Three weeks ago, if you would have told me that a pregnant 17 year old unwed girl would become the symbol of "Family Values" for the religous right, I would have told you you are out of your mind.

If Obama's daughter would have tried that, we would hear no end of it - with her as a symbol of "the godless liberal agenda".

I have to hand it to her. Sarah Palin sold it. Unbeliveable ...



[Edited on September 8, 2008 at 10:53 PM. Reason : *~<]Bo]

9/8/2008 10:50:24 PM

This surely deserved it's own thread.

9/8/2008 10:52:43 PM

well that hockey player is pretty cute

9/8/2008 10:53:24 PM

it's called hypocrisy.

hardly an unbelievable phenomenon in the political world

9/8/2008 10:54:26 PM

if Obama's daughter were pregnant, no one would be speaking about it, cause Obama would sue the fuck out of anyone who dared mention her name. Not that the media would pick it up anyway. They won't fucking report on legitimate issues about Obama. What makes u think they would report something like that?

9/8/2008 10:55:45 PM

^lol

9/8/2008 10:56:50 PM

if obamas daughter was pregnant, the republicans would be tearing him to shreds because they are opportunistic a-holes

9/8/2008 10:58:37 PM

^^ great response.

^ you are probably right, but there would be no media circus about it on CBS, NBC, ABC... just on FOX.

[Edited on September 8, 2008 at 11:00 PM. Reason : ]

9/8/2008 10:59:41 PM

Yeah, because all those networks sure left Obama alone when the Wright scandal was going on.

9/8/2008 11:00:39 PM

yep. that was when they were pulling for Clinton. It aint called the "Clinton News Network" for no reason...

9/8/2008 11:01:27 PM

oh, right. of course.

9/8/2008 11:05:13 PM

Ironically, it's a big issue is because... it's not really a big issue. SRSLY.

Rev. Wright's Racism, Obama's Islamic affairs, McCain's bucket list, and Palin's prego daughter are all media hype that will escape our train of thought several months from now. Non-issues that magically appear as issues.

9/8/2008 11:13:04 PM

The difference between Rev Wright and Palin's daughter is that no matter who you are, or what your morals, you can't control 17 year olds. Obama made the decision to sit in that church for 20 years.

9/8/2008 11:19:48 PM

I would certainly find it more disturbing if one of Obama's daughters were pregnant. But that would be because they are 10 and 7 years old.

9/8/2008 11:23:37 PM

so, if they were both pregnant, what would be the difference?

9/8/2008 11:25:05 PM

Only in that it would be all the more disturbing.

9/8/2008 11:26:46 PM

Something remarkable in all this. I may be dating myself here, but I seem to recall when Dan Quayle hopped on national TV to condemn Murphy Brown - a fictional television character - for choosing to be a single mother. Even though I was an adolescent at the time, I still said, "Uh, isn't it more important to you that she kept the kid?"

Then Murphy Brown pwned Dan Quayle on the show. I still to this day believe this contributed to the loss of Bush in '92.

Now choosing single motherhood is held up as a sign of the culture of life. Funny thing fifteen-and-change years will do, huh? (Or simply circumstance, as it were.)

9/9/2008 12:39:57 AM

^^ But why? 10+7=17

So a 10 yo and a 7 yo both pregnant is the same as a 17 yo pregnant!

^ Oh yeah I remember that.


[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 12:42 AM. Reason : ^]

9/9/2008 12:40:30 AM

Quote :

"Obama made the decision to sit in that church for 20 years."

He didnt sit in the church that much, he mostly knew Wright through community work.

And Palin obviously did not teach her daughter not to be a slut. I can kind of understand if she was not living at home, but she's in the same roof as her mother, and going completely against everything Palin wants to impress on everyone else. It's bizarrely hypocritical. If Palin is only the religious half of right in name only, then where does that leave her? Just a women and youthful charismatic face? I'm sure the McCain supporters won't see it this way, so it won't matter, but it is a little humorous to me nonetheless.

9/9/2008 12:45:16 AM

^^ In the words of the moonenites: You'r logic is flawless! Lay into him more!

9/9/2008 1:10:49 AM

Quote :

"And Palin obviously did not teach her daughter not to be a slut."

Perhaps your teenage experience was very unusual, but from what I recall seeing in my personal experiences, those of my acquaintances, and even what seems to be commonly accepted in culture, the following equation does not often hold true:

What you teach your kids = what your kids do

The worst thing you can safely say about Sarah Palin in this context is that she did not successfully pass on her ideals to her children. That's not exactly a rarity.

"Hypocrisy" would apply if Palin espoused the same values she does now and then got pregnant out of wedlock herself. You're a hypocrite when you say one thing and do another, not when you say one thing and someone else does another.

9/9/2008 4:47:48 AM

Quote :

""Hypocrisy" would apply if Palin espoused the same values she does now and then got pregnant out of wedlock herself. You're a hypocrite when you say one thing and do another, not when you say one thing and someone else does another."

