 5:54:29 PM

hey, i'm just sayin'!

you could be making it all up

i'm just sayin'!

8/27/2008 5:56:07 PM

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"i couldn't find anything about richard jefferson saying that"

aka I GOOGLED IT AND DIDNT FIND IT, THEREFORE IT DIDNT HAPPEN

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .a]

8/27/2008 5:58:07 PM

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"aka I GOOGLED IT AND DIDNT FIND IT, I HAVE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE"

well, yeah....

what would you suggest?

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM. Reason : /]

8/27/2008 5:59:42 PM

honestly i'd suggest, and prefer, that you just not ever reply to any of my posts in TSB since it wont ever be anything constructive at all

kthx

it was my fault for assuming that you two understood what the phrase "im just saying" means, i will take the blame for that

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 6:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 6:00:25 PM

hey, i was only looking for a story about his comments. you seem to be a very angry person. simmer down a little



[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 6:07 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 6:04:07 PM

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"it was my fault for assuming that you two understood what the phrase "im just saying" means, i will take the blame for that"

please enlighten us, almighty one

8/27/2008 6:05:22 PM

When you describe "a number of actors, athletes, and normal people over the last few years," I sort of expect you to come up with more than Richard Jefferson, a rather unremarkable basketball player. Furthermore, I sort of expect that your allegations have some connection with reality.

You'd think that if Richard Jefferson had said anything remotely similar to what you've credited him with saying on any sort of broadcast interview, then at least somebody would post about it in their blog. As it is, there's no permutation of "Richard Jefferson," "shoot," "Bush," "Cheney," and/or "hunting" that yields anything in that ballpark.

So your one example of "a number of actors and athletes" is this one completely unsubstantiated case.

Good job.

8/27/2008 8:12:41 PM

i personally heard him say it on the radio...i'm sorry your infallible blog search didn't turn up results, that must mean it never happened

feel free to listen to all the podcasts if you want http://www.wfnz.com/Mac-Attack/136214


[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 9:17 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 9:13:55 PM

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" You'd think that if Richard Jefferson had said anything remotely similar to what you've credited him with saying on any sort of broadcast interview, then at least somebody would post about it in their blog."

liberal media. they're suppressing it.
GrumpyGOP pwnt


^ did you hear him say it multiple times?
Is that what you meant when you heard it "a number of people" say it?
You're a fucking idiot. I'm just sayin'

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 9:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 9:14:21 PM