Interesting you mention that, her first son was born 7 months after she eloped. Seems shotgun weddings run in the family.

9/9/2008 7:17:23 AM

Hypocrisy does apply, not with the Palins but with the religous right.

It seems that the way the intepret the meaning of teen pregnancies depends on demographics ...

It's either everything that's wrong with liberal America, or it's everything that's right in a good conservative family.

9/9/2008 10:22:22 AM

I dont think you would find anyone saying teen pregnancy is "right" in any family. I wont disagree that there is a slight double standard to it though. Some people view certain teen pregnancies as less wrong than others, I am sure.

9/9/2008 10:47:48 AM

More than a slight double standard.

If it happens to "those people", it's because of their upbringing (not to mention the liberal culture). If it happens to one of "us", it's in spite of their of their upbringing (and because good families don't stand a chance against the dominant liberal culture).

9/9/2008 11:17:40 AM

Quote :

"Fundamental attribution error"

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 11:43 AM. Reason : []

9/9/2008 11:42:50 AM

facists thrive on fear

the fear of the evil commie god haters is stronger than anything wrong their own party can do

9/9/2008 11:47:14 AM

Quote :

"facists thrive on fear of faces the fear of the evil commie god haters' faces is stronger than anything wrong their own party can do"

9/10/2008 1:13:30 AM

What is hypocritical is evangelicals praising Palin's daughter as a moral character for not getting abortion; overlooking the fact that she still had sex out of marriage and having a child.

9/10/2008 12:49:55 PM

no, what's amazing is that the christians are forgiving to her.

the liberal scum are the only ones slinging shit back and forth about how bad of a person she is.

continue throwing this topic around, it will only continue to divide the left, and bring together the right.

9/10/2008 12:55:01 PM

It's not about the Palins, it's about the blind hypocrocy of the religious right. There are thousands of black unwed mothers that never got abortions, or forgiveness. In fact, they became the symbol of everything that's wrong with liberal America - no family values, God out of the school, etc.

But now that it's one of their own, the response couldn't be any more different. Now she's become a symbol of how "good families" respond to a difficult situation. Unbeliveable ...

Between the pregnancy and the underage drinking (it wasn't that hard to find photos of that), it's safe to say, at the very least, she didn't have adequate supervision.

So far, Mr. Obama has been far more gracious than the religious right has ever proven itself to be.

9/10/2008 1:58:27 PM

Quote :

"Can You Say ‘Sexist’? If you're a Republican, you'd better learn. The right wing that trashed the women's movement suddenly finds its inner feminist. Anna Quindlen NEWSWEEK Updated: 1:35 PM ET Sep 6, 2008 Hypocrisy is only bad when it is improperly used. —George Bernard Shaw I never thought I would live long enough to see the day when the Republican presidential candidate would cite membership in the PTA as evidence of executive experience, when the far right would laud the full-time working mothers of newborns, when social conservatives would stare down teenage pregnancy and replace their pursed-lip accusations of promiscuity with hosannas about choosing life. The Republican Party has undergone a surprising metamorphosis since Sarah Palin was chosen as its vice presidential candidate. In Palin I recognize a fellow traveler, a woman whose life would have been impossible just a few decades ago. If she had been born 30 years earlier, the PTA would likely have been her last stop, not her first. Her political ascendancy is a direct result of the women's movement, which has changed the world utterly for women of all persuasions. It is therefore notable that Palin has found her home in a party, and in a wing of that party, that for many years has reviled, repelled and sought to roll back the very changes that led her to the Alaska Statehouse. But expediency is an astonishing thing, and conservative Republicans have suddenly embraced the assertion that women can do it all, even those conservative Republicans who have made careers out of trashing that notion. James Dobson of Focus on the Family once had staffers on his hot line saying, "Dr. Dobson recommends that mothers of young children stay at home as much as possible." He now applauds a woman who was back at work three days after her son, who has Down syndrome, was born. Even to state that simple fact resulted in outrage among those at the convention, who screamed double standard. But the double standard was mainly theirs. The governor was aggressively marketed in terms of her maternity, yet questions about how she managed to mother five and lead the state were dismissed as sexist. The governor's two years leading Alaska, which in terms of citizens served is the equivalent of being mayor of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., was said to be the linchpin of her appointment, but questions about her breadth of experience were dismissed as sexist. Her surrogates wanted the press to write about mooseburgers and ignore how the governor had once pursued the kind of earmarked federal funds she now insists are anathema to her. Conservatives have probably used the word "sexist" more in the past week than they have in the past 50 years. This would all have been entertaining if it were not such rank hypocrisy. These are people who have inveighed against affirmative action, a version of which undoubtedly played a part in this selection. These are people who inveighed against personal attacks on their new nominee when the wingnuts of their own party elevated such attacks to a fine art by accusing Hillary Rodham Clinton of fictitious misdeeds ranging from treason to murder. To try to suggest Sarah Palin might garner the Hillary Clinton vote, that one woman is just the same as another, that biology trumps ideology, is the ultimate evidence of true sexism, and I hope Senator Clinton will travel the country and say so. Amid the drumbeat of female Amazonian competence occasioned by the Palin nomination ran one deeply discordant assumption, the assumption that women are strong and smart and sure and yet neither sentient nor moral enough to decide what to do if they are pregnant under difficult circumstances. The governor has talked about the choice she and her pregnant teenage daughter have made, but would deny other women the right to make their own choices. She talks about fighting the old boys' network and corrupt politicians, but would turn over the private reproductive decisions of American women to both. This is not choosing life. It is choosing unwarranted intrusion into the family lives of women. Which, ironically, is exactly what the Republicans accused the press of doing in the case of Governor Palin. When Democrat James Carville said he found the choice of Palin perplexing on the merits, Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann said she found that "offensive to American women." I found her offense offensive to American women, since at its core was the notion that Governor Palin should not and could not be judged by the same standards as her male counterparts. In fact, all the cries of sexism suggested that, yet again, the Republicans had underestimated the ability of women to lead; when the governor finally took center stage, it was clear that she needed no protections or excuses. If she is as sharp and self-assured as her convention speech, the first thing she will do, in the parlance of the sport she played under the nickname "Sarah Barracuda," is to slam-dunk the notion that she can't take an elbow. She certainly knows how to give one. John McCain has been no advocate for women; when asked during the primaries, on the subject of Senator Clinton, "How do we beat the bitch?" he responded, "Excellent question." (Note to the GOP: that IS sexist.) He has been either hostile or clueless on issues like contraceptive funding, workplace protections and aid to poor mothers. And his running mate will likely walk in lock step with him on all those things. But she could certainly help move the inevitable tide of women's rights, the tide that has floated her own boat, by demanding that she be honored with the same tough scrutiny the guys in this race get. Which was, in case these improbable born-again friends of feminism missed it, the entire point of the exercise in the first place. URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/157543"

9/10/2008 2:02:24 PM

This is nothing more than an opening to attack christianity as well as women.

Keep doing it.

It'll really help you guys in this election.

9/10/2008 2:08:23 PM

^ Do you want some pencils to go with that cane? It's not an attack on Christianity, it's an attack on hypocracy - in the image Jesus himself.

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 2:19 PM. Reason : *~<]Bo]

9/10/2008 2:13:26 PM

Quote :

"no, what's amazing is that the christians are forgiving to her. the liberal scum are the only ones slinging shit back and forth about how bad of a person she is. continue throwing this topic around, it will only continue to divide the left, and bring together the right."

9/10/2008 2:20:33 PM

if I remember correctly Spear's sister was a horrible person a few months ago.

9/10/2008 7:47:30 PM

Quote :

"t's about the blind hypocrocy of the religious right. There are thousands of black unwed mothers that never got abortions, or forgiveness. In fact, they became the symbol of everything that's wrong with liberal America - no family values, God out of the school, etc. But now that it's one of their own, the response couldn't be any more different. Now she's become a symbol of how "good families" respond to a difficult situation. Unbeliveable ... Between the pregnancy and the underage drinking (it wasn't that hard to find photos of that), it's safe to say, at the very least, she didn't have adequate supervision."

Quote :

"t's about the blind hypocrocy of the religious right. There are thousands of black unwed mothers that never got abortions, or forgiveness. In fact, they became the symbol of everything that's wrong with liberal America - no family values, God out of the school, etc. But now that it's one of their own, the response couldn't be any more different. Now she's become a symbol of how "good families" respond to a difficult situation. Unbeliveable ... Between the pregnancy and the underage drinking (it wasn't that hard to find photos of that), it's safe to say, at the very least, she didn't have adequate supervision."

Quote :

"t's about the blind hypocrocy of the religious right. There are thousands of black unwed mothers that never got abortions, or forgiveness. In fact, they became the symbol of everything that's wrong with liberal America - no family values, God out of the school, etc. But now that it's one of their own, the response couldn't be any more different. Now she's become a symbol of how "good families" respond to a difficult situation. Unbeliveable ... Between the pregnancy and the underage drinking (it wasn't that hard to find photos of that), it's safe to say, at the very least, she didn't have adequate supervision."

Hypocritical Christians?? Say it ain't so!

I remember in high school all the sluts were the ones who went to Young Life that christian club. They would smoke cigarettes before the meetings and bragged about smuggling alcohol to the Young Life trip. Sure other groups of kids did the same; but i just found it ironic.

9/10/2008 8:02:10 PM

Quote :

"It's not an attack on Christianity, it's an attack on hypocracy - in the image Jesus himself."

9/10/2008 8:58:46 PM